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Old March 20th, 2012, 04:23 PM
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It really is to bad they ( or someone ) discontinued the B.C. skill for OWD.
All I can say is that it is not tuff to master if you have good inst. and a good buddy.
I will also say it can be a skill you will often Need to Know !
Mastering this skill can make many of your dives much more enjoyable.
If you are worried about sinking after you remove your B.C. consider
wearing a snorkel vest under your Scuba B.C. ( no CO2 inflator ).
I use one as part of my std. equipment, at some point you Will Need To remove
your B.C. in the water ! Learn now before you actually need to Know How.
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Old March 20th, 2012, 05:10 PM
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It really is to bad they ( or someone ) discontinued the B.C. skill for OWD.
All I can say is that it is not tuff to master if you have good inst. and a good buddy.
I will also say it can be a skill you will often Need to Know !
Mastering this skill can make many of your dives much more enjoyable.
If you are worried about sinking after you remove your B.C. consider
wearing a snorkel vest under your Scuba B.C. ( no CO2 inflator ).
I use one as part of my std. equipment, at some point you Will Need To remove
your B.C. in the water ! Learn now before you actually need to Know How.
I lost the Edit.
Skin or Scuba diving is all about maximum comfort with your equipment/environment and elimination of stress.
Less Stress = more comfort or More comfort=less stress .
Both will get you more time in the water, more air in your tank and fewer/less chance of accidents.

The BC removal/replacement is one way your instructor can judge
your comfort/stress level.
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Old March 20th, 2012, 05:39 PM
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I actually went to a dive shop this afternoon and expressed my concern for having to take off and put on the BCD in the water. Told them that I had done it but it was very difficult for me. The DM there told me that was NOT one of the requirements for OW cert. Imagine my surprise.
That leaves me with the question: what do you do in case you must get out of your BCD underwater?
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Don't get me wrong, guys. I can get out of it, and damn quick. I just can't get the thing back on. I can also get rid of my weight belt pretty quickly also. Not sure whether I posted it earlier or not, but have had surgery on both shoulders and it's a little difficult reaching behind me. But, I can/could do it if my life depended on it.
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Old March 21st, 2012, 01:40 PM
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Many BC's have clips or buckles on the shoulder straps which make it much easier to get into and out of the BC. While I don't always use them myself, I notice that most times when I'm on a boat where the crew switches out the tanks for you between dives, the first thing they usually do once I'm seated is to unbuckle the shoulder straps. It's much quicker and easier to get out of the BC this way, and it would also make it less of a struggle for anyone with possible shoulder issues.

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Old March 21st, 2012, 02:38 PM
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It's not about getting out of it if your life depended on it, I'm sure you could.
It is more about finding a better way that works for you so you can get out of it
without the stress you seem to be giving the task.
If you are having range of motion issues then you need to find another way. Perhaps a smaller tank would work better for you, not as much mass to move.
Or a modified BC with grab loops where you need them, careful of getting them caught on crap you swim by or thru!!!!
Perhaps just adding more webbing to the straps you have would work, this would enable you to make larger loops you could swim into rather than pull over your head. You would need a way to secure the excess strap when you get everything on but that is a different issue.
My wife had "issues" with that task but they seemed to go away when I switched her to a smaller 50ft. tank. A smaller tank also means less work, less air consumed. The 50 will last her as long as many peoples 80 will last them.
She is not a tiny girl either, 5-6 130lbs.
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I certainly do appreciate all the advice and concern everyone has thrown my way thru-out this entire thread. Heck, I've almost learned more on here than I did in my class. And I'm really starting to get excited again about taking my refresher course and going for my OW cert in a muddy lake. We don't have another Carib cruise until Feb of next year, but if things work out, at least I'll be ready to go to 60' instead of having to stay at 40'. I think what I'm really trying to say here is.......HOPEFULLY I'll never be in a situation where I HAVE to rid myself of my vest. I just can't foresee myself in any dangerous spot. The only place we sail is the Carib(except she wants to go to Alaska(YUK)), so hopefully it'll all be nice clear water. I watch some of the diver shows on Discover and The History Channel and I would absolutely love to be able to do that, but I'm a realist. I know at my age that just ain't happenin', boys.
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For me, getting into the BC is easier in the water than out. A trick I learned back in the days when it was 2 straps and a steel plate helps.

When in the water:
Step 1, lay the BC out on the water in front of you with the regulator facing you and the tank below
Step 2, insert your arms into the BC straps
Step 3, do a really hard dolphin kick and roll head over heels into the BC.
Step 4, when you finish rolling into the BC, tighten the cumberbund (or waist cinch straps) and then adust the shoulder straps.

It is sort of like the old kid's trick of laying a jacket on the ground and rolling into it.

