new diet

[mrmet1986]

watched a documentary on netflix called forks over knives. i am now sticking to a plant based diet, and also no added oils or dairy. im assuming there wont be anything besides fruits and vegetables to eat on my upcoming cruise. oil is in everything.

[Tutankhamen]

Most things in moderation for me.

good luck, I would last all of 2 hours before breaking that diet.

[zqvol]

Go back and rewatch your show. The right oils are fine in moderation. The real question is does any cruise line use the right oils, and the answer is probably not.

[crewsweeper]

If you are following this, please be sure you are getting enough protein form the right protein sources. Please make sure that you aren't missing in other nutrients as well. Some (but not necessarily all) vegeatrian/vegan type diets can be re-miss in supply all the necessary nutrients you need. Others encourage you to overconsume unneeded supplements as a counter balance. Also, as plants tend to fill you up quicker, so make sure you are getting the right amount of caloric intake to meet both your daily Basal Metabolic Rate needs to just stay alive and to adequately fuel any activities you may particiate in. Finally, research and learn about the socio-political agenda behind the documentary makers. Many of these scare type doc ( and I'm not familiar with nor seen "Forks over Knives" ) have very clear socio-economic-political agendas and are essentially rants against their opposites in the guise of nutritional education. As long as you are aware of this, maybe even in agreement with it, and are well-versed in the short falls of such a diet, then by all means I hope it works well for you.

[mrmet1986]

Originally Posted by zqvol

Go back and rewatch your show. The right oils are fine in moderation. The real question is does any cruise line use the right oils, and the answer is probably not.

not true. all oils inluding olive oil are 100 % fat. not permitted on this diet

[mrmet1986]

Originally Posted by crewsweeper

If you are following this, please be sure you are getting enough protein form the right protein sources. Please make sure that you aren't missing in other nutrients as well. Some (but not necessarily all) vegeatrian/vegan type diets can be re-miss in supply all the necessary nutrients you need. Others encourage you to overconsume unneeded supplements as a counter balance. Also, as plants tend to fill you up quicker, so make sure you are getting the right amount of caloric intake to meet both your daily Basal Metabolic Rate needs to just stay alive and to adequately fuel any activities you may particiate in. Finally, research and learn about the socio-political agenda behind the documentary makers. Many of these scare type doc ( and I'm not familiar with nor seen "Forks over Knives" ) have very clear socio-economic-political agendas and are essentially rants against their opposites in the guise of nutritional education. As long as you are aware of this, maybe even in agreement with it, and are well-versed in the short falls of such a diet, then by all means I hope it works well for you.

theres surely enough protein in plants. there is also penty more nutrients. only one ill be missing is b12. im sure theres agendas behind everything. i get it. but this is def a healthier lifestyle. it sucks taste wise and tofu makes me cring. but im doing this for health reasons i have

[RuthlessBoss]

Originally Posted by mrmet1986

not true. all oils inluding olive oil are 100 % fat. not permitted on this diet

I think you'd better rethink this diet, or at least get more info on it. Yes, olive oil is fat, fat in moderation is a body necessity and olive oil is the healthiest.

[pinkmaija]

Originally Posted by crewsweeper

If you are following this, please be sure you are getting enough protein form the right protein sources. Please make sure that you aren't missing in other nutrients as well. Some (but not necessarily all) vegeatrian/vegan type diets can be re-miss in supply all the necessary nutrients you need. Others encourage you to overconsume unneeded supplements as a counter balance. Also, as plants tend to fill you up quicker, so make sure you are getting the right amount of caloric intake to meet both your daily Basal Metabolic Rate needs to just stay alive and to adequately fuel any activities you may particiate in. Finally, research and learn about the socio-political agenda behind the documentary makers. Many of these scare type doc ( and I'm not familiar with nor seen "Forks over Knives" ) have very clear socio-economic-political agendas and are essentially rants against their opposites in the guise of nutritional education. As long as you are aware of this, maybe even in agreement with it, and are well-versed in the short falls of such a diet, then by all means I hope it works well for you.

Right on right on!

