Fascination Man Overboard 8-27-12? (MERGED THREADS)

[Aquahound]

I know there is a lot of assumption going around right now, but this story has a lot more to it that will come out in the coming days. This does not appear to be pre-planned. There was an alarming chain of events that ocurred aboard. I can't share much right now becuase it is under investigation, but I will be happy to share details a little later.

[jeanneful]

Originally Posted by Luckysll

What an incredibly ignorant statement to make! I'm sure you thought you were being clever, but to make a joke of someone's suicide just makes you look ridiculous.

My thoughts go out to the man's family, who are no doubt devestated.

I agree!!

[Macklovin38]

Originally Posted by Aquahound

I know there is a lot of assumption going around right now, but this story has a lot more to it that will come out in the coming days. This does not appear to be pre-planned. There was an alarming chain of events that ocurred aboard. I can't share much right now becuase it is under investigation, but I will be happy to share details a little later.

Please let us know as soon as you are able. Thanks.

[jonbgd]

Originally Posted by kyrisong1

I'll put my two cents worth in because I work with this and I have personal experience in it too.
No compassion for someone that is in such mental anguish they can think of nothing else they can do to get relief from the pain except to destroy themselves? Just wow!!
Most suicides have nothing to do with anyone except for the person doing it, it's not to get back at someone or hurt another, it's because they can't take the pain.
My nephew had PTSD from the military, killing someone was something that ran through his brain all the time, he couldnt' sleep or function, so he drank, which created more depression and more dependence on substances, so add addiction to PTSD and severe depression.
He was inpatient after a serious attempt to hang himself, he was detoxed, and had therapy, medications. But then out in the real world things fell apart for him and he hung himself, quietly in the middle of the night at a lake. He didn't want to hurt anyone else, but just couldnt' take the pain anymore.
I work with people that are suicidal almost every time I go to work and they are not selfish or bad, they are people in mental anguish.
For those that we can help to get better it's a huge accomplishment.
For those that cannot find pity and a prayer in your heart for someone that commits suicide, I'm sorry for you.
God does tend to show us not to let our pride make us too big for loving one another. Or Karma is another way of putting it if you don't believe in God.
Prayers to the man I hope he doesn't hurt anymore
Carole
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Im sorry for your loss. I say this with the utmost respect..... You are a better person than me. Ive never understood Psych.
Give me a GSW or tibfib fx or a ruptured AAA or even a mass casualty situation, I know exactly what to do. When it comes to mental issues I have no clue.

[halos]

We had a 'jumper' on our last CCL cruise. He jumped from the Serenity deck, as we were at the exact midway point between CA and Hawaii.

Passengers were wonderful...concerned, empathetic and I was happy to be a member of the human race in those moments.
The jokes and comments DID fly around, however they all started AFTER the guy was pulled back aboard alive. Most of that was just a release for people. You can imagine how horrific it is to be in the middle of the ocean and know that someone is out there.

[HarpHarp]

Originally Posted by jonbgd

Im sorry for your loss. I say this with the utmost respect..... You are a better person than me. Ive never understood Psych.
Give me a GSW or tibfib fx or a ruptured AAA or even a mass casualty situation, I know exactly what to do. When it comes to mental issues I have no clue.

Er Doc or surgeon no doubt. Lots of skills, not much in the bedside manner dpt. Be nice to your nurses,they help your patients more that you know
Your remark was just typical medical "black humor", so no need to beat yourself up over it.

We don't know why it happened. All we can do is express sympathy for for the young man & his family.

[lyndamr]

I get the feeling it does appear there is more to this story...who knows fight broke out he got pushed over...maybe he was so hurt about something it may not be suicide....guess we wait to find out so sad.....

[NCTribeFan]

Originally Posted by Aquahound

I know there is a lot of assumption going around right now, but this story has a lot more to it that will come out in the coming days. This does not appear to be pre-planned. There was an alarming chain of events that ocurred aboard. I can't share much right now becuase it is under investigation, but I will be happy to share details a little later.

Callous, unfeeling person here (I suppose).

I cannot comprehend why this is of any interest whatsoever to anyone not directly involved with the person or his immediate family.

