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Old July 7th, 2013, 09:32 PM
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I agree with Chairsin. Most of the time you can get into the smaller less travelled ports.
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Old July 8th, 2013, 09:23 AM
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I will throw in my 2 cents worth too. Using an un scientific approach, we arrive at my purely subjective opinion. We sailed on the Spirit in the Med in mid October. The outdoor spaces were adequate for the not so warm changeable weather at that time of year. The indoor spaces, especially the Observation Lounge, were most welcome and enjoyable. The weak spot in the little sisters has always been the pool, sundeck areas. The pool is a total afterthought down between the twin funnels. The droning noise of the diesels at this location plus the lack of sunlight and lack of any view makes the pool area (again, IMHO) completely useless. On sunny, warm days, there was competition for decent outdoor seating. It was nearly a full passenger load so there is only barely adequate outdoor seating for everyone. The beautiful pictures posted show the forward hot tub. Usually private but when you are seated or in the tub, the only view is the steel bulkheading of the bow area. To have any view at all in this area you must stand. Also, if there is no breeze, it can get very warm in this steel basin. Now, we had a great cruise. As good food and service as we have had anywhere. If we were doing any area with mixed weather, we would not hesitate to sail on the Spirit again. However, we would not sail Spirit in the Caribbean for all the reasons just expressed. SeaDream is by far the better choice for outside pool, lounging, bar areas. Again, just my humble opinion-not trying to start a war. With that said, we would not sail SeaDream in the Med or any other variable to cool weather location because the indoor spaces on SeaDream are very limited compared to the Spirit. So, I am sure this is all clear as mud. For us it is SeaDream in the Caribbean, Seabourn for Europe.
We are sailing the Pride in Sept around the British Isles, and SeaDream I in Dec in Costa Rica. So it appears I have made the best choices. Rather smart of me, wasn't it?
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Old July 8th, 2013, 09:32 AM
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Wkindstar is a very good product but it is not Seabourn. For one thing it is not all inclusive so you will pay for every drink and glass of wine. Also tips are not included. Seabourn is special in the way passengers and crew relate to one another. Remember Windstar bought the ships, not Seabourn's policies. That said, I'ms sure it will be a very nice experience.
I'm very fond of Windstar, and I've never equated an alcohol-included policy with luxury (having stayed in some dreadful all-inclusive land resorts). Having said that, IMO Windstar is not on the same level of cabin, service and food as Seabourn. That difference was usually reflected in a lower cruise fare on Windstar. However, the pricing for the Windstar Pride next year is at Seabourn levels, which makes no sense. I was planning to try the Windstar Pride next May to contrast it with our upcoming Seabourn Pride sailing this September. But not at those prices.
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Old July 8th, 2013, 11:26 AM
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Over quite a few years, we sailed almost 100 nights on Windstar, but have not sailed on them since 2003. When we started sailing on the line, it really was like sailing on your own private yacht in terms of service, quality of food, lack of policy regarding bringing alcohol onboard, etc. Of course, the prices were higher and the costs were justified by the product. By 2003, there had been major changes and, although the service continued to be excellent and we loved the small ships, everything else had changed dramatically and it was no longer our cruise line of choice.

In many ways, SeaDream was close to the "old" Windstar. However, we like longer itineraries that do not have to be booked as back to back cruises. SeaDream might be moving that direction for some cruises. Another SeaDream cruise could be in our future plans.

We also loved our cruise on the Seabourn Odyssey. Once we have sailed on the smaller Seabourn ships at least one more time, if the right itinerary comes up, we will happily book another cruise on one of the larger Seabourn ships.

wripro, Once there are more itineraries/dates loaded, we plan on booking another cruise on either the Spirit or the Legend. We already have our deposit in place. Our next two cruises are already booked on other lines as they are "family" cruises and our family, including grandchildren, and the smaller Seabourn ships are not a good match.

T&C, you will have a great cruise!
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Old July 8th, 2013, 12:57 PM
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CommodoreDave,

I do not understand Windstar's pricing either. Pay more, get less!
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Old July 8th, 2013, 01:00 PM
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I do not understand Windstar's pricing either. Pay more, get less!
It may be a cynical attempt to capitalise on Seabourn cruisers who want to stay with the triplets and who do not realise that they will get less.
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Old July 8th, 2013, 01:34 PM
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CommodoreDave,

I do not understand Windstar's pricing either. Pay more, get less!

Or looking at it another way it tells us what fantastic value Seabourn is and it just might be a bit too cheap at the moment,so get booking everyone,it's a no brainer.
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Old July 8th, 2013, 01:51 PM
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CommodoreDave,

I do not understand Windstar's pricing either. Pay more, get less!
Sounds similar to Regent/Oceania.
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Judging by comments here and on the Windstar board, I think we will see Windstar eventually reduce pricing on the Pride.
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Judging by comments here and on the Windstar board, I think we will see Windstar eventually reduce pricing on the Pride.
Yes Dave,cruisers are a lot more savvy about deals these days.
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Windstar probably needs those high fares to pay for the necessary renovations to these ships.
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Windstar probably needs those high fares to pay for the necessary renovations to these ships.
But will they get them?
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Here's the e-mail I just got (presumably because I've cruised on Windstar in the past):

http://www.windstarcruises.com/new-s...ntent=RightCTA
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