How do you deal with rude people?

IMHO there should be lines with stantions and rope that can accommodate scooters, and scooter/wheelchair users should wait their turn like everyone else for elevators, buses, etc. If there is no room for the scooter and it is next in line, no one gets on at that stop. They should not automatically get priority boarding. The only exception is children on Wish trips.

fisrt off ducklite, dear, if you or your husband is NOT PERMANENTLY disabled then butt out.

Secondly in NINETY percent of the cases it is not the handicap person getting to the front of the line it is the ABLED BODIED people (like you) that seem to think they DESERVE to butt ahead of us.

and your logic is flawed --- SO what we get ONE elevator with stations and ropes and AB get the remaining SEVEN?? That's real fair. Isn't it???

If that is so stations and ropes need to be for EVERY elevator.

I have not nor will I EVER butt to the front of the line but I can tell you story after story of people pushing me aside to get in the elevator before I do and THEN when I do get in if I run over their precious little toes..it is MY fault.

Whatever we cant win..ever.

So ducklite dear in all your so called knowledge it really means crap for you have NO experience using a wheelchair. 6 months..is NOTHING, try being in one for the rest of your life and then maybe we will listen to you.

karma is a bytch

fisrt off ducklite, dear, if you or your husband is NOT PERMANENTLY disabled then butt out.

 

Secondly in NINETY percent of the cases it is not the handicap person getting to the front of the line it is the ABLED BODIED people (like you) that seem to think they DESERVE to butt ahead of us.

 

and your logic is flawed --- SO what we get ONE elevator with stations and ropes and AB get the remaining SEVEN?? That's real fair. Isn't it???

If that is so stations and ropes need to be for EVERY elevator.

 

I have not nor will I EVER butt to the front of the line but I can tell you story after story of people pushing me aside to get in the elevator before I do and THEN when I do get in if I run over their precious little toes..it is MY fault.

 

Whatever we cant win..ever.

 

 

So ducklite dear in all your so called knowledge it really means crap for you have NO experience using a wheelchair. 6 months..is NOTHING, try being in one for the rest of your life and then maybe we will listen to you.

 

 

karma is a bytch

You are a very bitter person, aren't you?

I meant EVERY elevator should have them--I never said or alluded that it should only be one. Your reading comprehension seems to be off. EQUAL access. I have never pushed a disabled person out of the way or tried to jump to the front of the line. Ever. I have had disabled people push me, hit me, yell at me to get out if their way because they were moving faster than I was, and act like the world owes them something. Kind of like you seem to act. I am not the one being rude or calling names, that is you. Very telling.

You are a very bitter person, aren't you?

 

I meant EVERY elevator should have them--I never said or alluded that it should only be one. Your reading comprehension seems to be off. EQUAL access. I have never pushed a disabled person out of the way or tried to jump to the front of the line. Ever. I have had disabled people push me, hit me, yell at me to get out if their way because they were moving faster than I was, and act like the world owes them something. Kind of like you seem to act. I am not the one being rude or calling names, that is you. Very telling.

ducklite - dear I see no name calling in my post please re-read it.

and YOU MEANT?? so you did not state? I am to assume I KNOW what you MEANT? Hmmmm....so if I assumed, I am wrong, and if I reply based on what YOU SAID and not what you MEANT, I am wrong...

As for rude - go back over and read all your post.

See you are the epitome of what is wrong with this world.

If I Push my way into an elevator I am rude, pushy, aggressive.

If I squeeze into an elevator and run your toes over , i am rude, careless, cant drive.

If I sit and wait patiently for one to become available..well..I might as well stay home...

Handicap people have been called fat, lazy, careless, aggressive, what do they need a wheelchair for, we been denied access to certain things (go ahead hop in your rented wheelchair and see if you can access the upper decks, the mini golf etc..not going to happen dear.) We cant go Cave Tubing in Belive, we cant go dancing, and if we ever TRIED anything of these things..well it wouldn't be pretty. the list goes on and on...and we just sit back and let it happen.

we cant win..ever. Damned if we do damned if we don't.

As for bitter?? Sorry dear not me, I am not the one stalking a handicap board (when not handicap) and been called lets see high society princess, little compassion..etc..

as I stated I have NOT nor will I ever push my way around in my wheelchair I could die tomorrow, therefore I chose NOT to live my life in a rush, bitter, or annoying people.

