Updated Local Dominica News Article on Summit Incident

Welcome to Cruise Critic! If you'd like to participate on our forums by joining in the conversation, please Register Now! Be sure to visit our FAMOUS Roll Call forums, where you can meet other cruisers sailing with you and share a tour or shore excursion and SAVE MONEY!

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
All times are GMT -4.
The time now is 11:13 PM.
#61
Baie dÚrfe QC
7,721 Posts
Joined Nov 2004
Originally posted by jacketwatch
So are you this instigating in person as you are on the web.
I like a debate yes and happen to enjoy Dominica.
#62
Suburb of Chicago
1,846 Posts
Joined Jan 2006
Originally posted by A Sixth?
I like a debate yes and happen to enjoy Dominica.
\
You kidding? i was born in the morning but not this morning. You like to argue and bait. When you want to see someone elses POV and do so respectfully then we can debate. Have a nice day.
Expand Signature
Collapse Signature
2002 RCL Splendour of the Seas, western Med.
2003 CCL Destiny, so. Caribbean
2005 Sapphire Princess, Alaska
2006 Tahitian Princess, French Polynesia
2007 Star Princess, the Baltic
2008 RCL Adventure of the Seas, so. Caribbean
2009 Island Princess, Panama canal full transit
2009 CCL Triumph, NE/Canada.
2011 Celebrity Constellation, Holy land
2012 Celebrity Equinox eastern Med.
2014 CCL Legend, western Caribbean.
2014 Diamond Princess, Japan
2015 NCL Getaway, eastern Caribbean.
2015 Oasis of the Seas western Caribbean
2016 Sapphire Princess southeast Asia.
#63
Arlington, Texas
1,304 Posts
Joined Feb 2009
Originally posted by jacketwatch
So are you this instigating in person as you are on the web.
Really?! I don't find A Sixth? instigating at all. If anything, he provides good thought provoking commentary. Isn't that what this forum is all about?
Perhaps I'm an instigator too because I find the actions of the two individuals to be a black eye on the human race as a whole...gay/straight/or indifferent!
Expand Signature
Collapse Signature
Eclipse Slide Show...http://tripwow.tripadvisor.com/tripw...are=1&cs=&lb=1

Disney: Dream - August 15-18, 2013; Fantasy - March 9-16, 2013; Magic - July 25, 2009, May 27, 2006 & June 9, 2000
Celebrity: Summit - December 19-26, 2015; Solstice - May 6-15, 2013; Eclipse - March 10-17, 2012; Infinity - July 16, 2010; Century - January 16, 2010 & April 12-19, 2014
Royal Caribbean: Serenade of the Seas - December 27, 2014; Oasis of the Seas - June 18, 2011; Monarch of the Seas - March 13, 2009; Adventure of the Seas - July 27, 2008
Carnival: Magic - February 14, 2015; Conquest - December 26,2010

