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Hi;

 

We have 3 1/2 days in Hong Kong before flying to Singapore where we'll board the ship which goes from Singapore, to Thailand, Vietnam and ends in Hong Kong for 2 days again.

We will arrive at HKG on Tuesday Dec 27th., pre-cruise.

I have some questions concerning public transport and the Octopus card ( or the Tourist Pass).

 

Octopus card:

1/ Where can I buy it when I arrive? Right at the airport? Any MRT counter?

2/ Is there a specific kind of Octopus card I should buy?

3/ How much is it? Does the price include a refundable portion?

4/ What is the difference in price between a regular Octopus card and a Tourist day Pass?

5/ I found only the 1 day Tourist Day pass , is there a 3 days? Is it worth?

6/ Can I get a refund on the card when we are leaving at the airport?

 

I am so sorry to ask so many question. I am just one of those OCD planner :-)

 

Thanks for your help.

 

Stefanny

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I cannot answer all your questions, however the good news is that there is a desk at the airport staffed by real people. They are also efficient, pleasant and helpful people who can answer all your questions, sell you an appropriate card and they speak good English.

I say this with a touch of sarcasm , or perhaps sorrow, as here in Sydney we have less and less real people to help anyone at a station. Our version of the octopus card cannot even be bought at most stations. So we were ever so pleased to be able to get such good help when we were in Hong Kong earlier this year.

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Hi;

 

 

Octopus card:

1/ Where can I buy it when I arrive? Right at the airport? Any MRT counter? Counter at the airport.

2/ Is there a specific kind of Octopus card I should buy? If you are at retirement age, the card is cheaper.3/ How much is it? Does the price include a refundable portion? I don't remember how much we paid, but the unused potion is refundable.

Thanks for your help.

 

Stefanny

 

Karennella is right. The people at the round and visible airport counter where they sell the Octopus card are very helpful. The card can be used on all public transportation in Hong Kong except for the airport line (if I remember correctly). We used it extensively and still got money back at a subway station before we took a taxi to our cruise ship.

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The regular Octopus Card as well as the tourist day pass are sold at HKIA, just after clearing border control & customs, into a big hall - impossible to miss it with bilingual signage, before exiting into landside/arrival hall where folks in the hundreds stand & wait to greet, etc. Be sure to ask for & get a MTR system map and if you will have data access, download the free App before leaving home & install. Airport is fully WiFi equipped, free & all MTR system plaform have free WiFi for email & maps, Google (Baidu) searches, etc. and the Airport Express train (3 stops to town) too.

 

Octopus Card (non-tourist/day pass) can be used to buy essentials at 7-11's, local pharmacy chains for bottled water & tissues, toiletry needs, and meals & coffee at McDonalds/KFC and chain bakery stores all over town. You can use it to pay even for NP360 ride to see the Big Budda on Lantau Island - very easy to use and convenient, just hold it over/near the terminal (using NFC technologies, in place for like 20 years ... yes) so it will minimize your need to deal with local currencies, coins & changes, etc. A $50 deposit is included in the initial purchase (HKD) and is fully refunded (in local currency) when you leave, exchange & get your unused money back, quickly & easily at any MTR station or at the Airport when you leave or fly home/onward, etc. (no forms to fill out) - it never expire so you can keep it as well or pass that on as a nice & useful, practical gift if someone else is planning to visit anytime soon.

 

For a 3 to 4 days visit, I recommend putting about $100 USD into each person's card (that is roughly about $775 HKD) and you can add values or refill it at any station yourself at the automated kiosk or see the uniformed MTR staff at the windowed booth for help. Each time you swipe, it will displayed the unused balance & debited amount to keep you manage it - use it like your bank's debit card. Swipe the smart card once when using it for buses & ferries when boarding, but also exiting the train stations as those are based on stations/distance traveled - you can keep it inside your wallet or purse, just hover close enough near the sensor terminal for it to "beep" & pay.

 

There is also licensed foreign currency counter, rates aren't as good as those at banks & in-town in tourist area, so exchange as little as needed - or, use bank ATM all over (HSBC, etc.) to withdraw in local currency, the fees & rates are very competitive & better than FCE.

