Anyone ever have a problem with officers onboard

[Lois R]

Hi Neal
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"I wish the search function was working. I would love to check back on some earlier posts."

Neal...the original poster only has 4 posts....
Quite easy to pull them up actually.

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[Blazerboy]

Having followed this thread, I find it curious that Socagirl list her occupation as Cruise Consultant. Not that a cruise consultant couldn't get harrassed, but you'd think she'd have pretty good access to the managemment at the line concerned in the incident she originally described.

Blazer Boy

[nealberk]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lois R:
Hi Neal
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"I wish the search function was working. I would love to check back on some earlier posts."

Neal...the original poster only has 4 posts....
Quite easy to pull them up actually.
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You make it too easy, Lois. I was trying to use the search feature to bring up any and all posts to see if there was a pattern. Didn't think about using the little number at the bottom of the post.

Sometimes I can't see the forest for the trees.

[slavearlen]

Well, back to the original question from Socagirl. I have sailed Celebrity (assuming it is Celebrity she is referring to) and NEVER have I experienced any form of bad behavior with their crew, officers or otherwise. In fact, I sail with Celebrity primarily because of the crew and the officers and their impeccable manners towards us. Having said that, every group has a bad apple. But I can assure you this .. if I had refused a drink or dance with a gentleman and he then approached me by grabbing my hand and pulling me towards the dance floor, I seriously doubt I would have to file a complaint. He would end up on his rear on the floor and the attention that would bring would certainly get results. No is no in any language and in any country. I certainly hope this occured on Carnival.

[bovs]

I agree with slavearlen, a good hard shove and shouting, "I told you to leave me alone. I don't want to dance with you!" very loudly, would I'm sure embarrass any man who tried what he did. If not, asking, "Are there any gentlemen here who can help me?" will usually get several offers of help to deal with a guy that doesn't understand the meaning of no."
As for the officers taking over a public room late at night, I too, have seen several of them hanging out and drinking at the discos. I have witnessed this on more than one occassion, so it must be a regular habit. They weren't there to shoot pool...............

[ccletzgo]

WE had a problem with our waiter on a royal cruise. He was being way too personal with my 18 (at the time) daughter. Even with both her parents sitting right there. The last two nights I put her between her dad and I, and still it continued. On the last night he asked her if he could have a kiss. (right there in front of us all as we where leaving the table and saying our good byes) That is when I spoke up and told him he had crossed the line. His tip was on the low side because of how I was feeling during the week, but had I not tipped him before the "kiss" call, he would have recieved nothing. !
We have always had to keep a very watch full eye on her when we cruise. She is drop dead gorgeous, and crew members are always pointing and talking behind her back. We see it, more then she does, so she is never left alone.

[babs-d]

I can't say this was a problem but it was a little weird. I took my two daughters, 19 & 22 on a mother-daughters cruise recently aboard Celebrity. On day two we were enjoying the duo in the rendezvous lounge before dinner when the waiter approached us and said an officer would like to buy us drinks. I asked where the officer was and the waiter said he had just passed through and wasn't there anymore. So we graciously accepted the drinks and told the waiter to thank him if he saw him again. Later that evening in the disco we were approached by an officer who offered to buy us drinks. We thanked him for the offer but told him we were tired and weren't going to be staying long. He set his drink down on our table and went over and used the phone by the bar. He then sat down with a lone woman sitting at the bar. We left and went back to our room. The next sea day we were by the pool and the waiter brought us 3 pina colada's. We took them and I asked him who they were from and he handed me a note. This is what the note read:

I will be waiting you at Cova Cafe at 17:00 to offer you a coffee. Please be on time with your daughters.