Princess: Golden Princess - April 3, 2015
#64
Suburb of Chicago
1,846 Posts
Joined Jan 2006
Originally posted by Dizney
Really?! I don't find A Sixth? instigating at all. If anything, he provides good thought provoking commentary. Isn't that what this forum is all about?
Perhaps I'm an instigator too because I find the actions of the two individuals to be a black eye on the human race as a whole...gay/straight/or indifferent!
Provoking is a good word. Actually neither one of you have commented at all on the other side here and thats how these men were treated afterwards. I've acknowledged they were indiscreet but what about this? isn't this a black on humanity as well? Your lack of commentary about this speaks volumes. Do you think this was justified?
Expand Signature
Collapse Signature
2002 RCL Splendour of the Seas, western Med.
2003 CCL Destiny, so. Caribbean
2005 Sapphire Princess, Alaska
2006 Tahitian Princess, French Polynesia
2007 Star Princess, the Baltic
2008 RCL Adventure of the Seas, so. Caribbean
2009 Island Princess, Panama canal full transit
2009 CCL Triumph, NE/Canada.
2011 Celebrity Constellation, Holy land
2012 Celebrity Equinox eastern Med.
2014 CCL Legend, western Caribbean.
2014 Diamond Princess, Japan
2015 NCL Getaway, eastern Caribbean.
2015 Oasis of the Seas western Caribbean
2016 Sapphire Princess southeast Asia.
#65
3,127 Posts
Joined Feb 2004
Just a thought - These two men must have realized that there would be consequences for doing what they did since they exposed themselves (no pun intended) to the public. If they were young I would be more likely to think it was done out of stupidity, but my gut feeling is that they did this to protest the laws of where they were docked. With this in mind, is it possible that they were treated the way they were because they were still in protest mode after they were arrested?
#66
Arlington, Texas
1,304 Posts
Joined Feb 2009
Originally posted by jacketwatch
Provoking is a good word. Actually neither one of you have commented at all on the other side here and thats how these men were treated afterwards. I've acknowledged they were indiscreet but what about this? Your lack of commentary about this speaks volumes. Do you think this was justified?
I'm usually don't comment on things that I don't have ALL the facts on, but it is clear that what they did on their balcony was wrong. I have and would say the same thing if it was a heterosexual couple. To me, sexual orientation just muddies the facts. The facts are that they were warned that this was unacceptable. They chose to do it any way. I don't know if they were challenging the law. Acting stupidly. Or, just didn't care. Bottom line, none of us were in the interrogation room. The facts are somewhere between what this couple is now saying and what was originally reported.
When you do to another country that is not your home, you need to be on your best behavior as my dear mom would say. The tour company warned them. I'm starting to think that this couple is just dense.

BTW...Don't you dare label me a homophobe because I am expressing my views. I have immediate family members who are gay and they would find this situation appalling too!
Expand Signature
Collapse Signature
Eclipse Slide Show...http://tripwow.tripadvisor.com/tripw...are=1&cs=&lb=1

Disney: Dream - August 15-18, 2013; Fantasy - March 9-16, 2013; Magic - July 25, 2009, May 27, 2006 & June 9, 2000
Celebrity: Summit - December 19-26, 2015; Solstice - May 6-15, 2013; Eclipse - March 10-17, 2012; Infinity - July 16, 2010; Century - January 16, 2010 & April 12-19, 2014
Royal Caribbean: Serenade of the Seas - December 27, 2014; Oasis of the Seas - June 18, 2011; Monarch of the Seas - March 13, 2009; Adventure of the Seas - July 27, 2008
Carnival: Magic - February 14, 2015; Conquest - December 26,2010

Princess: Golden Princess - April 3, 2015
#67
Suburb of Chicago
1,846 Posts
Joined Jan 2006
[quote=Dizney;33056088]I'm usually don't comment on things that I don't have ALL the facts on, but it is clear that what they did on their balcony was wrong. I have and would say the same thing if it was a heterosexual couple. To me, sexual orientation just muddies the facts. The facts are that they were warned that this was unacceptable. They chose to do it any way. I don't know if they were challenging the law. Acting stupidly. Or, just didn't care. Bottom line, none of us were in the interrogation room. The facts are somewhere between what this couple is now saying and what was originally reported.
When you do to another country that is not your home, you need to be on your best behavior as my dear mom would say. The tour company warned them. I'm starting to think that this couple is just dense.

BTW...Don't you dare label me a homophobe because I am expressing my views. I have immediate family members who are gay and they would find this situation appalling too![/QUOTE
First of all the issue here is labeling. There is homophobia in Dominica. No question. I am not labeling you anymore than you are labeling me. Nothing good comes from that. why you feel that way is something that stems from w/i you I think. it sure doesn't come from me. I learned a very long time ago not to label.