[zqvol]

Originally Posted by mrmet1986

not true. all oils inluding olive oil are 100 % fat. not permitted on this diet

Then you need to find a different diet. A proper diet will provide all required nutrients and allow you to lose or maintain your weight in a healthy fashion.

Originally Posted by mrmet1986

theres surely enough protein in plants. there is also penty more nutrients. only one ill be missing is b12. im sure theres agendas behind everything. i get it. but this is def a healthier lifestyle. it sucks taste wise and tofu makes me cring. but im doing this for health reasons i have

I urge you to check out this web site http://www.h3daily.com/ I promise you that it works, I know from personal experience. I was there last summer and that is 50 lbs ago, and I have been on three cruises since then.

[larkz]

It's a junk diet that doesn't bear any relationship to the diet that served two million years of human evolution.

Fats are perfectly fine. They occur in all of the richest and most nutritious protein sources, including meats, fowl, seafood, nuts and beans. They are the foundation of the human diet. They successfully sustained peoples of the near polar regions for tens of thousands of years. They allowed the human brain to develop and become what it is today.

Fruits, on the other hand, should be a tiny and insignificant part of your diet. They provide a dash of vitamins, a bit of fiber, and nothing more of value -- and they have been bred to reduce fiber while producing excessive sugars. And your healthy diet should be aimed squarely at eliminating all of the the diabetes-inducing fast carbohydrates such as white sugar, fructose, corn syrup, white flour, white rice, and starchy foods. Those things never occurred in the natural world in the kinds of quantities that we've been consuming them in our modern diet. Hence the obesity epidemic.

[pinkmaija]

Originally Posted by larkz

It's a junk diet that doesn't bear any relationship to the diet that served two million years of human evolution.

Fats are perfectly fine. They occur in all of the richest and most nutritious protein sources, including meats, fowl, seafood, nuts and beans. They are the foundation of the human diet. They successfully sustained peoples of the near polar regions for tens of thousands of years. They allowed the human brain to develop and become what it is today.

Fruits, on the other hand, should be a tiny and insignificant part of your diet. They provide a dash of vitamins, a bit of fiber, and nothing more of value -- and they have been bred to reduce fiber while producing excessive sugars. And your healthy diet should be aimed squarely at eliminating all of the the diabetes-inducing fast carbohydrates such as white sugar, fructose, corn syrup, white flour, white rice, and starchy foods. Those things never occurred in the natural world in the kinds of quantities that we've been consuming them in our modern diet. Hence the obesity epidemic.

Well said...have you read Why We Get Fat by Taubes?

[larkz]

Originally Posted by pinkmaija

Well said...have you read Why We Get Fat by Taubes?

As a matter of fact, yes! I read that after it was highly recommended by the Skeptics Society (promoting science-based skepticism). Taubes was credited for taking the time to actually review legitimate scientific research of the last hundred years. I think his findings are rock solid.

Having had a sister suddenly come down with diabetes in a family without a history of the disease -- she eats way way way too much sugar and white flour -- it struck me as a fairly reasonable conclusion that in this case it was caused by her habits. There's mounting evidence, cross-correlated by multiple valid studies showing we're killing ourselves with carbs.

[Oakman]

I have been following a plant based diet for well over a year now, and have been able to get off all of my medicines that I had previously taken. I no longer take medicine for high cholesterol, high blood pressure, or excessive triglycerides. All of my levels are normal or below. My own doctor was shocked at these results. Most medical professionals would rather write a prescription, than assist you with a lifestyle change. I have much more energy, lost weight (20 lbs.) and even get up and go to the gym daily (at 6AM)-something I thought only crazy people did. I feel better than many much younger than me-I am 56.
We recently returned from an excellent 7 night cruise on the Carnnival Liberty. When travelling, I try to do the best I can with my diet, and this trip prived no different. Plenty of options to choose from. In fact, the chef in the Main Dining Room even prepared special plant based meals for us when he found out our food preferences.
I figure that if I maintain my diet at home by cooking the foods that I need, small substitutions and changes in my diet while on vacation will not ruin the master plan.
This is a lifestyle, NOT A DIET. Not for everyone, but I am happier and healthier for it.

