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Going to start my Dawn review for the April 6th Western Caribbean sailing of the NCL Dawn.

 

Going to do it in stages over the weekend and be as detailed as possible and compare the NCL product to the Carnival product we have experienced before. (plus give a insight to the Garden Villa/suite experience from an inside cabin/occasional balcony point of view)

 

I have a copy of every Freestyle Daily from the cruise, so if anybody has any other questions to ask, after the review, feel free to pipe in and I'll try to check times or whatever from the daily's for you.

 

And with that, please bear with me, as I try to lay this out....

 

Let's get this started.

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NCL Dawn

April 6, 2014 sailing

14000 Garden Villa (kitchen GV)

Western Caribbean

Roatan - been once before in 2011

Belize - been once before in 2011

Costa Maya - scheduled once Sept. 8, 2007 - hit by hurricane a week before our cruise

Cozumel - been 5 times - loved every time

 

This cruise was our (DW and I) first experience with NCL. (and first suite experience)

 

We prefer to cruise insides with an occasional well priced balcony, so we can cruise at least twice a year, versus splurging for a more expensive cabin, once a year or less. (thus the 15th month gap in cruising for this one cruise, not our choice.)

 

The choice of NCL and the Garden Villa were my Parents, since we were cruising to celebrate their 50th, a 45th and 40th anniversary.

 

So we were along for the ride and getting to experience what NCL has to offer (compared to Carnival) and try the "suite life".

 

Profiles

Me - 48 years old - Male - 12 previous Carnival cruises

DW - 43 years old - 15 previous Carnival cruises

In the GV with us..

Parents - mid 70's - cruise for their 50th anniversary - Platinum with NCL, many HAL and a couple of Carnival cruises.

Brother's family - early 40's with 4 year old twins - few NCL cruises and a couple of Carnival cruises.

(yes we had 8 in the GV. )

 

Also in suites on deck 12 - (12006, 12008 and 12026)

Sister and BIL - 40's - 1 NCL cruise

Aunt and Uncle - late 60's - celebrating their 45th anniversary - 1 Disney cruise

Aunt and Uncle - early 60's - celebrating their 40th anniversary - 1 NCL and 1 Carnival cruise

 

Hope that helps you understand the players. :)

 

Now to the review.

 

We drove to Tampa Saturday morning. (the other 12 in our group flew in)

Brother booked us all at the Embassy Suites Airport/Westshore.

 

Great location right across the street from large Westshore Mall, with movies, etc..

Drug stores, fast food, etc.. all a walk or very short drive around the corner.

Very nice hotel with a good evening welcome event and great morning buffett.

Super easy drive to pier in the morning.

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Arrived at channelside terminal at 11AM.

Pulled in to drop off bags. (somewhat of a cluster#$% with people still trying to leave and tons arriving, but not the worst I've seen.)

Headed back across the street to park for the week.

Super easy.

Found a spot on the end, right by exit, so easy to find coming back.

 

Back to the terminal, through security, quick check in and shown the way to VIP (concierge) Lounge. (literally 15 minutes total from escalator to VIP lounge)

The lounge was already almost filled to capacity. (so clearly suite guest like to arrive early too. ;) )

 

Was immediately greeted by John D'souza, the concierge.

He explained that they did not have the room cards for either Garden Villa ready, due to a programming problem.

So John handed me the liquor order form and his card, showed us the drinks and snacks and asked us to have a seat and somebody would be with us very soon with our room keys.

We were in no hurry, as the rest of our group was taking a shuttle from the hotel at 11AM and they had not yet arrived at 11:30.

 

At this point, all of the other suite guests got up and were escorted on the Dawn, before they began embarkation.

Caesar our butler came over about this time and introduced himself (and gave us his card) and said he would either escort us onboard when our cards arrived or see us in the cabin, shortly after.

An NCL person came by and handed DW and I our room cards. (with some confusion, with 3 William's out of the 7 booked in the cabin)

 

Simultaneously, the rest of our group had arrived and were checking in across the terminal.

They all come over to the VIP area and have a seat.

John introduces himself to everyone and explains the boarding procedure, etc..