I'll ask again do you think their treatment was justified?
Expand Signature
Collapse Signature
2002 RCL Splendour of the Seas, western Med.
2003 CCL Destiny, so. Caribbean
2005 Sapphire Princess, Alaska
2006 Tahitian Princess, French Polynesia
2007 Star Princess, the Baltic
2008 RCL Adventure of the Seas, so. Caribbean
2009 Island Princess, Panama canal full transit
2009 CCL Triumph, NE/Canada.
2011 Celebrity Constellation, Holy land
2012 Celebrity Equinox eastern Med.
2014 CCL Legend, western Caribbean.
2014 Diamond Princess, Japan
2015 NCL Getaway, eastern Caribbean.
2015 Oasis of the Seas western Caribbean
2016 Sapphire Princess southeast Asia.
#68
Suburb of Chicago
1,846 Posts
Joined Jan 2006
Originally posted by Bridge Maven
Just a thought - These two men must have realized that there would be consequences for doing what they since they exposed themselves (no pun intended) to the public. If they were young I would be more likely to think it was done out of stupidity, but my gut feeling is that they did this to protest the laws of where they were docked. With this in mind, is it possible that they were treated the way they were because they were still in protest mode after they were arrested?
Possible but possible not. I sort of doubt their was much defiance when they realized they were under arrest. if they were fooling around on the balcony to protest homophobia in Dominica and then found themselves under arrest then their bluff was called in spades, if thats why they did it. With respect. JM2C.
Expand Signature
Collapse Signature
2002 RCL Splendour of the Seas, western Med.
2003 CCL Destiny, so. Caribbean
2005 Sapphire Princess, Alaska
2006 Tahitian Princess, French Polynesia
2007 Star Princess, the Baltic
2008 RCL Adventure of the Seas, so. Caribbean
2009 Island Princess, Panama canal full transit
2009 CCL Triumph, NE/Canada.
2011 Celebrity Constellation, Holy land
2012 Celebrity Equinox eastern Med.
2014 CCL Legend, western Caribbean.
2014 Diamond Princess, Japan
2015 NCL Getaway, eastern Caribbean.
2015 Oasis of the Seas western Caribbean
2016 Sapphire Princess southeast Asia.
#69
Arlington, Texas
1,304 Posts
Joined Feb 2009
[quote=jacketwatch;33056265]
Originally posted by Dizney
I'm usually don't comment on things that I don't have ALL the facts on, but it is clear that what they did on their balcony was wrong. I have and would say the same thing if it was a heterosexual couple. To me, sexual orientation just muddies the facts. The facts are that they were warned that this was unacceptable. They chose to do it any way. I don't know if they were challenging the law. Acting stupidly. Or, just didn't care. Bottom line, none of us were in the interrogation room. The facts are somewhere between what this couple is now saying and what was originally reported.
When you do to another country that is not your home, you need to be on your best behavior as my dear mom would say. The tour company warned them. I'm starting to think that this couple is just dense.

BTW...Don't you dare label me a homophobe because I am expressing my views. I have immediate family members who are gay and they would find this situation appalling too![/QUOTE
First of all the issue here is labeling. There is homophobia in Dominica. No question. I am not labeling you anymore than you are labeling me. Nothing good comes from that. why you feel that way is something that stems from w/i you I think. it sure doesn't come from me. I learned a very long time ago not to label.

I'll ask again do you think their treatment was justified?
I'll tell you again...I don't think we have all the facts. In the US, their treatment would be unjustified as far as treatment in custody. We still don't know how they acted when dealing with the officials.
Again...in another country you should not do anything to warrant handling by the "authorities". That's just my rule of good travel.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Expand Signature
Collapse Signature
Eclipse Slide Show...http://tripwow.tripadvisor.com/tripw...are=1&cs=&lb=1

