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#21
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To those who commented on P&O Australia's PNG trip and not seeing many kids. We have done that trip, plus another with P&O in school holidays. Was panicking that it would be over run with the little darlings but it seems P&O limit their kids to what their Kids Club holds and keep them well occupied. I did not see any bad behavior. Not like my sister who did a carnival cruise which ended up with half the passengers as kids, it was chaos.

Mind you my cruise line of choice is Princess and we have never had a problem with them.


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#22
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Originally posted by Aussieflyer
What is it about parents taking kids out of school willy nilly? You can't tell me they are all home-schooled. A parent with a child of school age has a responsibility to have the child in school IMO. A cruise to the Pacific Islands is generally not a high educational itinerary for most passengers. I can see why education departments are trying to crack down on kids missing school for holidays.
Perhaps I should duck and run now from all the parents/grandparents who do cruise with school age children in term time.
Couldn't agree with you more. We were absolutely astounded by the numbers

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#23
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What is it about parents taking kids out of school willy nilly? You can't tell me they are all home-schooled. A parent with a child of school age has a responsibility to have the child in school IMO. A cruise to the Pacific Islands is generally not a high educational itinerary for most passengers. I can see why education departments are trying to crack down on kids missing school for holidays.
Perhaps I should duck and run now from all the parents/grandparents who do cruise with school age children in term time.
I can answer this (as someone who has taken kids out of school). Our workplaces require staff to rotate when they take their leave (ie. the entire team can't all be on leave in July school holidays). Also, most work places have certain times of the year when they are really busy & you can't take leave. Take into account most families have 2 parents working (with different busy periods in their jobs). The reality then becomes that its not always possible to take leave during the school holidays.

Personally, we only take the kids out of school if there is no other option. Even then we try to tack it onto the end or start of term so as not to disrupt their learning too much. They also bring school work with them and are able to log in to their classroom where ever we can get internet access.
#24
Sydney, Australia
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Yes, have seen that a bit on RCL this past few years - as they increase their local capacity.

Best way to avoid it is generally the longer, and/or more expensive cruise, the less likely it will happen. E.g. was even pretty opposite on our Ovation cruise this year which was RCL but it was still expensive. e.g. lots more people dressed up than usual as well. But heading to south pacific islands, on a cheaper cruise, for 1-2 weeks it gets a lot more 'casual.'
#25
Canberra Australia
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I think it also depends on the schools where the kids may (or in this case do not) go. Some schools are very strict with allowing kids to miss school for any reason other than illness.
#26
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Originally posted by Aussieflyer
What is it about parents taking kids out of school willy nilly? You can't tell me they are all home-schooled. A parent with a child of school age has a responsibility to have the child in school IMO. A cruise to the Pacific Islands is generally not a high educational itinerary for most passengers. I can see why education departments are trying to crack down on kids missing school for holidays.
Perhaps I should duck and run now from all the parents/grandparents who do cruise with school age children in term time.
No duck and cover required for me but I will give you my 5 cents worth. Visiting some of our closest neighbours and seeing how different they live to the way we live is very educational. As is learning to wait your turn, seeing immigration and custom procedures, being exposed to other currencies, and becoming aware that not everyone is the same as you but we all have to get along, adults and children, just the same.
#27
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Something else to think about.
Everyones case in different.
We have a 16 year old daughter who has CP is unable to walk and uses a wheelchair. She has just returned from her 13th cruise.

A cruise is a great way for Mum and Dad to have a break from the normal life of housework, cooking and cleaning as well as caring for a disabled child.




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#28
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Originally posted by [email protected]
Something else to think about.
Everyones case in different.
We have a 16 year old daughter who has CP is unable to walk and uses a wheelchair. She has just returned from her 13th cruise.

A cruise is a great way for Mum and Dad to have a break from the normal life of housework, cooking and cleaning as well as caring for a disabled child.

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Absolutely, we just took our little 5yr grandson on a 3 night cruise, he had two days off school.
His parents separated at Xmas, he moved house, started Kindy.
He walked off the ship with his lanyard and cruise card, t shirt he painted and medal he won around his neck and a big smile!!!

I agree it isnt beneficial all the time and every ones circumstances are different.
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#29
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Originally posted by Aussieflyer
What is it about parents taking kids out of school willy nilly? You can't tell me they are all home-schooled. A parent with a child of school age has a responsibility to have the child in school IMO. A cruise to the Pacific Islands is generally not a high educational itinerary for most passengers. I can see why education departments are trying to crack down on kids missing school for holidays.
Perhaps I should duck and run now from all the parents/grandparents who do cruise with school age children in term time.
Every circumstance is different, I run my own business, it would stupid of me to take time off at the busiest times, My son is on the autistic spectrum, at the end of year 2 at school he was still at kindergarten level, he was at a private school with lots of learning programs for kids with difficulties but it still was not enough, we had no choice but to pull him out of school and home school him, now after 2 years of home school he has caught up to his correct year level after lots of hard work, time and effort.
I would love nothing more to be able to send my son to school but I don't have that choice.

