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#1
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DH is in Law Enforcement and we are driving down for our cruise(Family of 5 ranging from 2-35). Of course he wants/needs to bring his gun along for the actual drive but is he allowed to bring it on the ship? He doesn't want to leave it in the car while on the cruise so is there some other option on what he can do with it if it is not allowed on the ship?
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Houston, TX
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I can state unquivocally that firearms are not permitted on any ship. I'm retired law enforcement and had a similar situation. I wound up leaving mine locked in my home safe. I suggest that you contact the cruise line, since I'm certain that they've had to answer that question before. Enjoy your cruise!

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#4
Klein, Texas
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If thats his job, shouldn't he know what his options are? Or how to go about finding out. I really hope having his wife go on a message board and ask random people wasn't his suggestion...
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#5
Colorado
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Cuting through all of the "noise" - No, he will not be able to take it on board the ship. Start making other arrangements now.
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#6
Halifax, NS, Canada
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Do police always carry their service weapons when not on duty and on vacation? Is Disneyworld full of off duty cops carrying guns? I figured they'd leave it home locked up.
#8
So. Cal
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Originally posted by pilotboy1985
Do police always carry their service weapons when not on duty and on vacation? Is Disneyworld full of off duty cops carrying guns? I figured they'd leave it home locked up.
Yep, it's a 24/7 profession.
#9
Fredericksburg, va. USA
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Weapons of any kind are NOT allowed on the ship. When he's a passenger, he's NOT on duty, and if they find it or know about it, they can kick him off the ship. USA laws don't apply on the ship!
#10
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Originally posted by matj2000
If thats his job, shouldn't he know what his options are? Or how to go about finding out. I really hope having his wife go on a message board and ask random people wasn't his suggestion...
How rude. Of course he knows his options but there is always some scenario that does not fit the case. He can bring it on a plane(in fact they like to have law enforcement on the plane) with the proper paperwork. But a cruise is something we are both unfamiliar with in this area. He is more concerned about bringing it for the drive. Not bringing it on board. In fact he doesn't want it on board. He just had the thought of what to do with it while on the cruise. If you could see the things that he sees happen to people, even who are just driving through on their vacation, you would want to bring a gun too. We will be driving in unfamiliar areas and mostly at night so I feel very comfortable with him bringing his gun on our drive. I am just asking on the board for an in general in case someone has had this same situation(BTW Thank You PeterPan). Of course when all is said and done we will have to call Royal Caribbean. Although it sounds like we already have the answer. He by no means said, "Gee Honey can you go ask the cruise board?" Come on now. I sure hope you respect the the law enforcement in your community better than you do those on this board.
#11
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Originally posted by pilotboy1985
Do police always carry their service weapons when not on duty and on vacation? Is Disneyworld full of off duty cops carrying guns? I figured they'd leave it home locked up.
Can't speak fer Canada, but in Texas isn't not just the cops that consider carrying a handgun a responsibility. Absolutely they carry around the clock and everywhere except the steam room (but not on the cruise ship).
#13
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No, you cannot carry a gun on a plane if you are off-duty. No amount of paperwork can change that. If on-duty escorting a prisoner you can carry. The gun would have to be declared and checked if off-duty. Every LEO would/should know that.


http://www.ok.gov/cleet/documents/airplane%20faq.pdf
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#14
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Originally posted by bilyclub
No, you cannot carry a gun on a plane if you are off-duty. No amount of paperwork can change that. If on-duty escorting a prisoner you can carry. The gun would have to be declared and checked if off-duty. Every LEO would/should know that.


http://www.ok.gov/cleet/documents/airplane%20faq.pdf
Ummm yes you can, it's called a "flying while armed" form and any LEO would/Should know that.
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Originally posted by luvmylilangels
How rude. Of course he knows his options but there is always some scenario that does not fit the case. He can bring it on a plane(in fact they like to have law enforcement on the plane) with the proper paperwork. But a cruise is something we are both unfamiliar with in this area. He is more concerned about bringing it for the drive. Not bringing it on board. In fact he doesn't want it on board. He just had the thought of what to do with it while on the cruise. If you could see the things that he sees happen to people, even who are just driving through on their vacation, you would want to bring a gun too. We will be driving in unfamiliar areas and mostly at night so I feel very comfortable with him bringing his gun on our drive. I am just asking on the board for an in general in case someone has had this same situation(BTW Thank You PeterPan). Of course when all is said and done we will have to call Royal Caribbean. Although it sounds like we already have the answer. He by no means said, "Gee Honey can you go ask the cruise board?" Come on now. I sure hope you respect the the law enforcement in your community better than you do those on this board.
I thought that comment was pretty rude myself. Thank your husband for serving.
I think calling the line is the best. I did see a machete in the security room when my iron/steamer was confinscated so maybe they would hold it there. Not sure. Good luck and have a great cruise and don't let the rude people bother you!
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I suggest a locked box of some type (perhaps a tool box) that can be locked in the trunk of your car while you are cruising. And being discreet while locking it up and walking away from the car.
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Originally posted by Kimidfw
I thought that comment was pretty rude myself. Thank your husband for serving.
I think calling the line is the best. I did see a machete in the security room when my iron/steamer was confinscated so maybe they would hold it there. Not sure. Good luck and have a great cruise and don't let the rude people bother you!
Thank you so much! Rude people are so hard to ignore but at this point I will not let them bother me. I got my answer and I thank you all for your help.
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Originally posted by luvmylilangels
Ummm yes you can, it's called a DOD 110B form and any LEO would/Should know that.

