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#41
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Just a thought - since the OP seems to be entirely innocent, except by association, perhaps she should fight to get them to refund HER HALF of the cruise fare?
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#42
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Originally posted by LittleMissMagic
For real - everyone is fussing at the OP for not telling the "entire story," but I don't blame her. She was protecting her husband's dignity. Very admirable, in my opinion.

I do think it's a little messed up that people actually smuggle and attempt to smuggle alcohol onboard all the time, but he "smuggles" on a legal substance and can't board the ship? While the argument that he displayed the fact that he had the equipment to smuggle illegal substances onboard is definitely valid, I wouldn't ignore that the officers were probably embarassed/disappointed that they didn't have a real drug bust and wanted to make sure that in the end, they still won. Probably a mixture of a safety precaution and power trip.

But I think the wife should have been allowed to reboard if she wanted to (of course, why would she want to, but still). She was only guilty by association.
If she was "protecting her husband's dignity", why start the original thread to begin with?
#43
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Originally posted by sredish
100% in agreement with RCI and El Capitan on this one, folks. And no, they should NOT get a dime back of their money. Plain ole tobacco and roll your own papers are one thing...but hookah and a pipe hidden in the bottom of a false hairspray can?? Pipes are used for a whole lot more than hookah and to ME that screams intent to purchase. And if hookah is the only thing to have ever been smoked in that ole pipe, then I'll gladly buy them a future cruise.

I feel pretty duped because I agreed with the OP and felt so sorry for her. I imagined myself and what I would feel like had my anniversary trip been ripped from my hands.

Why on earth would she come on here and post a story with more holes than swiss cheese and THEN admit to CC to a totally different story and THEN contact attorneys?? Good luck with that one, sister.

Mary, Mary quite contrary.
Good thing you are not a judge or in law enforcement!
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#44
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Originally posted by BecciBoo
The law of the land in this country is still "Innocent until proven guilty" but the price for being guilty was paid in full by this couple. That's how I see it. I bet they win their suite.
Except this is a situation between RCI and the OP. "Innocent until proven guilty" doesn't really apply in this case.

I can understand why RCI deemed him high risk, unfortunately. Putting it in the false bottom can was a big mistake.
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Originally posted by DaveG99
Good thing you are not a judge or in law enforcement!
Probably why I've never been chosen for jury duty. They never seem to like me.
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#46
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Originally posted by reallyitsmema
If she was "protecting her husband's dignity", why start the original thread to begin with?
Because she didn't know what to do and wanted help?
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#47
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I was actually suspicious at first, but the article kind of makes me vote for the couple. In one paragraph it states the RCI security tested the tobacco and it was positive (as a controlled substance), this is probably the only report the Captain got. Port officials said the test was negative (probably never conveyed to the Captain). I understand the possibility of dry running a smuggle test (because I thought that too). My issue is if RCI security said it tested positive and that it was destroyed, two things that were proven false later can they really be trusted to display good judgment? NOT...I think they were denied boarding because of misinformation to the captain. It's like Minority Report, I can't presume a criminal act based on "profiling"...

I have a right to pack any way I feel. I have a right to smoke any legal substance I chose (I don't smoke).
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#48
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Originally posted by johneeo
This is why I always use a "TobaccoRunner" for all of my smoke, and pack it right next to my RumRunners
I know those! They are made by the same company that markets the Cuban Cigar Runners!

Don't forget the Chiuaua Runners for people that want to sneak their pets onboard.!



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#49
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Originally posted by reallyitsmema
If she was "protecting her husband's dignity", why start the original thread to begin with?
Well I agree with this statement. Knowing what I know about Cruise Critic threads, it was really stupid to even mention it.

I do think it was poor judgment, but again, they were unfarely penalized.

And a "hookah" IS a pipe sredfish...a water pipe. He did not have a hookah. The variety of tobacco was named "Hookah summer something" there was no hookah involved. The pipe did not test positive either evidently.
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#50
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Originally posted by PH8
All I want to know is why didn't Hagerz tell us the part about the can with the false bottom?? Why did she say a baggie??
She hesitated to answer what her husband was going to smoke it with...she finally responded "with a pipe like Popeye used"....I don't ever remember Popeye using a "chamber-type pipe"

Do a search on Google for chamber-type pipe...this is what the results look like:

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#51
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Originally posted by LittleMissMagic
For real - everyone is fussing at the OP for not telling the "entire story," but I don't blame her. She was protecting her husband's dignity. Very admirable, in my opinion.
In all honesty then she shouldnt have went crying on the CC boards. Now they look even worse and all credibility pretty much gone! Be honest and up front from the start or dont say anything at all!!!
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Originally posted by monn_a
I have a right to pack any way I feel. I have a right to smoke any legal substance I chose (I don't smoke).
That's my bottom line and I don't smoke either, never did.
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#53
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Originally posted by bajathree
She hesitated to answer what her husband was going to smoke it with...she finally responded "with a pipe like Popeye used"....I don't ever remember Popeye using a "chamber-type pipe"

Do a search on Google for chamber-type pipe...this is what the results look like:

The Popeye I used to watch on Sat. morning on KTLA would not be caught dead with a pipe lke this, he was no Fancy-Man!!!
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Originally posted by BecciBoo
It was in a baggie, then in the can.

I have hidden my jewelry in an empty cold cream jar on trips before, should that have kept me from cruising? I don't see any difference. A legal item not mentioned in the contract in a legal container not mentioned in the contract and a lot of people who won't admit they were dead wrong and made a lot of assumptions which were groundless. The law of the land in this country is still "Innocent until proven guilty" but the price for being guilty was paid in full by this couple. That's how I see it. I bet they win their suite.
Sorry to jump in, but if I saw hidden jewellery in a false bottom can , I could understand it, its precious maybe sentimental and also expensive and you want to keep it safe, but why legal tobacco? if its legal he could have walked on with the stuff in his pocket
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Originally posted by Pomperaugrr
I know those! They are made by the same company that markets the Cuban Cigar Runners!

Don't forget the Chiuaua Runners for people that want to sneak their pets onboard.!

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Too funny!
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#56
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I'm far from a cruise expert having only been on soon to be my third but here is my 2c...
Was it stupid to hide it? Absolutely. Should they have been allowed to board after the test was negative AND offering to dispose of it? Absolutely. How many confiscated items has a cruise line taken (rum runners, rum walkers, rum joggers, irons, heating pads, microwaves) and NOT kicked anyone off the ship? Just sayin...
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#57
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Originally posted by sredish
I am 100% sure she knew about it. She wouldn't have asked him...huh...what's that other can of hairspray?
I have been 100% supportive of the couple.

Hey, you want to bring tobacco on a cruise in a dive bag or any other container, that is your right to do so.

But, a man taking hairspray on a cruise? That is a violation. Real men do not use hairspray.
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Originally posted by LittleMissMagic
Because she didn't know what to do and wanted help?
No one here was ever going to be able to help here without the whole story. Even with all the facts, her best option would have been to seek legal counsel. Hopefully, she has done that, finally.
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Popeye's Pipe was more like THIS!!
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Originally posted by BecciBoo
And a "hookah" IS a pipe sredfish...a water pipe. He did not have a hookah. The variety of tobacco was named "Hookah summer something" there was no hookah involved. The pipe did not test positive either evidently.[/size][/font]
I already corrected my mistake on my original post about ten minutes ago. My fingers were flying faster than my brain. And it isn't sredfish.
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