Have a good day ducklite..:)

Since my oncologist wrote the prescription for the scooter I don't think that's going to be an issue for me... so I have no issues with providing them with any medical documentation they would like.

Can they do this with HIPPA rules in place?

I too have no problem providing medical documentation but I am not sure if it is legal to be asked for it?

Maybe just a note saying that a wheelchair is required?

Would someone please tell me how to stop receiving emails telling me someone posted to this board.

I am so tired of the idiotic childishness "I said this, you said that" going on.

HELP!

Would someone please tell me how to stop receiving emails telling me someone posted to this board.

 

I am so tired of the idiotic childishness "I said this, you said that" going on.

 

HELP!

Go to the top of the first post on page (right side) and click on "thread tools" and one option is to "unsubscribe from thread" :)

This is about to change with a new product called Quantum. The driver will deploy the ramp at the front door and the wheelchair user will roll in, position themselves in specially designated space behind the driver, and the system will automatically clamp them in. The driver will never leave their seat. If the bus is full, the wheelchair will have to wait for the next bus, the driver will not ask people to get off to allow the wheelchair in. They will only ask people to move to empty space if there is any.

 

As I mentioned earlier, I was in a wheelchair for six months after surgery. I never expected to go ahead of a line, I waited my turn.

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Should only take 30 years or so to roll out world wide. By that time, you might be needing a chair yourself a little more pemanently than a quick 6 month stint.

Come to think of it, there's something similar in many countries already where public transport provision is good. I rolled on to a bus in Sydney in March and the driver never had to get out of his seat. The difference from your scenario is that people were keen to volunteer to make way for my chair.

In fact, thinking a bit further, I'd love to see how an automated system would be able to clamp my custom made, bespoke chair. Maybe when I visit your corner of the world I'll be forced into a standardised, heavyweight chair. I guess someone will call that progress.

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Should only take 30 years or so to roll out world wide. By that time, you might be needing a chair yourself a little more pemanently than a quick 6 month stint.

 

Come to think of it, there's something similar in many countries already where public transport provision is good. I rolled on to a bus in Sydney in March and the driver never had to get out of his seat. The difference from your scenario is that people were keen to volunteer to make way for my chair.

 

In fact, thinking a bit further, I'd love to see how an automated system would be able to clamp my custom made, bespoke chair. Maybe when I visit your corner of the world I'll be forced into a standardised, heavyweight chair. I guess someone will call that progress.

 

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http://www.qstraint.com/quantum/

It will work just fine with your chair. There are already orders world wide. Why be so pessimistic?

:-)

If you watch the Quantum video, the system actually looks pretty cool. The people in the video are using everything from scooters to electric wheelchairs, so I don't think that it matters if your chair is custom-made. Not sure how expensive it is, though, which would definitely impact how it would be adopted by public transportation, etc.

If you watch the Quantum video, the system actually looks pretty cool. The people in the video are using everything from scooters to electric wheelchairs, so I don't think that it matters if your chair is custom-made. Not sure how expensive it is, though, which would definitely impact how it would be adopted by public transportation, etc.

Cost is factored not only by the cost of buying and installing the equipment, but also driver training, staying on time on the route, maintenance, and customer satisfaction. This system will require less training, allow buses ( and trains) to stay on schedule, and most importantly, allow more independence for the disabled. Additionally because it is a complete unit with no loose parts (tie downs and loops) there will be less maintenance and part replacement. Q'Straint has been working in this product for a very long time, and it will change many things in public transit for the better. No, I do not work for them.

Thank you for taking the time to watch the video and understand how this system will work for all wheelchairs and scooters, regardless of their size or being "custom."

Ducklite, I can't believe you are here, pushing your unwelcome opinions and you are able bodied & can get up and walk where you want. Six months is not long being handicapped. Try being hit by a car and breaking your leg in 4 places at the age of 49, becoming permanently handicapped, losing the strength in your leg and having to be in a wheelchair. I've tried Physical therapy and it hasn't worked. I try to look at life as half full and often let folks on the elevator. But yes, I do deserve to go on the bus first. You can afford to spend a few precious minutes standing on your able bodied legs to wait for me to load onto the bus. Don't even bother responding to my post, as I will not respond. In fact, I do wish the moderators would remove you from this board as you do seem to be stalking us. Good Bye and Good Luck.