Disney: Dream - August 15-18, 2013; Fantasy - March 9-16, 2013; Magic - July 25, 2009, May 27, 2006 & June 9, 2000
Celebrity: Summit - December 19-26, 2015; Solstice - May 6-15, 2013; Eclipse - March 10-17, 2012; Infinity - July 16, 2010; Century - January 16, 2010 & April 12-19, 2014
Royal Caribbean: Serenade of the Seas - December 27, 2014; Oasis of the Seas - June 18, 2011; Monarch of the Seas - March 13, 2009; Adventure of the Seas - July 27, 2008
Carnival: Magic - February 14, 2015; Conquest - December 26,2010

Princess: Golden Princess - April 3, 2015
#70
Suburb of Chicago
1,846 Posts
Joined Jan 2006
[quote=Dizney;33056373]
Originally posted by jacketwatch

I'll tell you again...I don't think we have all the facts. In the US, their treatment would be unjustified as far as treatment in custody. We still don't know how they acted when dealing with the officials.
Again...in another country you should not do anything to warrant handling by the "authorities". That's just my rule of good travel.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I respect your opinion though it seems to me you are leaning towards the officials in Dominica. Ok, so be it. We don't know everything but do know the judge name called and the local populace basically made them go through a gauntlet. I do hope that if you ever learn that how they described post arrest treatment was indeed true you will speak out as much against that as you have against them. .JM2C.
Expand Signature
Collapse Signature
2002 RCL Splendour of the Seas, western Med.
2003 CCL Destiny, so. Caribbean
2005 Sapphire Princess, Alaska
2006 Tahitian Princess, French Polynesia
2007 Star Princess, the Baltic
2008 RCL Adventure of the Seas, so. Caribbean
2009 Island Princess, Panama canal full transit
2009 CCL Triumph, NE/Canada.
2011 Celebrity Constellation, Holy land
2012 Celebrity Equinox eastern Med.
2014 CCL Legend, western Caribbean.
2014 Diamond Princess, Japan
2015 NCL Getaway, eastern Caribbean.
2015 Oasis of the Seas western Caribbean
2016 Sapphire Princess southeast Asia.
#71
Arlington, Texas
1,304 Posts
Joined Feb 2009
[quote=jacketwatch;33056404]
Originally posted by Dizney
I see.
See what?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Expand Signature
Collapse Signature
Eclipse Slide Show...http://tripwow.tripadvisor.com/tripw...are=1&cs=&lb=1

Disney: Dream - August 15-18, 2013; Fantasy - March 9-16, 2013; Magic - July 25, 2009, May 27, 2006 & June 9, 2000
Celebrity: Summit - December 19-26, 2015; Solstice - May 6-15, 2013; Eclipse - March 10-17, 2012; Infinity - July 16, 2010; Century - January 16, 2010 & April 12-19, 2014
Royal Caribbean: Serenade of the Seas - December 27, 2014; Oasis of the Seas - June 18, 2011; Monarch of the Seas - March 13, 2009; Adventure of the Seas - July 27, 2008
Carnival: Magic - February 14, 2015; Conquest - December 26,2010

Princess: Golden Princess - April 3, 2015
#72
Suburb of Chicago
1,846 Posts
Joined Jan 2006
[quote=Dizney;33056450]
Originally posted by jacketwatch

See what?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
See above. I tried to edit that but it seemed to go thru anyhow.
Expand Signature
Collapse Signature
2002 RCL Splendour of the Seas, western Med.
2003 CCL Destiny, so. Caribbean
2005 Sapphire Princess, Alaska
2006 Tahitian Princess, French Polynesia
2007 Star Princess, the Baltic
2008 RCL Adventure of the Seas, so. Caribbean
2009 Island Princess, Panama canal full transit
2009 CCL Triumph, NE/Canada.
2011 Celebrity Constellation, Holy land
2012 Celebrity Equinox eastern Med.
2014 CCL Legend, western Caribbean.
2014 Diamond Princess, Japan
2015 NCL Getaway, eastern Caribbean.
2015 Oasis of the Seas western Caribbean
2016 Sapphire Princess southeast Asia.
#73
2,557 Posts
Joined Jan 2009
I think we can all agree that this couple acted irresponsibly and foolishly.