At this point John's assistant comes over and hands everyone their room cards, including giving us a 2nd set of cards.

When I showed John our two sets of room cards, they promptly had a huddle, took everyone's cards back and went to redo them again. (was somewhat comical at this point)

John said that once we set sail, he would get a blank key card for the 3 groups on deck 12, to be able to access the Garden Villa. (very nice of him, but would result in more room cards later)

 

We all get escorted onboard, first to deck 12, to drop those bags off, then to the GV to drop our bags off, then down to Cagney's for lunch.

Since we were 14, we had to sit in the Star Bar to wait for a couple of tables.

 

Somehow, the number got mixed up and they only made tables for 12, so DW and I volunteered out and headed up to the GV to take pictures, videos and explore, before everybody else got back from lunch.

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Have to say that for a cruise ship cabin/suite, the Garden Villa is borderline ridiculous.

 

First the main living area.

 

Nice having a full wall view of the pool area. (but I would move the TV to the right wall, instead of in the center of the view)

The desk with laptop overlooked the pool view nicely.

(there was also a power strip with 6 outlets behind the desk that we used as an, i-phone,

i-pad, i-pod charging station all week.)

The buffet over by the dining room table had menus for all the specialty restaurants, plus Cagney's menus for all 3 meals.

The piano on the other side of the table, basically became an oversized coffee table for the week.

Seating for 6 at the dining table.

Two barrel chairs, two swivel chairs and a long sofa.

There was a refrigerator in a corner cabinet with drink glasses above.

(6 refrigerators total in the entire Garden Villa 14000)

 

Right behind that was the kitchen.

With a paper towel dispenser, hand wash sink and trash can behind the door.

Straight in the door was a microwave up on a shelf.

Below the microwave was the coffee machine, assortment of coffee and tea pods and two refrigerators, and a storage cabinet full of extra sodas and water.

Next to that was another larger sink.

Above the sink was two cabinets of coffee cups and mugs and to the right of that was two cabinets of various drink glasses (wine, martini, pint, etc..) and a shaker and a few other bartending supplies.

 

We asked Caesar and had a huge professional blender delivered. (plus pina colada, strawberry daiquiri, and margarita mixers. Caesar took the initiative and also brought banana and rum runner mixers.)

Our 6 free bottles of liquor were Tequila, Kahlua, Vodka, Rum, Rum and Rum...

On a riser by the door was a large cooler filled with ice all day.

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Second the individual cabins/bedrooms.

 

The front, master room, with the huge bathroom.

You walked in and there was a large walk in closet on the left that connected to the bathroom.

Straight ahead was the sleeping area.

Pretty basic cabin with king size bed and floor to ceiling windows across the entire room.

Refrigerator and flat screen on the wall.

To the left was another entrance to the huge bathroom.

The Bathroom had a large triangular whirlpool tub with a small flat screen TV above it, a double vanity sink, a separate toilet closet and a large shower stall with multiple shower heads.

 

The middle cabin had the most living space, but no walk in closet or large bathroom the other 2 rooms had.

You walked in and immediately to the left was a dual sided closet.

Just past that was a queen size bed and dining table for four.

(again with the entire wall being floor to ceiling windows.)

Again a refrigerator and flat screen TV. (all 4 TVs in the GV have DVD players built in and the external inputs were there, but no way to switch to them)

Back on the opposite side of the closet was a skinny hallway with the closet on the left and a bunch of cabinets to the right.

Just past that was a vanity area, with table top to ceiling mirror and a hair dryer set there. (the only outlet in the cabin was here also)

To the right of the vanity was the bathroom entrance.

Toilet closet to the left.

Shower/tub to the right. (incredibly poorly designed. Uneven tub bottom, which made it difficult to shower the first couple of days when the ship was rocking. Poorly lit. And whoever thought sliding glass doors on a cruise ship was a good idea, hopefully got fired.)

Sink area straight ahead.

Great bunch of Elemis products constantly resupplied as used. (or squirreled for the trip home.)

 

The 3rd cabin was pretty close to the main room, except the whirlpool tub was smaller and the bedroom had a sliding glass door directly to the outdoor area.