I also feel the same way. 6 months is a drop in the bucket. I been in a chair for 10 years now. Yet if we question her or others like her, we are called rude, pessimist etc. sheesh I have heard so much, a cure is coming, new meds easier to tolerate is coming, better pain killers is coming..better laws is coming...even her Quantum link, yes right, our state that is barely surviving, is going to spend MILLIONS of dollars outfitting the buses so that we can board easier, faster, safer. Sorry unless our state and country suddenly become rich, these feature being added to city buses, is not going to happen anytime soon.

People need to realize that ALOT of us are in wheelchairs NOT because we are amputees. or paralyzed but because we are battling illness (such as my case) 20 mins in 85 degree weather and I will need an ambulance. I know this, we plan around it, cruise in cooler weather, get back to the ship before the long lines form. Cooling vest etc.. And so far we have been lucky but I KNOW if we ever got back to the ship and the line was an hour wait to tender, my husband would be pushing me to the front, either that or I could potentially hold up the entire cruise.

Other people suffer immeasurable pain, or discomfort. Its not all "Here i broke my leg and need a chair for 6 weeks." And the thing is, is we deal with this every day ,

EVERY SINGLE DAY

I have seen alot AB get REAL nasty and miserable when they hurt their back or come down with the flu and yet we deal with pain, illness, discomfort every single day and the few times we are not our happy selves, well then the name calling starts.

According to ducklite when I encounter an obstacle (such as not getting to other decks) I should just pick another line. Guess I should never go in the heat, avoid all gatherings (getting sick scares me since that tosses my illness into full over drive), avoid places with stairs..etc... failed logic. But her and others like her do not understand.

Hopefully this board will educate some of them, others will never believe that we should be treated any different. If we can't use the same amenities as AB, then find another way, another line, etc..

Unfortunately this is a fact of life.

Anyway we cruise in two days so time to get packing!!! I am bringing both my electric and my manual wheelchair! This way I can get access to more ports , so excited!!

have a great day!

FYI, Florida will be one of the first states with buses fitted with Quantum--there are 200 new buses equipped with it on order right now, don't be so sure of yourself. You obviously know nothing about how public transit is funded--I'll give you a hint, only about 20% of capital costs are paid for with local funds.

By the way, I have had asthma since childhood and heat is a trigger for me. Instead of complaining about it, I stay out if it and choose my travel so I am able to do so--including sailing smaller ships without lines.

I can't imagine the ships requiring certification that you need a scooter or a wheelchair. Who would ride them if they didn't need one? Also, I think it must be against HIPPA laws, but not sure if they apply to ships registered out of the states.

Ducklite, I can't believe you are here, pushing your unwelcome opinions and you are able bodied & can get up and walk where you want. Six months is not long being handicapped. Try being hit by a car and breaking your leg in 4 places at the age of 49, becoming permanently handicapped, losing the strength in your leg and having to be in a wheelchair. I've tried Physical therapy and it hasn't worked. I try to look at life as half full and often let folks on the elevator. But yes, I do deserve to go on the bus first. You can afford to spend a few precious minutes standing on your able bodied legs to wait for me to load onto the bus. Don't even bother responding to my post, as I will not respond. In fact, I do wish the moderators would remove you from this board as you do seem to be stalking us. Good Bye and Good Luck.

You don't know who is waiting in that line with a hidden medical problem. Those who have been waiting should always get priority over someone who rolls up as the bus pulls to the curb. If there will obviously be room for all, sure, board the chair first. But if the bus is already full, there is no reason that the wheelchair should get priority when others waiting longer will be left behind as a result.

My neighbor has a heart problem. She isn't Ina wheelchair but has been hospitalized six times in the past two years because of it. Are you saying that you in your chair should get priority over her when she has been waiting longer? I highly disagree. She has just as much need if not more.

I can't imagine the ships requiring certification that you need a scooter or a wheelchair. Who would ride them if they didn't need one? Also, I think it must be against HIPPA laws, but not sure if they apply to ships registered out of the states.

I've seen many people use scooters out of laziness. They are perfectly capable of walking and have no medical condition. I've seen them talking about renting scooters for convenience and comfort at Disney World. My guess is that most of them would benefit from getting a little exercise. :rolleyes:

I've seen many people use scooters out of laziness. They are perfectly capable of walking and have no medical condition. I've seen them talking about renting scooters for convenience and comfort at Disney World. My guess is that most of them would benefit from getting a little exercise. :rolleyes:

That may be true, but people on this board are looking for PRODUCTIVE advice on how to handle disabilities on cruises and shore excursions.