How they were treated is moot. There is nothing we can say or do about that. It's not as if you can write and complain to your congressman.

The best policy, when in a foreign country, is to behave!
#74
8,222 Posts
Joined Nov 2006
Originally posted by jacketwatch
\
You kidding? i was born in the morning but not this morning. You like to argue and bait. When you want to see someone elses POV and do so respectfully then we can debate. Have a nice day.
What is POV?
#75
Suburb of Chicago
1,846 Posts
Joined Jan 2006
Originally posted by jackdiamond
What is POV?
Point Of View
Expand Signature
Collapse Signature
2002 RCL Splendour of the Seas, western Med.
2003 CCL Destiny, so. Caribbean
2005 Sapphire Princess, Alaska
2006 Tahitian Princess, French Polynesia
2007 Star Princess, the Baltic
2008 RCL Adventure of the Seas, so. Caribbean
2009 Island Princess, Panama canal full transit
2009 CCL Triumph, NE/Canada.
2011 Celebrity Constellation, Holy land
2012 Celebrity Equinox eastern Med.
2014 CCL Legend, western Caribbean.
2014 Diamond Princess, Japan
2015 NCL Getaway, eastern Caribbean.
2015 Oasis of the Seas western Caribbean
2016 Sapphire Princess southeast Asia.
#77
Suburb of Chicago
1,846 Posts
Joined Jan 2006
Originally posted by Can'tstopcruising
I think we can all agree that this couple acted irresponsibly and foolishly.

How they were treated is moot. There is nothing we can say or do about that. It's not as if you can write and complain to your congressman.

The best policy, when in a foreign country, is to behave!
Well thats exactly why we have laws in this country about civil rights.
Expand Signature
Collapse Signature
2002 RCL Splendour of the Seas, western Med.
2003 CCL Destiny, so. Caribbean
2005 Sapphire Princess, Alaska
2006 Tahitian Princess, French Polynesia
2007 Star Princess, the Baltic
2008 RCL Adventure of the Seas, so. Caribbean
2009 Island Princess, Panama canal full transit
2009 CCL Triumph, NE/Canada.
2011 Celebrity Constellation, Holy land
2012 Celebrity Equinox eastern Med.
2014 CCL Legend, western Caribbean.
2014 Diamond Princess, Japan
2015 NCL Getaway, eastern Caribbean.
2015 Oasis of the Seas western Caribbean
2016 Sapphire Princess southeast Asia.
#79
Arlington, Texas
1,304 Posts
Joined Feb 2009
Originally posted by Can'tstopcruising
I think we can all agree that this couple acted irresponsibly and foolishly.

How they were treated is moot. There is nothing we can say or do about that. It's not as if you can write and complain to your congressman.

The best policy, when in a foreign country, is to behave!
My point exactly!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Expand Signature
Collapse Signature
Eclipse Slide Show...http://tripwow.tripadvisor.com/tripw...are=1&cs=&lb=1

Disney: Dream - August 15-18, 2013; Fantasy - March 9-16, 2013; Magic - July 25, 2009, May 27, 2006 & June 9, 2000
Celebrity: Summit - December 19-26, 2015; Solstice - May 6-15, 2013; Eclipse - March 10-17, 2012; Infinity - July 16, 2010; Century - January 16, 2010 & April 12-19, 2014
Royal Caribbean: Serenade of the Seas - December 27, 2014; Oasis of the Seas - June 18, 2011; Monarch of the Seas - March 13, 2009; Adventure of the Seas - July 27, 2008
Carnival: Magic - February 14, 2015; Conquest - December 26,2010

Princess: Golden Princess - April 3, 2015
#80
3,127 Posts
Joined Feb 2004
Originally posted by Tweets
POV=point of view
Tweets - Just noticed that you live in Great Neck. I grew up in Kings Point and went to Great Neck North High School.