Closets in the 1st and 3rd rooms were so big, they put a twin bed - full time- in the closet of the 3rd for my Nephew and still had plenty of room to walk around the bed, inside the closet. (honestly, I could have been happy with either of those closets for a cabin.)

They set up another twin in front of the sliding glass door for my Niece.

 

I can't imagine anyone short of Rose and all her steamer trunks on the Titanic, would not have way too much space for all of their things in any of the 3 individual rooms.

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Enjoying your review. Thank you! Hope you don't get flamed once you start comparing, as others did to my recent Princess/NCL review.

 

I'm sure some suite and or NCL cheerleaders might get on me for some of my views.

 

(I always love when people express a valid OPINION in a review, like my Cagney experience, and then a bunch of people chime in, how they can't imagine anyone ever got a bad steak at Cagney's, because they personally never have.?!?!?)

 

But I'm just trying to lay out my honest opinions about MY experience.

For anyone with similar experience or views to take whatever they want from it.

 

Just like I sort through the tons of reviews on these boards.

 

I throw out the reviews from obvious cheerleaders who see no faults, with anything on their line of choice and I throw out reviews from the extraordinarily negative folks, who clearly could never be pleased.

 

I hope everyone can take a little something from my review that helps them plan an upcoming NCL. (or Carnival cruise)

 

Bill

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Looking forward to more of your review! DH and I are taking our first NCL cruise in April 2015. We are both platinum on Carnival, and have sailed once on Disney, so we're looking forward to something different. We won't be in a suite, though. Those suites look amazing! Lucky you!!

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Next the outdoor spaces.

 

From the main living area, there is a hallway with the 3 rooms on the left and two different entrance doors to the GV on the right.

At the end of the hall is a door to the outside area.

On the wall just before the door is some dials which control the volume and a choice of six channels of music to be piped to speakers outside. (One was classical, one jazz, one pop, one oldies, etc... I would guess the same music piped in some of the specialty restaurants, venues, maybe.)

 

As soon as you go outside, there is a table for 8 on the left under a vinyl cover.

Just past that on the left was another table with 4 chairs.

Straight ahead was the covered hot tub.

Past that was a door that lead directly to the basketball court.

(you had to keep it locked or anybody could walk in from the other side)

To the right of the door was the sauna.

To the right of the sauna was a couple of plush lounge chairs.

To the right of that was a covered gazebo area with two benches and a pile of 10 or so pool towels rolled and waiting.

 

Directly to the left of the door to the inside is the stairwell to the rooftop lounge area.

I would guess the size of 2 or 3 tennis courts. (the entire roof of the entire interior of the Garden Villa.)

One negative was, if anybody was quietly walking up there, it sounded like a herd of elephants in the rooms below.

The roof area was divided into 3 sections, by wind breaks around the center section.

There was one circular lounger for two. (but the cover for it was broken off)

5 or 6 plush loungers and a couple of plush chairs. (also a couple of small tables)

 

All the way up front you had the same view of the pool as the living area below.

From the side you had a great view of the ocean. (or the Epic when in port ;) )

 

Outside the GV was the elevator lobby. (central bank of 4 mid ship elevators)

You had to use your room card in a reader above the floor buttons, to get it to access the 14th floor. (more on how bad this was all week, later)

There was also a card coded door on the stairs up from Cagney's, directly below the GV.

 

In the elevator lobby was a toilet and sink off to the side for guests, so they wouldn't have to cut through anyone's cabin while visiting.

 

That about covers the cabin....

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Allright.

 

Of to catch a movie and some dinner.

 

So I'll be back tonight to start the actual day to day stuff.

 

Hope everyone is enjoying so far....

 

Wish I had a way to post some of the pictures I took throughout the cruise.

 

Maybe I'll figure something out before I finish.

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Thank you for a nice start to your review. Like that you have the option to play music in the outdoor space.

Doubt that we will ever be in the GV, so I am living vicariously through this review.

Looking forward to reading more. Hope you enjoy the movie.