I have had asthma since I was a child and was in a car accident that severely limited my mobility for over a year. But I never considered either a disability. I am on this board to get PRODUCTIVE advice as a caregiver for someone in a wheelchair.

As a caregiver, I wait in line to use an elevator on a ship and everyone runs in before us OVER AND OVER again. Most of the time we let it go without saying anything but sometimes it is a saftety issue when everyone crowds in and pushes to get on the elevator. I now give the person a cane to gently keep people at a distance so he can breathe in the elevator and not get crushed.

I get a lot of good advice from the disability forum to prep for trips. Can we all keep the discussion productive? Thanks.

That may be true, but people on this board are looking for PRODUCTIVE advice on how to handle disabilities on cruises and shore excursions.

 

I have had asthma since I was a child and was in a car accident that severely limited my mobility for over a year. But I never considered either a disability. I am on this board to get PRODUCTIVE advice as a caregiver for someone in a wheelchair.

 

As a caregiver, I wait in line to use an elevator on a ship and everyone runs in before us OVER AND OVER again. Most of the time we let it go without saying anything but sometimes it is a saftety issue when everyone crowds in and pushes to get on the elevator. I now give the person a cane to gently keep people at a distance so he can breathe in the elevator and not get crushed.

 

I get a lot of good advice from the disability forum to prep for trips. Can we all keep the discussion productive? Thanks.

It's unfortunate when people run into an elevator when others who might be a little slower to move for any reason have been waiting longer. This is why elevators in crowded places like cruise ships should have formal queues so everyone gets equal access.

I've seen this done in a lot of large public buildings, and the system seems to work well. Of course there will always be the arse that thinks they shouldn't have to wait in line, but usually those who have been waiting will shame them to the back of the line.

I can't imagine the ships requiring certification that you need a scooter or a wheelchair. Who would ride them if they didn't need one? Also, I think it must be against HIPPA laws, but not sure if they apply to ships registered out of the states.

We've met a number of people who use scooters, who admit they don't need them. We met 3 sisters back in August who each rented a scooter to get around in a casino. They said it was just easier for them. As far as regulating, or requiring some sort of certification for these mobility aids, I meant that some venues, for safety reasons, might require me to have a Drs. note or something since there are so many more folks using scooters/power chairs, etc.

We've met a number of people who use scooters, who admit they don't need them. We met 3 sisters back in August who each rented a scooter to get around in a casino. They said it was just easier for them. As far as regulating, or requiring some sort of certification for these mobility aids, I meant that some venues, for safety reasons, might require me to have a Drs. note or something since there are so many more folks using scooters/power chairs, etc.

The way the law reads, you can ask a person if they need the mobility aid due to disability, you can not ask them what the disability is or require them to provide a doctors note. Unfortunately it's not illegal to claim they need the scooter due to disability when they don't, and it's all honor system.

The way the law reads, you can ask a person if they need the mobility aid due to disability, you can not ask them what the disability is or require them to provide a doctors note. Unfortunately it's not illegal to claim they need the scooter due to disability when they don't, and it's all honor system.

Thanks, I appreciate the info; I didn't know that's how it works.

I also feel the same way. 6 months is a drop in the bucket. I been in a chair for 10 years now. Yet if we question her or others like her, we are called rude, pessimist etc. sheesh I have heard so much, a cure is coming, new meds easier to tolerate is coming, better pain killers is coming..better laws is coming...even her Quantum link, yes right, our state that is barely surviving, is going to spend MILLIONS of dollars outfitting the buses so that we can board easier, faster, safer. Sorry unless our state and country suddenly become rich, these feature being added to city buses, is not going to happen anytime soon.

 

People need to realize that ALOT of us are in wheelchairs NOT because we are amputees. or paralyzed but because we are battling illness (such as my case) 20 mins in 85 degree weather and I will need an ambulance. I know this, we plan around it, cruise in cooler weather, get back to the ship before the long lines form. Cooling vest etc.. And so far we have been lucky but I KNOW if we ever got back to the ship and the line was an hour wait to tender, my husband would be pushing me to the front, either that or I could potentially hold up the entire cruise.

 

Other people suffer immeasurable pain, or discomfort. Its not all "Here i broke my leg and need a chair for 6 weeks." And the thing is, is we deal with this every day ,

 

 

EVERY SINGLE DAY

 

I have seen alot AB get REAL nasty and miserable when they hurt their back or come down with the flu and yet we deal with pain, illness, discomfort every single day and the few times we are not our happy selves, well then the name calling starts.