Well, this really freaked my older daughter out. The part about being on time bothered her. I didn't think too much of it. I felt rude accepting the drinks and not going but I knew my daughters were uncomfortable with it, so we didn't go. Later that evening as we were in our room getting ready for dinner the phone rang for the first and only time the whole cruise. My younger daughter jumped at the chance to be able to talk on the phone, she must have been in withdrawl. It was the officer once again asking if we enjoyed our day and the drinks he sent us. He didn't ask why we didn't show at the Cova Cafe. He did ask her what our plans were for the evening. He said he had to steer the ship from 8-12 but would look for us in the disco. She didn't agree to anything and hung up. Well, after this we were definitly uncomfortable with the situation. How did he know which cabin we were in? We never told him our names. Do they have cameras in the halls? Was he watching us that closely? Well, after dinner we did go to the disco but we were sure to leave before midnight. We disembarked the next day and never saw or heard from him again. We thoroughly enjoyed our cruise. Everything was wonderful. Will this incident sway us from cruising again? Certainly not!

[Lois R]

hi...interesting stories for sure but one thing I have noticed...the originalposter started this topic and never came back..I wonder if it is because she posted that she was married and cruising with her hubby on another thread and just felt like starting something on this board.....hmmmm

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[10s nut]

Lo..Remind me to tell you the story about the NCL captain and his first officer. It happened on my first trip to Bermuda. Honestly, people are people, regardless of a uniform and responsibility. Lack of integrity shows up in strange places.

[tuggers]

I am assuming that this original scene did not happen, but if it did, I for one, would have gone directly to my cabin and called the ship's Captain. I'm not saying I would have gotten him, but I would have been asking for him and I can bet I would have had someone in my cabin taking a report, copy of which would have been in Jack Williams hands as soon as I got to a port and a fax machine. There is no excuse for conduct such as that and I for one do not want to pay one dollar more for my cruise because X had to pay out some big settlement caused by a staff member who could not remember he was a gentleman!

Going on CENTURY! Third X Cruise In Four Months!

[Marie Stevens]

I think the person posting this obvious bunch of baloney is getting a big kick out of how she pulled our strings.

Zenith - Baltimore to Barbados, 2001
Zenith - Barbados to Tampa 2001
Summit - Panama Canal 2003
Infinity - Hawaii -2003
Millenium - Eastern Carribean 2004
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[10s nut]

Amen to that!

[Host Walt]

Whether the incident described in the starter post actually occurred or not, the issue is a legitimate one.

The problem is that, frequently, it is the stuff of "urban legends" where the facts are exaggerated, sometimes greatly exaggerated.

The right answer is that the people on a ship are no different than those anywhere else and basic common sense must prevail.

Any incidents on board a ship that makes anyone uncomfortable are best reported immediately with specifics, especially the name of the offender. If an officer is not wearing any name tag, be sure to provide a comprehensive physical description.

Walt Tuthill
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[Lois R]

Walt, I believe we all agree it is a legitimate issue.
What bothers me the most is just the fact that someone would say it happened to them if it really didn't. Call me Naive or gullable or whatever you want...but isn't that what they call "CRYING WOLF"....
Why anyone..man, woman, whoever...would say an incident happened to them if it didn't is beyond me. If you read the Original posters past 5 or so postings, she clearly states she is married and is looking for others to sail with...then she comes on here says she is in her 30's and single....
Which is it?
I agree with Tuggers....and it would be been alerted to a person in "management" right away.

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[bovs]

I guess I am fascinated by the people who are trying so hard to say the stories can't be true. Is that the reason so many women never report rape? Think about it!

[CruiserJen]

Originally Posted by G_Man

A good finger poke in the eye would have released that wrist grab promptly

Interesting post. As a single 28 y.o., I rarely travel alone, but usually with a fun group of friends. Not to say other single people don't or shouldn't travel alone -- not saying that at all, so don't flame me.

Not convinced this poster isn't conning us, but I do know these situations do occur on board. My friends and I have had a few interesting experiences with staff on board. Some more fun than others. Many single travelers actually seek out the crew/officers to party with. Despite the policy against fraternizing, crew often find ways to get together with pax on the ship or while in port. Unfortunately, the ones I'm interested in are either gay or disinterested; and the crew/officers who have shown interest -- well not my type... I can attest that fraternizing does occur on board, but I do not recall ever encountering a situation where I could not dissuade an over-zealous crew member with a put down if it even went that far. That poke in the eye thing could work though !!

Interesting reading on the subject.....