Post a link, please. Google shows nothing about a DOD 110B form.
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§ 1544.219 Carriage of accessible weapons.
(a) Flights for which screening is conducted. The provisions of §1544.201(d), with respect to accessible weapons, do not apply to a law enforcement officer (LEO) aboard a flight for which screening is required if the requirements of this section are met. Paragraph (a) of this section does not apply to a Federal Air Marshal on duty status under §1544.223.

(1) Unless otherwise authorized by TSA, the armed LEO must meet the following requirements:

(i) Be a Federal law enforcement officer or a full-time municipal, county, or state law enforcement officer who is a direct employee of a government agency.

(ii) Be sworn and commissioned to enforce criminal statutes or immigration statutes.

(iii) Be authorized by the employing agency to have the weapon in connection with assigned duties.

(iv) Has completed the training program “Law Enforcement Officers Flying Armed.”

(2) In addition to the requirements of paragraph (a)(1) of this section, the armed LEO must have a need to have the weapon accessible from the time he or she would otherwise check the weapon until the time it would be claimed after deplaning. The need to have the weapon accessible must be determined by the employing agency, department, or service and be based on one of the following:

(i) The provision of protective duty, for instance, assigned to a principal or advance team, or on travel required to be prepared to engage in a protective function.

(ii) The conduct of a hazardous surveillance operation.

(iii) On official travel required to report to another location, armed and prepared for duty.

(iv) Employed as a Federal LEO, whether or not on official travel, and armed in accordance with an agency-wide policy governing that type of travel established by the employing agency by directive or policy statement.

(v) Control of a prisoner, in accordance with §1544.221, or an armed LEO on a round trip ticket returning from escorting, or traveling to pick up, a prisoner.

(vi) TSA Federal Air Marshal on duty status.

(3) The armed LEO must comply with the following notification requirements:

(i) All armed LEOs must notify the aircraft operator of the flight(s) on which he or she needs to have the weapon accessible at least 1 hour, or in an emergency as soon as practicable, before departure.

(ii) Identify himself or herself to the aircraft operator by presenting credentials that include a clear full-face picture, the signature of the armed LEO, and the signature of the authorizing official of the agency, service, or department or the official seal of the agency, service, or department. A badge, shield, or similar device may not be used, or accepted, as the sole means of identification.

(iii) If the armed LEO is a State, county, or municipal law enforcement officer, he or she must present an original letter of authority, signed by an authorizing official from his or her employing agency, service or department, confirming the need to travel armed and detailing the itinerary of the travel while armed.

(iv) If the armed LEO is an escort for a foreign official then this paragraph (a)(3) may be satisfied by a State Department notification.

(4) The aircraft operator must do the following:

(i) Obtain information or documentation required in paragraphs (a)(3)(ii), (iii), and (iv) of this section.

(ii) Advise the armed LEO, before boarding, of the aircraft operator's procedures for carrying out this section.

(iii) Have the LEO confirm he/she has completed the training program “Law Enforcement Officers Flying Armed” as required by TSA, unless otherwise authorized by TSA.

(iv) Ensure that the identity of the armed LEO is known to the appropriate personnel who are responsible for security during the boarding of the aircraft.

(v) Notify the pilot in command and other appropriate crewmembers, of the location of each armed LEO aboard the aircraft. Notify any other armed LEO of the location of each armed LEO, including FAM's. Under circumstances described in the security program, the aircraft operator must not close the doors until the notification is complete.

(vi) Ensure that the information required in paragraphs (a)(3)(i) and (ii) of this section is furnished to the flight crew of each additional connecting flight by the Ground Security Coordinator or other designated agent at each location.

(b) Flights for which screening is not conducted. The provisions of §1544.201(d), with respect to accessible weapons, do not apply to a LEO aboard a flight for which screening is not required if the requirements of paragraphs (a)(1), (3), and (4) of this section are met.

(c) Alcohol. (1) No aircraft operator may serve any alcoholic beverage to an armed LEO.

(2) No armed LEO may:

(i) Consume any alcoholic beverage while aboard an aircraft operated by an aircraft operator.

(ii) Board an aircraft armed if they have consumed an alcoholic beverage within the previous 8 hours.

(d) Location of weapon. (1) Any individual traveling aboard an aircraft while armed must at all times keep their weapon:

(i) Concealed and out of view, either on their person or in immediate reach, if the armed LEO is not in uniform.

(ii) On their person, if the armed LEO is in uniform.

(2) No individual may place a weapon in an overhead storage bin.
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Originally posted by luvmylilangels
If you could see the things that he sees happen to people, even who are just driving through on their vacation, you would want to bring a gun too.
I agree. And as a concealed weapons license holder with personal defense firearms training, I carry most everywhere on land that I can by law but when it comes to cruising, the pistola stays on land

They simply will NOT let him board with it no matter what kinda LEO he is.

Enjoy your cruise!
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