[mrmet1986]

Originally Posted by Oakman

I have been following a plant based diet for well over a year now, and have been able to get off all of my medicines that I had previously taken. I no longer take medicine for high cholesterol, high blood pressure, or excessive triglycerides. All of my levels are normal or below. My own doctor was shocked at these results. Most medical professionals would rather write a prescription, than assist you with a lifestyle change. I have much more energy, lost weight (20 lbs.) and even get up and go to the gym daily (at 6AM)-something I thought only crazy people did. I feel better than many much younger than me-I am 56.
We recently returned from an excellent 7 night cruise on the Carnnival Liberty. When travelling, I try to do the best I can with my diet, and this trip prived no different. Plenty of options to choose from. In fact, the chef in the Main Dining Room even prepared special plant based meals for us when he found out our food preferences.
I figure that if I maintain my diet at home by cooking the foods that I need, small substitutions and changes in my diet while on vacation will not ruin the master plan.
This is a lifestyle, NOT A DIET. Not for everyone, but I am happier and healthier for it.

finally someone without all these ignorant beliefs. the previous posts saying dont eat too much fruit or fats are good for you, were all pretty funny. most will make excuses because they dont have the will power. trying to debunk a plant based diet being great for your health is laughable. people follow the masses there entire life and want to criticise everyone that dosent. than some talked about not enough nutrition in our diet. lmao

[happy trailer]

I've been a vegetarian for over 30 years, and a vegan for almost two years.

My switching to a vegan lifestyle (plant based diet) was inspired by movies such as 'Forks over Knives', and several books, including 'The China Study' and 'Diet for a New America'. For the past couple of years, Bill Clinton has been promoting a plant based diet as a responsible way to protect the planet and to maintain personal health.

Since making the switch to a vegan diet, I've lost over 100 pounds (I exercise daily), and all my blood tests show healthy levels across the board. My resting heart rate is now in the mid 40's (yes!), and I am filled with energy.

I LOVE my diet! There are plenty of easy to find, delicious recipes for low fat, plant based diets. Tofu is not your only source of protein! Lentils, beans, seitan, and nuts are all delicious and versatile sources of protein. No need for processed foods- keep it simple, and your taste buds will discover something new and exciting with every bite.

I suggest you read 'The McDougall Plan' for important information about nutritional needs and hints to following a low fat plant based diet.

You do need to include some fat in your diet- McDougall suggests 10%, and I followed that by including some olive oil, avocados, and nuts in my diet as I was losing; I increased their amounts over time, but fats are probably still less than 20% of my daily consumption.

This is indeed, as Oakman says, a lifestyle, not a diet- and, oh, what a fabulous lifestyle!

I've cruised successfully as a vegan on Carnival, RCI, and Celebrity. Search for my posts of my experiences on those lines, and how my dining needs were easily and deliciously met.

Happily eating a grocery bag (and more!) filled with fruits, vegetables, and whole grains daily (you really need to make sure you are consuming enough calories, even when you are trying to lose weight) - did someone post that fruits should be limited? I start my day with several pieces of fruit

Ruth

[bigcraig]

If you stay under 3grams of fat per 100 calories you WILL lose weight, trust me I know. 86 lbs down in 10 weeks.

[happy trailer]

Originally Posted by bigcraig

If you stay under 3grams of fat per 100 calories you WILL lose weight, trust me I know. 86 lbs down in 10 weeks.

Craig- that's scary. Did you have gastric bypass surgery? It took me a year to lose my weight, and even I thought I lost too quickly. 86 lbs in 10 weeks- I hope you're under careful doctor's supervision, both as you are losing, and after, when you'll want to maintain your loss...

[bigcraig]

Originally Posted by happy trailer

Craig- that's scary. Did you have gastric bypass surgery? It took me a year to lose my weight, and even I thought I lost too quickly. 86 lbs in 10 weeks- I hope you're under careful doctor's supervision, both as you are losing, and after, when you'll want to maintain your loss...