 

For a video orientation to arriving HKIA for first time visitor - here's one of mnay Youtube video, enjoy & feel free to view more -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-xtNU5zAWk

 

About the Octopus Card & HK transportation -

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Thanks mking8288. I was hoping that you are on this board to get more of your precous info. Our trip is coming soon and I am planning the final details.

 

I booked the Metro Winner Hotel on Nathan St and I realized that Airport Shuttle Bus A21 stops right in front of it. If we are not too tired after our long flight in ( 31 hours), I was thinking of catching it to go to the hotel.

Now, we are flying out to Singapore on Dec 31st. Our flight is at 10:00 AM with Tigeair.

How much time should I allow myself to get from the hotel to the airport with the A21 bus?

Do you know how long is the ride from the hotel (476 Nathan Rd) to HKIA?

 

Thanks

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For a 3 to 4 days visit, I recommend putting about $100 USD into each person's card (that is roughly about $775 HKD) and you can add values or refill it at any station yourself at the automated kiosk or see the uniformed MTR staff at the windowed booth for help.
I think one would have a hard time using up that much credit in 3-4 days, even allowing for two Airport Express journeys!
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... I booked the Metro Winner Hotel on Nathan St and I realized that Airport Shuttle Bus A21 stops right in front of it. If we are not too tired after our long flight in ( 31 hours), I was thinking of catching it to go to the hotel.

Now, we are flying out to Singapore on Dec 31st. Our flight is at 10:00 AM with Tigeair. How much time should I allow myself to get from the hotel to the airport with the A21 bus? Do you know how long is the ride from the hotel (476 Nathan Rd) to HKIA? Thanks

Nice find for a relatively new, boutique-sized hotel with good ratings, rooms looked clean, petite on space and typical of HK and it seemed to be a notch above "guest houses" & "tourist" class hotels catering to/booked for mainland China visitors - December being a busy holiday season, so I trust you got a reasonable rate for your stay. Falling hotel occupancy rates seemed to be leveled off & bottomed out, and holding steady with some of the political & civic protests/demonstrations settling down lately, it should be safe and the police presence will be noticed if and when there is tension in this small city of 7 million people. Check around town to see if you can find a better deal or just stay as is, in case they have vacancies and lowering their rates further.

 

Travel time from HKIA terminal to your Cityflyer's A21 stop should be 35 to 45 minutes or so, #9 or Man Ming Lane @ Nathan Road, it's about 2 short city blocks from the Metro on the same side of Nathan Road (folks drive and walk by keeping to the left, good old British legacy - be careful as Americans are used to being "right" or keeping to our "right", especially when using pedestrian crossing with traffic signals ... at buy intersections along Nathan Road, there are often underground passage to use to go over to the other side, i.e. if & when taking the A21 bus back to the airport) Here's the A21 schedule: (Fare is $33 HKD, exact change or Octopus Card ... less than $5 CDN or $4.25 USD per person each way)

http://www.nwstbus.com.hk/pda/routeinfo.aspx?intLangID=1&searchtype=1&routenumber=A21&route=A21&routetype=D&company=5

 

Cityflyer's website is linked below and there's a free APP for that, download - install & use it to get real-time info & guide, etc. *** Look for CitybusNWFB in Androids (and also on iOS for Apple devices) **** For MTR and Airport Express, look for MTR Mobile

http://www.nwstbus.com.hk/content/default.aspx?intLangID=1&section=tourist&page=default

 

For your return trip to HKIA, the A21 will be coming from the nearby Hung Hom train/bus terminal and nearest stop is across Nathan Road, about 2 short city blocks south toward Tsim Sha Tsui @ Public Square Street, also stop #9. This route is typically served by air-conditioned double-decker bus, for a nice view, sit upstairs by the front of the bus as you ride along (up or down) Nathan Road, the prime shopping area.

 

Once you landed & leave the border control/immigration area to head for luggage claim - take one of the free luggage carts for use, put your bags on it & you can go all the way to the AE train boarding area or the bus boarding area. Much easier than to use your own bag's rollers or spinners. This time-lapsed video showed the bus along Nathan Road but flew passed/skipped stop #9 (nobody got off by pressing the bell to signal the bus driver)

 

This one with a good step-by-step walking from inside the airport to the bus area.