 

 

 

~Robin

Norwegian Breakaway July 2014

Carnival Miracle 2010

Carnival Legend 2006

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Thank you for a nice start to your review. Like that you have the option to play music in the outdoor space.

Doubt that we will ever be in the GV, so I am living vicariously through this review.

Looking forward to reading more. Hope you enjoy the movie.

 

 

We would have NEVER probably stayed in a suite, let alone the GV.

 

But that was what the folks wanted and for their 50th they got it.

 

Definitely an incredible space.

 

And as for the movie, anybody who hasn't Captain America : Winter Soldier, GREAT spy/action movie.

More James Bond than Avengers...

 

Glad I was able to catch up, since it came out the weekend we sailed and we couldn't make it to the theater the night before the cruise and were driving home the 2nd weekend.

 

Now back to your regularily scheduled review. :D

 

Bill

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Everybody came back to the cabin and met Caesar our Butler and requested a few things.

(sodas, waters, a few extra pillows, etc.)

The entire group toured the Garden Villa mingled for a few minutes.

 

By now it was almost 3:15 and time the Daily's said to be at the Muster Drill.

Now the 8 of us in the Garden Villa, our Muster Station was outside on Deck 6.

The 6 in suites on Deck 12, their Muster Station was in the Stardust main theater.

 

The Muster Drill (or better description - clusterf%*#)

 

We arrived just in time.

There was already two rows of people, lined up, back against the wall, directly in front of the previous row. (same procedure as about half our Carnival cruises)

They made our group separate and start the 3rd row at the opposite end of the muster area.

We stood there for 15 minutes or so, as two more rows of people arrived to have four rows of people, with a fifth starting.

Thus far, not a word from any of the 3-4 crew there. (other than "back up", "closer together".)

At 3:30 one of the crew finally begins demonstrating how to use the life jacket. (seemed more like he was stalling, as everyone lined up was getting restless.)

 

By this time my elderly Mom was in pain and doubled over from standing for so long.

Another, even older Gentleman with a cane, could no longer stand, yet when the crew was asked, we were told they had to remain in place until the over the air announcements were made and we were released.

If it was just me and my Brother's family I would have just been "this sucks", but for those who can't stand for long, it was too much.

Me and the Gentleman's wife said screw that and I took them inside and had them sit on one of those window benches. I told them if anybody bothered them to not move and have them come get me.

Having elderly passengers stand, outside for more than 10-15 minutes is ridiculous to me.

At least on our Carnival cruises, they allow elderly passengers to go to one of the seated muster stations (lounge, theater, dining room), to receive their instructions, without having to stand the entire time.

The NCL staff refused to even discuss any options.

Just repeatedly saying we had to remain standing until the drill was over.

 

By this point, we had been standing, 4-5 deep, packed against each other for 30 minutes and still no announcements.

No explanations from the crew there.

One amusing bit happened here, as a couple apparently had barely made the cruise, came right up the gangway and were forced into line, right in front, with all their bags in tow.

 

Finally the over the air announcements came and the crew let everyone go. (40-45 minutes finally)

 

Have to say that NCL dropped the ball with a poorly trained staff manning the muster station and if indeed it is NCL's policy that elderly and impaired people must just line up and stand for whatever the duration of the muster drill is, then I definitely give the edge in muster drills to Carnival, big time. (hopefully it was just isolated, poorly trained staff)

 

In 12 Muster drills on Carnival, we only had one last more than 15-20 minutes and the crew there was understanding and tried to engage the passengers and keep us from getting restless. (plus they wisely allow the elderly to go to a seated muster station)

Instead the NCL crew just kept barking "get back", "backup", "don't move" at the people lined up.

I was just thankful it was April and only the mid 80's that Sunday.

 

So needless to say, this wasn't the best way to start a cruise.

But not the end of the world either.

 

Everybody went back to their cabins and we proceeded to call Caesar to have dinner delivered to the GV the first night.

More GV exploration until dinner arrived.

 

Caesar was great with dinner and wisely anticipated bringing a couple of extra plates of lobsters. (nothing was left except a pile of dirty dishes after dinner)

 

After dinner everybody went their own way.