Most dive masters freak out the first time I do that to them. I will talk to the dive master and just tell him that I am going to toss my gear overboard and get into it in the water. About 80% will tell me flat out no, that I have to do it the "normal" way. The other 20% look at me like I have lost my mind, but say OK while thinking "what the h*ll, it should be amusing". Tossing your all gear in and putting it on in the water used to be a required skill way back in the day (I was first certified for scuba in 1974). As well as being able to completely swap your gear with your buddy while underwater. So people tend to freak out when I stop and take everything off to reset the tank or the hoses or fix something while sitting on the bottom.

When I take my own gear, I looked for a BC that has the front straps on snaplocks. So I unsnap the left side and slide my right arm in, lean back into the BC and then refasten the left side once the right side is seated correctly. When I use rental equipment that won't do that I have to loosen both sides of the upper straps as far as they will go and slide my right arm in, then lean forward to get my left arm in and then tighten the straps. Arthritis limits my range of motion on getting my arms through the straps. Worse case I ask the person on my left to help slide my arm in. Getting old is not for fraidy cats.

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I've put my bc on in the water on several occasions. Mine is a Zeagle Zena and it zips up like a vest. I slip my arms through it, lie on my back on the tank, and zip it up. No problem at all. I almost always remove it in the water and pass it up, also, before climbing back onboard.
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Thing is, there are many ways to do this and one of them will work for you.
If your instructor does not think it important to help you find one that works for you
then you need to think about finding a new instructor!
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Thing is, there are many ways to do this and one of them will work for you.
If your instructor does not think it important to help you find one that works for you
then you need to think about finding a new instructor!

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Hi guys, been awhile since I've posted. But, I've worried over this and pondered and about every other adjective you can think of, decided to go for the OW cert. I've gone back to the dive shop and doing some refresher courses, and we're going down to Table Rock in Missouri on the first weekend in May. Figure it's gonna be kinda cold so hopefully they'll have wetsuits for rent. The dive shop owner has been helping me out as to how to get in and out of the BC and it's really working good. I think I might have that down. I just have a bit of a balance problem sitting on the tank. But, that was the main thing I was concerned about. They have given me the list that each dive will entail and I plan on practicing on each and every one in the next 2 weeks. Hopefully next time I post on here concerning this, I will proudly be OW certified.

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Have decided to go back and refresh, and going to Table Rock Lake in Missouri over the first weekend in May to try and pass the OW cert. Have been going to the dive shop and practicing and the owner has helped me find a way in and out of the BC. Still having a little bit of balance problem on the tank. So, hopefully next time I post on here concerning this, I can proudly say I am now OW certified.

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Great news.
Just remember that once that reg. is in your mouth you have air, so take your time.
Neatness does not count nor does it really matter if you are heads up,heads down or side ways, water is a 3D environment.
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frediver,

I read your reply while I was drinking a beer, and spit a load all over the monitor. That was so funny. I can actually imagine me heads down or worse yet, sideways. My balance really sux, buddy. I don't know how I stay up on the bike as well as I do. But, anyway, I really appreciate the help.
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Glad you got a laugh, hope your monitor still works well enough to read the posts.
Diving should be fun, enjoy it, have another beer.
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For a DM and operator to take any new or novice diver into 8 foot swells is negligent at best and criminal at worst. What if the dive ladder or boat slammed down on you?

Strange that you want to get a scuba cert which has the 40' and DM restrictions, yet yoou say you are independent... Get the OW certification. You are going to make two more dives to get it. The OW cert doesn't mean that you have to dive deeper than 40' or that you don't have to dive with a DM.

As for your comment about a friend only being c-card checked once in an extensive dive career... In the last three years, I have been C-card checked by every operator I have dove with in the Caribbean... This included DO's on Cozumel, Grand Caymen, St. Thomas, St. Marteen, Aruba, Curacao, and Roatan. It is happening more often. A couple did not allow a diver without their C-card to dive. Now that bites... But they are being told to do so by their agencies apparently.

I didn't think I would take any "advanced" dive training, but when I got active, I took AOW, nitrox, and Rescue Diver. If you dive a lot, Rescue Diver is well worth the time and effort.

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Scuba Cruiser 54,

I will probably only dive about once a year, when we go on our yearly Feb cruise. So, not too worried about going any farther than the OW cert. And I can see now that the "scuba" cert would have been a waste of time. I don't imagine there are very many clubs that want to mess with just 40 footers. And you are right again. I will probably stay within the 40-60' and probably will NOT dive without a DM close. And thanks for the advice, buddy.

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I am taking my sons Diving 18020 22 Grand Turk with Blue water divers. Never dove before any suggestions
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