 

This real-time video showing your Nathan Road stop at the 43:20 and the hotel, with a 7-11 across the street, about 50 ft. away @ 44:20

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJvRo-V7nHg

 

There should be Mannings pharmacy up on Nathan Road in the other direction from the hotel (chain of stores all over the city, another brand is Watson's) selling toiletry, bottled water, tissues & other essentials - where the Octopus Card is accepted, just like all the 7-11 stores. The nearest MTR station is Yau Ma Tei, closest entrance "C" at Man Ming Lane on the other side of Nathan Rd, nearest major intersection is Waterloo Road.

 

Last but not least, Tigerair - generally speaking, it's recommended to arrive at HKIA 2 hours before scheduled departure for international flights (8 AM in your case) and A21 bus ride is under 1 hour (being on an early Saturday morning, traffic should NOT be an issue) I would leave the hotel & get to the bus stop around 7 AM and you should be good - if you want to spend a little extra time inside the airport, after checking-in, clearing immigration & customs and security screening, allow a little extra time. Eat breakfast before leaving, local coffee shops & McDonalds will be open (otherwise, airport's food court has variety of choices and priced higher, naturally)

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I think one would have a hard time using up that much credit in 3-4 days, even allowing for two Airport Express journeys!

Yes and No - the amount can be less but $100 is with extra amount in reserve, so they don't need to find a place for refill. Depending on how they plan to travel, get around, places to see & things to buy with Octopus as their local "debit" card at 7-11, Mannings & Watsons, Starbucks, McDonalds for coffee, etc. ... not to mention, the Peak Tram or Ocean Park. "Cha chan teng" can be found all over the city and the three biggest comfort/fast food chains are Maxim’s, Café du Coral and Fairwood - for a real taste of HK with its westernized selections, like the baked pork chop on rice. http://www.octopus.com.hk/get-your-octopus/where-can-i-use-it/en/

 

They can charge the Octopus purchase directly to their credit card at HKIA's MTR kiosk or service counter, without worrying about local currencies at all the Points Of Sales in-town. For example, if the cruiseline allow passengers to board with bottled water, canned soda and even wine, they can conveniently buy them locally with the Octopus.

 

I nearly forgotten that they are Canadians, so $100 CDN (instead of USD) is about $600 HKD with today's interbank exchange rates - minus a $50 deposit/hold on the card, refundable also - they would have just about $550 for 4 days ... and, when they leave for home, all of it will be refunded.

 

Speaking of Airport Express, 2 of more travelers can get a discount using the Octopus Card, details & offers are on MTR website - and there are often promotions, sometimes partnering with airlines, like CX as the flagship carrier for HKG. However, their hotel isn't near any of the shuttle route's stop nearby, so it doesn't make sure to recommend that to save that 15 minutes - as they will lose any advantage in overall transit time - by transfering from the AE Station in Kowloon to the taxi line for the final segment in the connection.

 

If I recall correctly, they are flying into HKG pre-cruise for 4 days, sail out & return to Kai Tak Cruise Terminal again; then, stay (overnight) before flying out of HKIA (or, something similar in reverse) - plenty of opportunity to spend that "credit" on the Card, aside from transportation (and, some taxis are equipped for acceptance)

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Dear mking8288;

 

Thank you again for all the very helpful links and informations.

 

As the same time I have you on this thread, may I ask you some questions regarding the Peak tram?

I know it may be a tourist thing but I think we would like to go up to the Peak with the tram ( not the bus).

1/ How to go there from Yau Ma Tei MTR? All the way with the MTR? Or MTR then Star Ferry

2/ If all the way with MTR, which station do we get off? Then where do we go?

3/ If with MTR and Star Ferry, which station should we get off to catch the Star Ferry? From the ferry debarkation point, where to go to catch the tram?

4/ You mention that we can pay the Peak Tram with the Octopus card, right? Student discount? is it a single ride or round trip ticket?

5/ Going down: maybe we can take the bus. Which bus? Where does it go?

 

Thanks

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Before you leave for The Peak Tram, check the weather forecast - if it's cloudy and/or visibility is poor, go for Plan B or Plan C.