I had Verticle Sleeve Gastrectomy and have finally learned how to eat properly after 51 years.
And yes I am under close dr supervision.
I even lost 45 lbs 6 months post op by following the 3g per 100 calorie rule plus eliminating caffeine, soda and sweets.
I feel great, no more snoring, no more CPAP, no more cholesterol meds, no more high blood pressure and my dr said I can still smoke.

[crewsweeper]

Originally Posted by happy trailer

I've been a vegetarian for over 30 years, and a vegan for almost two years.

My switching to a vegan lifestyle (plant based diet) was inspired by movies such as 'Forks over Knives', and several books, including 'The China Study' and 'Diet for a New America'. For the past couple of years, Bill Clinton has been promoting a plant based diet as a responsible way to protect the planet and to maintain personal health.

Since making the switch to a vegan diet, I've lost over 100 pounds (I exercise daily), and all my blood tests show healthy levels across the board. My resting heart rate is now in the mid 40's (yes!), and I am filled with energy.

I LOVE my diet! There are plenty of easy to find, delicious recipes for low fat, plant based diets. Tofu is not your only source of protein! Lentils, beans, seitan, and nuts are all delicious and versatile sources of protein. No need for processed foods- keep it simple, and your taste buds will discover something new and exciting with every bite.

I suggest you read 'The McDougall Plan' for important information about nutritional needs and hints to following a low fat plant based diet.

You do need to include some fat in your diet- McDougall suggests 10%, and I followed that by including some olive oil, avocados, and nuts in my diet as I was losing; I increased their amounts over time, but fats are probably still less than 20% of my daily consumption.

This is indeed, as Oakman says, a lifestyle, not a diet- and, oh, what a fabulous lifestyle!

I've cruised successfully as a vegan on Carnival, RCI, and Celebrity. Search for my posts of my experiences on those lines, and how my dining needs were easily and deliciously met.

Happily eating a grocery bag (and more!) filled with fruits, vegetables, and whole grains daily (you really need to make sure you are consuming enough calories, even when you are trying to lose weight) - did someone post that fruits should be limited? I start my day with several pieces of fruit

Ruth

First, congratulations on changing your lifestyle and losing all that weight. I'm glad that there are enough choices available on cruise ships that you can enjoy your cruises. At the risk of that sounding like a backhanded complement, not everyone has to go to such extremes to do this. It may take the extremes to get a person to change from a very unhealthy diet to one more beneficial, but that's not to say that that switch has to be a life long switch. There are more moderate and diverse and equally as healthful nutritional plans available. Most of these are indeed backed up by scientific studies, not anti-corporate vendetta, not new age woo woo, not "it's what the ancients did" false logic.

As far as Bill Clinton's, or any "celebrity"'s, endorsement of a diet plan, I put my trust in that about as far as I can spit (which is drooling down my chin).

[nbsjcruiser]

Originally Posted by crewsweeper

If you are following this, please be sure you are getting enough protein form the right protein sources. Please make sure that you aren't missing in other nutrients as well. Some (but not necessarily all) vegeatrian/vegan type diets can be re-miss in supply all the necessary nutrients you need. Others encourage you to overconsume unneeded supplements as a counter balance. Also, as plants tend to fill you up quicker, so make sure you are getting the right amount of caloric intake to meet both your daily Basal Metabolic Rate needs to just stay alive and to adequately fuel any activities you may particiate in. Finally, research and learn about the socio-political agenda behind the documentary makers. Many of these scare type doc ( and I'm not familiar with nor seen "Forks over Knives" ) have very clear socio-economic-political agendas and are essentially rants against their opposites in the guise of nutritional education. As long as you are aware of this, maybe even in agreement with it, and are well-versed in the short falls of such a diet, then by all means I hope it works well for you.

Well said. I'd add that the OP should see their doctor before embarking on a diet like that. Its not a cure all. Ask Robin Gibb. He was a vegan for years and sadly still succumbed to cancer in the end. There's so many documentaries nowadays, its hard to tell the difference between truth and fiction.

Everything in moderation.