 

According to ducklite when I encounter an obstacle (such as not getting to other decks) I should just pick another line. Guess I should never go in the heat, avoid all gatherings (getting sick scares me since that tosses my illness into full over drive), avoid places with stairs..etc... failed logic. But her and others like her do not understand.

 

Hopefully this board will educate some of them, others will never believe that we should be treated any different. If we can't use the same amenities as AB, then find another way, another line, etc..

 

Unfortunately this is a fact of life.

 

Anyway we cruise in two days so time to get packing!!! I am bringing both my electric and my manual wheelchair! This way I can get access to more ports , so excited!!

 

have a great day!

Well said!! We do have to face these challenged every day and we try to stay positive but sometimes the pain, discomfort and illness gets us down and we become grouchy. Have a wonderful cruise! Where are you going and which line? I leave on November 30th on Disney Fantasy, So excited!!!

.................. You obviously know nothing about how public transit is funded--I'll give you a hint, only about 20% of capital costs are paid for with local funds.

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Someone obviously knows nothing about public transport in the parts of the world where 95% of mankind lives. I'm not going to go out on a limb and suggest that things might be a little different outside Florida as well, I'll leave that task to others who live in the US.

I made the mistake of giving ducklite the benefit of the doubt and watching the video. I guess if I was in a small wheel electric chair or on a scooter it might make things a bit more stable at a few mph faster, but let's be clear, that system would be a non-starter with my ful sized, lightweight racing wheels and if anyone wanted to clamp them like that I'd politely tell them where to stick their equipment.

As for, "staying on time on the route, ...customer satisfaction. This system will require less training, allow buses ( and trains) to stay on schedule, and most importantly, allow more independence for the disabled" I'm not going to even grace that sort of marketing tosh with a comment.

This thread is getting a little odourous with the comments from someone who has had to suffer a wheelchair for six months, who can diagnose a lazy malingerer from twenty yards and by the look of it, knows little of the world outside a small corner of Florida. Please, please people, don't let him / her waste any more of your precious screen pixels. As my old Dad used to say, "there's none so deaf as them that won't listen".

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Someone obviously knows nothing about public transport in the parts of the world where 95% of mankind lives. I'm not going to go out on a limb and suggest that things might be a little different outside Florida as well, I'll leave that task to others who live in the US.

95% of public transit in the US is run and funded the same way as mandated by the FTA--who hold the purse strings. There are some parts of the world where there is no accessible public transit, and likely never will be. Those are not the places I'm talking about.

I made the mistake of giving ducklite the benefit of the doubt and watching the video. I guess if I was in a small wheel electric chair or on a scooter it might make things a bit more stable at a few mph faster, but let's be clear, that system would be a non-starter with my ful sized, lightweight racing wheels and if anyone wanted to clamp them like that I'd politely tell them where to stick their equipment.

The system has been thoroughly tested on all types of equipment and wheels. Now you are just trying to be difficult.

As for, "staying on time on the route, ...customer satisfaction. This system will require less training, allow buses ( and trains) to stay on schedule, and most importantly, allow more independence for the disabled" I'm not going to even grace that sort of marketing tosh with a comment.

Call it what you want, but all of those things are looked at during tri-annual reviews required of all public transit in the US by the FTA.

This thread is getting a little odourous with the comments from someone who has had to suffer a wheelchair for six months, who can diagnose a lazy malingerer from twenty yards and by the look of it, knows little of the world outside a small corner of Florida. Please, please people, don't let him / her waste any more of your precious screen pixels. As my old Dad used to say, "there's none so deaf as them that won't listen".

 

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I've traveled through much of the world and have taken public transit in almost every country I've visited. When I'm talking about scooter users who don't need them, I'm referring to people who have actually talked publicly--even bragged about it--on various message boards and in theme parks. My husband and I had two women in line in front of us at Epcot earlier this year tell us that they purposely rent scooters so they don't end up with tired feet at the end of the day, but have no medical need for them. They were bragging about it. Obviously others have heard similar stories--see fair-winds39's comment a few posts up.

By the way, like it or not, Quantum IS coming to Europe...

http://www.masstransitmag.com/press_release/11197073/fl-qstraint-wins-busworlds-2013-ecw-innovation-label-award?utm_source=MASS+NewsViews+Newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=MASS131019002