 

The easiest way is to walk to the MTR Station @ YMT, take the train toward Admiralty and Central, and get off at Central - follow for signage & follow to Exit J2, toward Garden Road (that's the lower terminus & it has a distinctive wall fountain, very easy to see & can't miss the crowd or the line of tourist, join them - late December will be packed with visitors from abroad for the holidays, so expect long lines) Weather will be cool & nice as HK's winter is typically mild (although many places aren't heated, unlike the Americas ... hotels will be fine) and comfortable to be outside & walk around, less humid as well.

Link for all the options are given here: http://www.thepeak.com.hk/en/2_1.asp

There is a PDF map/guide - download & save to smartphone/tablet/ipad and you can access it even when you have no WiFi access.

 

Yes, once you are at ticketing window - use the Octopus Card to buy your ticket, can be either one-way or round-trip (with a discount) plus the optional extra. Discount is given for seniors aged 65 & up or children 3 to 11, 2 and under ride free. Sorry, no student discount.

 

To take the #15 bus down to Central, just follow the signs to the bus terminal/taxi stand & PMB (mini-bus) station nearby - maybe 100 yards away at the bottom of the hill, looking away from the "views" of the city. The other side looks out to the tranquil & peaceful side of the island where many Expat & the rich & famous continue to live and enjoy the hilltop views at sunset.

 

Once back down at Central, you can walk toward the Star Ferry or perhaps ride the other famous landmark, HK's electric, double-decker trams (pay with your Octopus, of course - very cheap - you can go from one end of the island to the other for like 50 cents CDN) Or, ride the MTR to go elsewhere or walk to the waterfront for the famous Star Ferry.

 

Or, you can ride the PMB - Route No. 1 that also go to Central at Two IFC (Int'l Financial Center) - fare is actually a little cheaper than the air-conditioned bus, about $1.60 CDN.

Link is here: http://www.thepeak.com.hk/en/3_1.asp

 

A word of caution - be careful with riding a taxi, while 95% of the drivers are honeset & hard working and do not cheat, there are a few rotten "apples" out there charging absurd non-metered prices to unsuspecting visitors - when in doubt, use smartphone camera to take down the posted driver ID info (required by law to be inside the cab) and the taxi's license plate - call the police at 999 (not 911) or tell the driver to go to the nearest police station - get the printed receipt (required by law) and keep it as proof & file a police report - they take it very seriously & will track & find him/her - once they take your statement & gather all the facts, you won't be asked to stay behind & they will take over.

 

The busy cruise ship season for HK is going to be start soon for the Fall, check the KTCT's official website for any official updates and news about shuttle & transportation news before you set aside.

 

Other questions & what not, feel free to ask - I do read & check these threads & new posts from time-to-time; and, while on the go if & when I have good data access. Have fun planning & to start the final double-digit countdown.

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Thanks mking8288;

 

It is getting very close to the cruise and I like to plan all the details. We may not have time to visit and see everything on our list but that's OK, we hope to come back to HK again soon. Before ouur daughter was born, we were in HK 3 times in 2 years so surely, we will come back.

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Mking8288;

 

Can I ask you question about Macau?

 

1/ How to get there from Yau Ma Tei MTR?

2/ Whcih ferry or fast boat to take and from which pier?

3/ Buying tickets in advance?

4/ What to see and do in Macau if we don't want to gamble? Hop On Hop Off?

 

Thanks

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There's plenty to do & see in Macau for (I assume) a day trip, without stepping inside one of the mega casinos as it will feel just like being in Sin City here in the States, except for the mostly foreign language unfamiliar to most. Best to go on a weekday, not as crowded, given your limited time in HK and turbojet fares are a little cheaper (there's no need to go First Class for a 55 minute ride, coach class is fine & comfortable)

 

You will need to bring your passports, turn in your "arrival cards" when exiting HK immigration, fill out Macau's arrival card (while on the ship to save time as they are given out or ask) and clear immigration/custom there. On return, repeat & turn in their form & fill out HK's arrival card on the ship, etc. HK residents and frequent travelers will be using the e-channel for fast exit/entry but visitors will not - follow the signage. Comfortable walking shoes are a must.