Celebrity lost a MAJOR appeal in a rape case against a crew member. The jury exonerated the crew member, but the appeals court held Celebrity responsible for its employees behavior ... the traveler was awarded $1 million. See attached article in the Royal Gazette. I think the cruise lines and airlines will have to tighten up their policies in the future as this precedent will have an impact on these industries.

http://www.theroyalgazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?Date=20051101&Category=NEWS&ArtNo=11101018 5&SectionCat=&Template

In today's Arizona Republic, there is a large article about a passenger who disappeared from Mercury... so maybe that poke in the eye isn't such a great idea!! This is scary... how does someone disappear from a cruise ship?

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...0vanished.html

Jen

[Guia]

Originally Posted by bovs

I guess I am fascinated by the people who are trying so hard to say the stories can't be true. Is that the reason so many women never report rape? Think about it!

It is indeed the reason women fail to report assault. We had a poster on the Xpedition board a while back who alleged she was assaulted by a crew member in Port... I wondered reading the article if it was the same young woman. She was pretty distraught about what had happened to her and believe me, many posters were very nasty and rude... just like the jurors who were over-ruled by the Appeals Court.

I did read about this case and the Appeals court held Celebrity responsible for the employee's alleged behavior, even though the lower court did not convict the alleged rapist. It is a fascinating outcome.

The disappearance of the pax on board Mercury is still a mystery. I always thought cruise ships had cameras in place just in case someone went overboard.

Guia.

[cechase]

Originally Posted by Lois R

Walt, I believe we all agree it is a legitimate issue.
What bothers me the most is just the fact that someone would say it happened to them if it really didn't. Call me Naive or gullable or whatever you want...but isn't that what they call "CRYING WOLF"....
Why anyone..man, woman, whoever...would say an incident happened to them if it didn't is beyond me. If you read the Original posters past 5 or so postings, she clearly states she is married and is looking for others to sail with...then she comes on here says she is in her 30's and single....
Which is it?

Hi again Lois! I also agree that it is a legitimate issue to discuss - but we should focus on whether or not the original allegation posted is true or not. That means we have to look at the credibility of the original poster. Based on research done by other posters here, the original poster has in two postings [one here and one elsewhere] has made totally inconsistent statements. You just can not be in your 30's and single in one posting and being married and in your 30's and looking to party in another posting!

Lois, I don't know if you knew that I am a retired attorney, who often was appointed by the courts to sit as an arbitrator in cases. In the situation where a witness makes such inconsistent statements which are material as they are here, the law permits me to toss out the entire testimony of the witness.

Two other problems I see here. Many posters have asked the original poster which vessel was she on. No response. Another poster picked up on a statement by the original poster that she was a cruise consultant. [No link on that posting so can not verify it.]

On our four Celebrity cruises Nedra and I have not seen officers in the disco. However there is a good reason for that, I am 70 and Nedra is 65, and by the time the disco starts up, we are sound asleep.

Lois have a great cruise - will let you know about Mercury when we get back.

[dkjretired]

Originally Posted by Guia

It is indeed the reason women fail to report assault. We had a poster on the Xpedition board a while back who alleged she was assaulted by a crew member in Port... I wondered reading the article if it was the same young woman. She was pretty distraught about what had happened to her and believe me, many posters were very nasty and rude... just like the jurors who were over-ruled by the Appeals Court.

I did read about this case and the Appeals court held Celebrity responsible for the employee's alleged behavior, even though the lower court did not convict the alleged rapist. It is a fascinating outcome.

The disappearance of the pax on board Mercury is still a mystery. I always thought cruise ships had cameras in place just in case someone went overboard.

Guia.

Two seperate courts, one criminal, one civil, different systems completely and different burdens of proof plus in this case different countries. Same situation as OJ being found not guilty in criminal court but liable for the deaths in civil court except in this case the corporation was found liable.

[Guia]

I've never seen officers or employees in their uniforms in the disco either, but may be the original poster hung around the bar until the wee hours....
anything is possible, I guess..

Dkjretired -- do you think this ruling will impact the cruise and airline industries in any way?

Guia.