Some to the Welcome Aboard show, some the spa raffle, some to Karaoke.

 

Have to say the beds were very comfortable, as were the standard pillows. (we didn't get our pillows requested through pre-cruise concierge or upon boarding, until the 2nd night)

 

Had our Freestyle Daily and a note about turning our clocks back an hour on the bed and of course the obligatory towel animal.

 

Here ends embarkation day.

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Enjoying your review. Thank you! Hope you don't get flamed once you start comparing, as others did to my recent Princess/NCL review.

 

 

Didn't you read the bylaws everyone has to get flamed at least once in Cruise critic? Haha.

 

Mine was early and I got flamed well. I shrugged it off and stuck around. :)

 

 

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Thank you for a nice start to your review. Like that you have the option to play music in the outdoor space.

Doubt that we will ever be in the GV, so I am living vicariously through this review.

 

The price of staying in the garden villa is quite reasonable when you split the cost between 6-8 people. The downside is sharing your cabin with 4-6 people.

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I'm sure some suite and or NCL cheerleaders might get on me for some of my views.

 

(I always love when people express a valid OPINION in a review, like my Cagney experience, and then a bunch of people chime in, how they can't imagine anyone ever got a bad steak at Cagney's, because they personally never have.?!?!?)

 

But I'm just trying to lay out my honest opinions about MY experience.

For anyone with similar experience or views to take whatever they want from it.

 

Just like I sort through the tons of reviews on these boards.

 

I throw out the reviews from obvious cheerleaders who see no faults, with anything on their line of choice and I throw out reviews from the extraordinarily negative folks, who clearly could never be pleased.

 

I hope everyone can take a little something from my review that helps them plan an upcoming NCL. (or Carnival cruise)

 

Bill

 

 

I could be called a cheerleader. But as I expressed all of my positives I had 2 big negatives I chose not to share in detail. The first I touched on. We had an awful butler. There was not a need to elaborate here because our cruise was his last. The other issue was shared with friends. It had to do with our excursion after the cruise pre airport. You probably would have thrown out mine but I really felt I was objective.

 

I can read people pretty well and don't think I will be flaming your honest opinion.

 

 

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One comment I would like to make is about the muster drill. We were on the Breakaway in March and were seated in the theatre so we never had to stand and Scooter the asst cruise director was cheerful and funny and made the time pass quickly. So I don't think what happened to u was an NCL ritual. With that said enjoying your review and looking forward to the rest.

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One more before bed....

 

Day 2 - Sea Day

 

OK, I'll start with, since my first real job, back in the mid 80's, every job I have had, has either been overnight 3rd shift, or very early AM starting shifts. (like between 2 and 5AM starts)

When I go on vacation, I can't just shift into sleeping in until 8AM mode.

So every cruise I get up at 4-5AM and wander the ship while its quiet and explore what I didn't get to see yet.

 

I was very excited to see NCL offered the Blue Lagoon, with food, 24 hours.

Versus Carnival, which only offered Pizza 24 hours, and in the wee hours, they'd have to start one from scratch and completely bake, so it was 25-30 minutes.

 

So I went to the Blue Lagoon after exploring for a bit.

 

Waited at the hostess station for a minute. (as the sign said, please wait to be seated.)

2 or 3 workers milling about, and clearly saw me, but no one came over.

 

So I walked in and looked about.

 

Finally one guy comes over and asks what I needed.

Told him I was looking for food.?!?!?!

He responded with " we aren't open at this hour. Here is the room service menu. If you want anything, it will take 30-45 minutes."

So I ruined his morning by ordering a burger.

 

I'm guessing that spiel usually sends people away and the servers don't have to bother with serving anyone in the wee hours. (saw it happen once while I waited for my burger to arrive.)

 

Burger arrived in about 25 minutes and it was very well prepared and tasty.

 

Would be nice if NCL would advertise the hours of each meal in the Blue Lagoon and that in the wee hours, it is merely them getting room service delivered to the restaurant.

Don't just put in the Daily's open 24 hours.

(luckily I had read that on these boards, so I was prepared. Just stunk the way the server handled it.)

