Brilliance o/t Seas passenger suing RCI over death of wife in storm off Alexandria

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Very very sad, I feel for the gentleman and his family.

Having read the newspaper, I was surprised to read that propellers could be seen coming out of the water, and wondered from where could they be seen, this was obviously one h*** of a storm.
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How very sad to hear, thoughts are with the family. I honestly agree with the passengers as to not understanding why the captain didn't stay in port until the storm passes rather then risking the ship, the crew and the passengers lives.

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Originally posted by Cruise_Kitten
I honestly agree with the passengers as to not understanding why the captain didn't stay in port until the storm passes rather then risking the ship, the crew and the passengers lives.

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That is the big question surrounding this whole incident....why did RCI send Brilliance to Alexandria that night when other cruise lines either stayed in port or diverted elsewhere to avoid the weather.

The captain on Brilliance claims that the weather was worse than what actually forecast, yet that weather forecast would have been recieved by other captains on other ships (IIRC MSC Splendida was one) and the other captains did not proceed to Alexandria.

The only cruise ship to proceed as normal was Brilliance. I am not one to apportion blame or to encourage lawsuits against a cruise line very often (as most are somewhat spurious) but in this case, I really do feel that RCI not only dropped the ball but kicked it way off field too.

The last paragraph of the newspaper piece speaks volumes...how RCI are continuing to do everything they can to assist this family. Ordinarily a cruise line would issue a standard apology plus refund or compensation and leave it at that...but this time, almost a month after the storm, they are still active with this family. Call me cynical but that smells of guilt just a tiny bit.

This poor husband and their family have lost what sounds like a wonderful woman through no fault of their own...rough seas are something that we cruisers know can happen and usually a captain will move heaven and earth to skirt around or avoid it......this time a major error of judgement was made and someone has to be held accountable, its just sad that it has taken a death to gain that accountability.
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This is so sad. I hope this causes a full investigation into what really happened. To lose your life because of carelessness or to make a buck is beyond words.
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I didn't know that modern gas turbine propulsion systems still had propellers

"I saw the propellers lifting out of the sea. We were on the tenth floor and the waves seemed inches away."
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Originally posted by RMM75
I didn't know that modern gas turbine propulsion systems still had propellers
It is completely possible that the propulsion units were seen that night.

Visualise a ship pitching & rolling to around 30% in 45ft+ seas without stabilisers deployed (as was reported at the time regarding the stabilisers). That ship would have been like a cork in a whirlpool.
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Very sad she died as a possible result of the bad weather experience. Getting a head injury definitly is bad news.

I hope though if it ends up in a court room the solicitor/attorney will be smart enough to not have wittness statements about seeing waves at deck 10...especially since that is roughly 100' above the water line.

As for RCCL still helping the family, that is the right thing to do in a very serious injury/death situation. A quick refund and a kick in the rear would not come close to being enough help...
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Originally posted by Rancher Dave
Very sad she died as a possible result of the bad weather experience. Getting a head injury definitly is bad news.

I hope though if it ends up in a court room the solicitor/attorney will be smart enough to not have wittness statements about seeing waves at deck 10...especially since that is roughly 100' above the water line.

As for RCCL still helping the family, that is the right thing to do in a very serious injury/death situation. A quick refund and a kick in the rear would not come close to being enough help...
30% list in 45ft+ seas...deck ten would be almost on the waterline...so seeing waves hit deck ten windows is more than conceivable....

Smaller ship but same principle...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVoMtPFtEg0

Watch the entire video, the ship leans right over, the sea height gets way up the sides. The video is from the Med too, incase anyone doubts that the Med can be so bad.

Or Diamond Princess...larger ship but with stabilisers deployed, no list as such but those seas certainly made it quite high....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asLJRx56qMU
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Originally posted by RMM75
I didn't know that modern gas turbine propulsion systems still had propellers
The gas turbines drive generators. The propellers are electric pod type propellers like those on Voyager/Freedom/Oasis class.
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Originally posted by Goldryder
It is completely possible that the propulsion units were seen that night.

Visualise a ship pitching & rolling to around 30% in 45ft+ seas without stabilisers deployed (as was reported at the time regarding the stabilisers). That ship would have been like a cork in a whirlpool.
One could have probably been able to see the propulsion pods, but not from the same ship. They would have had to lean pretty far over the railing to be able to see something that's under the ship.
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My questions would be was there a triage set up to assess injuries? If they did who did the assessments MD or RN? She was complainig of headaches and N/V.... a patient that had blunt head trauma should have been on concusion watch and those are classic symptoms of a concussion..
So it isnt just the Captain that made an error.... the medical staff is liable for the loss of his wife as well
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Originally posted by RMM75
I didn't know that modern gas turbine propulsion systems still had propellers
What exactly do you think propells the ship through the water if not the propellers?