 

There are turbojet services on the Kowloon side, between Jordan Road area & TST East, an easy taxi ride from hotel or YMT area, etc. but on HK island side, choices are better. There is no need to buy or book in advance, just go & buy the tickets - 2 different companies have frequent services, once every 15 minutes to/from Macau - links below: (with high speed turbojet, open seating - midship is best as it could get choppy once it cleared the busy harbor channel & get out to the Delta River and pickup more speed)

 

Take the MTR to Admiralty toward Central to Sheung Wan MTR Station, follow signs to Exit C for Macau Ferry Terminal, underground passage to walkaway - easily in about 10 minutes. There are food outlets inside if you wish to eat breakfast there first in the unlikely case you need to wait for the next available ferry.

 

Discover HK (official HK Gov't website - many useful info, including the inexpensive visitor's prepaid voice/data Sim card services) - http://www.discoverhongkong.com/us/plan-your-trip/traveller-info/transport/getting-here/by-ferry.jsp

From MTR to Ferry -

Turbojet - https://www.turbojet.com.hk/en/routing-sailing-schedule/hong-kong-macau/sailing-schedule-fares.aspx

What to see in Macau (history, landmarks & sights, without emphasis on casinos) -

Focus on churches, temple & the city's sights, sounds & food, a touch of its colonial Portugese history since the 1500's -

 

You've been to HK before, but for others possibly reading this - just a reminder to first-time visitors going there; always pack a 110 volts to 220-240 volts adapter (the small, black one with the round plug is most useful & also on cruise ships) for those dual-voltage charger (hotel's front desk might have them on loan or you might have to run out to buy, some of the upscale hotels do have the American style outlet/converter, but not always). Those thick & absorbent, pocket facial tissues ("Tempo" is one of the brand) are useful as they doubled as toilet tissues ... many find it useful as not all the public restrooms have the soft tissues. Long-haul flying, one's own personal headset or in-ear buds are indispensable.

 

Last but not least - around the hotel, there should be wet laundry - near the residential buildings & sometimes just a small storefront, ask the front desk clerk to point you as they charge inexpensively by the pounds or kg. - usually same day or even 4 hour services, folded and will help you pack & travel light for sailing with a suitcase almost full of clean clothes, freshly washed.

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Dear mking8288;

 

You are so amazing. I don't have to read any travel blog or guide, I just have to ask you!!!

 

Some questions regarding airport lounges ( on our way back). We will be traveling with Finneair Business class. I have heard somewhere on CC that since Finneair is part of the OneWorld alliance, we will have access to the Premium Plaza Lounge and the 4 Cathay Pacific Lounges.

Do the lounges all have showers? In your opinion, is there one better than another?

 

I think I have everything I need to plan my trip. Thank you very much for all the help.

Now I have to start finding some informations regarding Singapore.

 

Many thanks,

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AY is part of OneWorld Alliance and since you are flying J, you are (should) entitled to use either CX's lounge or Plaza Premium lounge at HKIA - see this chart/link, when you check in for your flight - you should get the "invitation" or ask - they will check your BP at reception. Have not use CX's lounge lately but from previous trip, the newest "Pier J" is very nice - as HKG is their base & flagship to showcase (here at JFK, we use BA's J lounge) ... unless there are unexpected delays, much rather not spend more time hanging out in the airport than necessary while in transit, like connecting long hauls. Unless you are restricted to Plaza lounge, I say go check it the catering there.

 

CX's Arrival Lounge (for in-transit) and 2 of the departure lounges have showers ... but definitely checkout their food while you are there, better than those in the Americas. https://www.oneworld.com/ffp/lounge-access

 

For a mid/late afternoon arrival during weekdays, after clearing immigration & customs with luggage, stopping to get some local currency and/or getting the Octopus cards, it will be past 4 PM to 4:30 PM - a metered taxi ride could be a smart move, maybe 45 minutes to 1 hour if traffic is heavy - most of that will be on the elevated highway into Kowloon West - exiting at YMT near Waterloo Road onto local streets for a few minutes to the hotel. Approximate fares + toll should run about $350 HKD +/- and the "loose" change for tipping, that convert roughly to about $65 to $70 CDN ... I believe.