 

Well after the crew at the muster drill and the server at the Blue Lagoon, my opinion of the NCL crew this early on,(12-13 hours in) was pretty low. (luckily they were not, the standard)

 

I swung by the buffet on the way back to the cabin and picked up DW some chocolate muffins. (which she LOVED, but sadly were never offered again throughout the cruise)

 

We hung around the cabin enjoying the view of the water. (flying by, as we were going as fast I have ever seen on a cruise, to make Roatan, the furthest port, on time I guess.)

 

 

 

Then we headed down to the buffet for breakfast.

 

DW had pancakes or french toast all week. (not an egg fan)

I tried a little bit of everything.

 

Now one thing I have to say that I liked about the NCL Buffet over Carnival.

On Carnival, they rotate the offerings throughout the cruise.

For instance.

Monday will be pancakes, small potatoes, and one kind of eggs. (besides the standard scrambled and made to order omelets)

Tuesday will be french toast, shredded potatoes and a different egg.

and so on and so on all week.

 

On NCL they had all of the various syrup based choices, various potatoes, and various eggs.

But they offered them all, every day, letting you choose what you wanted each day, versus rotating the days they were offered, for variety.

 

The quality of the scrambled eggs was much better prepared than Carnival. (never saw runny eggs all cruise. Just cold, one morning.)

 

Now NCL could use somebody who knows how to prepare bacon.;)

The entire cruise the bacon was either burnt or not finished. (at every venue)

And I don't know how they prepare it, but you could also never grab a single piece (or even 2 or 3) of bacon. It was always mashed into clumps of 10 or so.

 

NCL could also find someone who knows how to prepare a simple biscuit.

I grabbed a biscuit at breakfast and lunch each day and was disappointed each and every time, with a hockey puck consistency biscuit. (for some reason the hamburger buns at all venues were the opposite and disintegrated, all week. :confused:)

 

Another cardinal sin, to DW, born and raised in the South, was no tea available with breakfast. (if you don't like coffee or juice, you are stuck with plain water.)

Tea was a 24 hour offering at the drink stations on Carnival. (which I guess with the majority of their fleet sailing out of Charleston, Jacksonville, Tampa, Port Canaveral, Ft. Lauderdale, Miami, New Orleans and Galveston, all in the south, they know what their customers want.)

 

Other than those items and the soft serve, everything else at the buffet was extremely good and consistently prepared every day.

 

The staff at the buffet was extremely nice and helpful every time we went.

The layout and flow of the buffet was also extremely good.

 

I really liked the children's buffet area with the low pickup area and child sized seats.

Very nice idea and well executed.

Kudos to NCL...

 

Only found the buffet full on one sea day at lunch. (to be expected)

Other than that, we easily found a table within a short walk every time.

 

Also like how NCL kept the napkin wrapped silverware in the condiment caddy on every table, versus having to carry it from the buffet with your food, as Carnival does it. (especially with no trays on either line)

 

And the hand sanitizers everywhere throughout the buffet, plus the girls with squirt bottles of sanitizer at every entrance, was extremely nice.

 

So overall the buffet experience on NCL was very, very, very good.

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Thanks so much for your review. The Garden Villa sounds amazing. Usually everything is top notch for high end suite patrons so I'm shocked at your muster drill experience. We have had ours in restaurants or the theater for each NCL cruise except the Pride of America in Hawaii where our experience was exactly like yours. Standing out in the heat in crammed lines was ridiculous. I hope you let Norwegian know about your experience.

 

I drink iced tea in the morning. If I go to the buffet, I make my own with tea bags, hot water and lots of ice cubes. I'll admit, I'm not a big buffet fan mainly because of the seating difficulties at peak times. Hopefully you started using Cagney's and your butler for breakfast for the rest of the cruise. Cagney's had iced tea for me on my Jade cruise in March and the bacon and scrambled eggs were MUCH better than in the buffet.

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You were aware you could enjoy breakfast and lunch in Cagney's everyday? They have a great menu and will get you anything that is not listed on the menu. Can't imagine fighting my way thru the buffet everyday when Cagney's is available. Different strokes for different folks I guess.

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