The propellers are mounted on azipods and driven by electric motors. The power for the electric motors comes from gas turbine generators.
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Originally posted by jonbgd
My questions would be was there a triage set up to assess injuries? If they did who did the assessments MD or RN? She was complainig of headaches and N/V.... a patient that had blunt head trauma should have been on concusion watch and those are classic symptoms of a concussion..
So it isnt just the Captain that made an error.... the medical staff is liable for the loss of his wife as well
Absolutely...this will no doubt hopefully be a part of the investigation carried out by the gentleman's lawyers.

Why was this passenger not monitored more closely, especially as she appears to have been showing classic symptons of a serious head injury.

Leaving her husband to care for her in the cabin is not good enough, he has no medical background or skills. He probably would not have known that he needed to keep her awake and not let her drift off to sleep with a head injury, especially after she had been vomiting so much....the poor man must have been frantic...

The medical staff may have had over 130 people with a variety of injuries but as you ask, where was the triage, where were the staff to sort out who was the most injured and get them treated appropriately?
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I feel so bad for this man to have had this happen to him. I hope there is a full investigation as to why the ship left port. I can't believe with all of the radar technology that no one knew how bad it was. How did other cruise lines know to either not leave port or choose a different port? The captain should be held accountable as the medical staff.
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Originally posted by Goldryder
30% list in 45ft+ seas...deck ten would be almost on the waterline...so seeing waves hit deck ten windows is more than conceivable....

Smaller ship but same principle...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVoMtPFtEg0

Watch the entire video, the ship leans right over, the sea height gets way up the sides. The video is from the Med too, incase anyone doubts that the Med can be so bad.

Or Diamond Princess...larger ship but with stabilisers deployed, no list as such but those seas certainly made it quite high....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asLJRx56qMU
There was not a 30% list...Even then a 45foot wave would not hit deck 10.
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Originally posted by RMM75
One could have probably been able to see the propulsion pods, but not from the same ship. They would have had to lean pretty far over the railing to be able to see something that's under the ship.
Totally agree here....

One would be way over the side, like on a rope hanging under the hull? The props should be totally underneath the ship or they couldn't pull up so close to the dock...

It may have been possible to see props on other ships, but I'd kind of doubt that as well. As we all know some folks like to really exagerate so their statements get them into the press, which we all know the press loves to see!
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Originally posted by jonbgd
My questions would be was there a triage set up to assess injuries? If they did who did the assessments MD or RN? She was complainig of headaches and N/V.... a patient that had blunt head trauma should have been on concusion watch and those are classic symptoms of a concussion..
So it isnt just the Captain that made an error.... the medical staff is liable for the loss of his wife as well
And if the family just tried to self treat...there would be a whole different issue then. My reference being to care sought immediately after getting her head smacked around, not waiting until she was unconscious.

Let's hope that the family really did seek and get appropriate treatment on the ship as malpractice on the part of the medical staff will create some big issues to be debated on here....

Of course on the ship there is no MRI, presume no CT either but who knows these days maybe... so they may have donw what they could and it boiled down to on shore treatment.
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Originally posted by Rancher Dave
Totally agree here....

One would be way over the side, like on a rope hanging under the hull? The props should be totally underneath the ship or they couldn't pull up so close to the dock...

It may have been possible to see props on other ships, but I'd kind of doubt that as well. As we all know some folks like to really exagerate so their statements get them into the press, which we all know the press loves to see!
I spose you also accuse this poor man of exaggerating the death of his wife too just to get into the media, eh?...

For goodness sakes man, show a bit of compassion to this gentleman who went on a cruise with a wife who was alive and well and had to go through the trauma of seeing her slip away from him, ultimately turning off her life support machine!

So what if he said anything about the props being visible...where you on board too...did you see what happened...?

This man watching his beloved wife get seriously hurt in a totally preventable incident, he then had to sit and hold her hand as pray that she would wake up from a coma....that is no exaggeration, that is real pain and anguish and far more important than whether or not he saw the props out of the water.

Sheesh...some people have no heart....put yourself into that man's shoes, what would you be feeling right now?
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Originally posted by Rancher Dave
And if the family just tried to self treat...there would be a whole different issue then. My reference being to care sought immediately after getting her head smacked around, not waiting until she was unconscious.

Let's hope that the family really did seek and get appropriate treatment on the ship as malpractice on the part of the medical staff will create some big issues to be debated on here...
It doesn't look that way. It looks like they went ashore to walk around, not to find medical assistance. But maybe he didn't know the signs of a brain injury? Its very possible.

Around here, hitting your head, then throwing up would send warning bells and flashing lights. But that's in my house. We look out for stuff like that. We have had enough medical emergencies to look out for head injuries (which we have had).

Very sad.
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