 

Airport Express + a short taxi ride from Kowloon Station with the discount for AE should run about $40 CDN ... the nearest free shuttle stops are too far away. Regardless, there is free porter services at AE stations and you do know that you can do in-town airline check-in & get your BP issued. We almost did that once but staying further north on Nathan Road, 3 of us just took the taxi direct to the airport & got there in less than 45 minutes - out of convenience, didn't mind paying a little more.

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Dear mking8288;

 

If we decided to take AE to Kowloon then taxi to hotel:

1/ Is there a special rate for 3 people witht he AE?

2/ What discount are you talking about? I remembered that you mentioned that in one of my previous question.

 

Regards,

 

Stefanny

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Traveling on AE to/from HKIA, there are a variety of discounts available -

 

There are deals for Group of 2 and 4, and Group of 3 is $210 traveling together (instead of $270) one-way fare discount (all in HKD) - see link below.

 

There is also a 50% off AE fare discount if you connect/arrive by taxi (and, retain the printed taxi receipt for qualifying fare of $60 or above ... I think yours will be under this as it is a short trip from YMT area to Kowloon Station)

http://www.mtr.com.hk/en/customer/tickets/promotions_4persons.html

 

Flying CX - they have discounts (and, I think, you can pre-order AE tickets or vouchers and get them onboard your flight and/or on arrival, skipping the lines at the CS counter @MTR in the arrival hall area.

 

One of the large TA also offer discount, e-voucher via online purchase & pickup at the CS counter riding the AE, purchase same day or up to 1 month before travel & once used, valid for 1 month. Frequent flyers on Flyertalk verified & discussed about this and it is very good - leveraged bulk purchase discount.

https://www.klook.com/activity/71-airport-express-hong-kong/

 

Also, before leaving Montreal for the trip, check the official Discover Hong Kong website as they might be running seasonal discounts & offers as well ... still a few months to go. A little bit more Wiki on MTR@HK as more lines/new stations are being added, will be open by 2017 - south side of the island, amazing engineering deep under/thru the mountains.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airport_Express_(MTR)

 

P.S. About to update/comment - shortly - on another post about transportation @KTCT, confirmed with our "local" sources that bus services are improving for passengers and also the nearby scenic ferry terminal to cross the harbor with free shuttle to the pier is now available for cruise ships.

 

Part of the key to easy travel is to pack light, our extended families either take a 22" carry-on rollers (sometimes checked) plus a cabin bag or for long oversea trips, a 25" expandable carry-on plus a 20" to 22" carry-on; and a folded duffle bag for "extras" on the return - making it easy to use mass transit, ride shuttles & buses, etc. ... plan ahead & do laundry as needed.

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Dear mking8288;

 

I think I have everything I need for a successful trip.

Here what I have planned, let me know if I am missing anything:

 

Arrival at HKIA.

Buy Octopus card for 3 people.

If tired, just get a cab

If not too tired, take the AE to Kowloon MTR, take a txi from MTR to hotel Metro Winner. ( Group rate for 3 with AE).

 

Things to do:

Peak Tram

Star Ferry

Light show

Shopping and eat

Macau if time allows

Big Buddha ( if weather is good)

 

Leaving to Singapore on Dec 31st, 7:00AM

Take taxi from Metro Winner to Kowloon MTR.

Use Tigeair In Town checkin , check luggage , take AE to HKIA

 

Cruise ship comes back to Hong Kong Jan 13rd,

Sunday morning Jan 15th, around 9:00AM

Take taxi or ship shuttle to Kowloon MTR , use In Town check in Finneair.

If weather permits, take carry-on to Lantau Big Buddha. Use locker in basement of shopping mall

If weather not favorable, leave carry-on at Kowloon Left luggage and stay in town.

Take AE or MTR to HKIA, no later than 10:00PM.

If go to airport early, use Business lounge to shower and rest

 

What do you think?

Did I forget anything?

I think I got the part regarding the AE from Kowloon MTR. I will use it twice, once to fly to Singapore onDec 31st. Another time to fly home with Finneair.

 

Thanks for being so detailed and patient.

You have been a great help.

 

Stefanny

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KLook has an octopus you can get pre loaded tourist octopus card that you can pre order and pick up at the airport on arrival. It is USD 13 with HKD50 pre loaded onto it.

 

I have never heard of Klook before. I will go and have a look at their website.

Thanks for the info.

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