Learning can be done anywhere and once outside the constraints of the education system it's amazing what kids will learn and want to learn about.
Before you judge others maybe you should walk a mile in their shoes.
#30
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I don't understand why cruise lines like Celebrity don't have Adults only itineraries?

There seem to be a lot of people who would prefer to travel without kids on board and we don't all want to spend the amounts charged by the luxury cruise lines. At the moment it seems that every cruise line based in Australia is aimed at families; not ideal for a early 40s Childfree couple like my husband and I (and yes we travel outside of school holidays and still we can't avoid them).
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#31
Canberra Australia
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Originally posted by messej01
I don't understand why cruise lines like Celebrity don't have Adults only itineraries?

There seem to be a lot of people who would prefer to travel without kids on board and we don't all want to spend the amounts charged by the luxury cruise lines. At the moment it seems that every cruise line based in Australia is aimed at families; not ideal for a early 40s Childfree couple like my husband and I (and yes we travel outside of school holidays and still we can't avoid them).
I think the cruise lines that limit the amount of kids on board like P&O do a pretty good job as they only have so much room in the kid's clubs and the kids actually enjoy going to them. Other lines X and Princess are basically pricing families /kids off them with limited activities and the additional costs. It really only leaves RCI and Carnival that are sitting somewhere in between where they cater for so many kids and families but do not limit it to that number.
#32
Sydney, Australia
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Originally posted by messej01
I don't understand why cruise lines like Celebrity don't have Adults only itineraries?

There seem to be a lot of people who would prefer to travel without kids on board and we don't all want to spend the amounts charged by the luxury cruise lines. At the moment it seems that every cruise line based in Australia is aimed at families; not ideal for a early 40s Childfree couple like my husband and I (and yes we travel outside of school holidays and still we can't avoid them).
First off, the major lines are good at finding what is in their financial interest, so it can be seen there is still more money to be made for catering for all, than just for niche markets.

That said, the only viable way to do it is to do it on a ship wide basis, as P&O do. It's far too complicated and confusing to do it on an itinerary basis. Simply, people book as groups, invite friends then have problems because they find others can't come and get very annoyed. Similarly, people have an experience on one itinerary than make a natural assumption on another itinerary and similar get surprised and thus annoyed when it is different. Adding to that, the complication just on those travel staff who do know the difference, but then need to search out the different rules on each sailing when working with customers.
#33
Sydney, Australia
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Originally posted by messej01
I don't understand why cruise lines like Celebrity don't have Adults only itineraries?

There seem to be a lot of people who would prefer to travel without kids on board and we don't all want to spend the amounts charged by the luxury cruise lines. At the moment it seems that every cruise line based in Australia is aimed at families; not ideal for a early 40s Childfree couple like my husband and I (and yes we travel outside of school holidays and still we can't avoid them).
We cruised NZ on Celebrity last month and I don't think I saw a single kid onboard, although there probably were a few. However there would probably be more on a South Pacific cruise.

We also did a Carnival South Pacific cruise and found it quite easy to stay out of the way of the kids most of the time. We used the Serenity area, had the late traditional dinner sitting, and frequented the Piano Bar after dinner. The only time we saw kids was around some of the bars during pre-dinner drinks, or when getting lunch from the buffet.

We've also been on a number of other cruises, including two Christmas cruises, but have rarely been annoyed by kids on a ship. Most ships have adults-only areas and pools and, at least in our region, these seem to stay kid-free.
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#34
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Originally posted by MicCanberra
I think the cruise lines that limit the amount of kids on board like P&O do a pretty good job as they only have so much room in the kid's clubs and the kids actually enjoy going to them. Other lines X and Princess are basically pricing families /kids off them with limited activities and the additional costs. It really only leaves RCI and Carnival that are sitting somewhere in between where they cater for so many kids and families but do not limit it to that number.
I think you'll find Princess limits the number of children too. The parents who choose these trips know their kids aren't going to get the whizz bang ziplines and wave pools but what they do get is the opportunity to mix with other kids on a real level, share experiences and develop friendships.

We've frequently seen young teens dressed to the nines on formal night going off to their disco, sharing happy/sad farewells at dawn on embarkation day, but aside from swatting for exams in the quiet of the library or dining with their parents in the MDR we've not noticed them around the ship the whole cruise. Where were they hiding? Or is it that they and we, were so busy with our own activities that we didn't notice how many kids were onboard until it was time to get off?
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#35
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Originally posted by wishfulone
I think you'll find Princess limits the number of children too. The parents who choose these trips know their kids aren't going to get the whizz bang ziplines and wave pools but what they do get is the opportunity to mix with other kids on a real level, share experiences and develop friendships.
Good to know that they do have good kid's clubs but numbers are limited.