It's just morbid curiosity and it turns my stomach.

Why does anyone here need to know what happened? It's no one's business!

I'm sure everyone also slows down to get a good look at wrecks on their way home, too.

[crusinpsychRN]

Originally Posted by jonbgd

Im sorry for your loss. I say this with the utmost respect..... You are a better person than me. Ive never understood Psych.
Give me a GSW or tibfib fx or a ruptured AAA or even a mass casualty situation, I know exactly what to do. When it comes to mental issues I have no clue.

Go back to class. You'll do ALL the victims a service. BTW, it's not a GSW, it's a person WITH a GSW.

Suicide is not always well planned but can be a very impulsive act, one if not successful, the person is glad didn't work when they get the help they need.

Too many of us on this board have been personally affected by this horrible act that bores a hole in your heart that no amount of anything can close.

[patticake1129]

It does seem to happen more commonly than one would think. It's still sad regardless of the circumstances. Sympathy to his family

[deeluvs2cruise]

Originally Posted by kyrisong1

I'll put my two cents worth in because I work with this and I have personal experience in it too.
No compassion for someone that is in such mental anguish they can think of nothing else they can do to get relief from the pain except to destroy themselves? Just wow!!
Most suicides have nothing to do with anyone except for the person doing it, it's not to get back at someone or hurt another, it's because they can't take the pain.
My nephew had PTSD from the military, killing someone was something that ran through his brain all the time, he couldnt' sleep or function, so he drank, which created more depression and more dependence on substances, so add addiction to PTSD and severe depression.
He was inpatient after a serious attempt to hang himself, he was detoxed, and had therapy, medications. But then out in the real world things fell apart for him and he hung himself, quietly in the middle of the night at a lake. He didn't want to hurt anyone else, but just couldnt' take the pain anymore.
I work with people that are suicidal almost every time I go to work and they are not selfish or bad, they are people in mental anguish.
For those that we can help to get better it's a huge accomplishment.
For those that cannot find pity and a prayer in your heart for someone that commits suicide, I'm sorry for you.
God does tend to show us not to let our pride make us too big for loving one another. Or Karma is another way of putting it if you don't believe in God.
Prayers to the man I hope he doesn't hurt anymore
Carole
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Very well stated, compassionate post.

[Aquahound]

Originally Posted by NCTribeFan

Callous, unfeeling person here (I suppose).

I cannot comprehend why this is of any interest whatsoever to anyone not directly involved with the person or his immediate family.

It's just morbid curiosity and it turns my stomach.

Why does anyone here need to know what happened? It's no one's business!

I'm sure everyone also slows down to get a good look at wrecks on their way home, too.

I would rather people know the truth, rather than jump to assumptions. You don't agree?

By the way, you're not calling me callous and unfeeling, are you?

[Aquahound]

Originally Posted by lyndamr

I get the feeling it does appear there is more to this story...who knows fight broke out he got pushed over...maybe he was so hurt about something it may not be suicide....guess we wait to find out so sad.....

You are actually on the right track.

[aurelius180]

Originally Posted by Aquahound

You are actually on the right track.

I figured issue with the SO onboard...

[Ladysilver]

Originally Posted by How'sBartCruisin'?

And not to get too morbid, but unless you die on impact, you wouldn't die instantaneously. That's a good long time to think about what you did and what's about to happen, before it happens.


Sad story for this person and his family.

Just my luck, I'd be treading water for hours waiting for a shark to have me for lunch.

And I'm not joking.

[hannahsmomtoo]

I have a question... without getting into the humor/non-humor debate..

The article said the fall was approx. 87 feet..
Would the impact have killed him? or could he be rescued alive?

[fungirl76]

As a licensed counselor I will tell you that when people decide to commit suicide they are not going through any mental anguish at the time. Individuals who suffer from a mental illness decide to committ suicide once they come out of their depression. They do this because they do not want to ever be in previous situation where they were depressed, feeling hopeless or experiencing some other symptoms of mental illness. When a person is showing signs and symptoms of mental illness they are not most times not able to make choices or put a plan together, they are mostly fixated on the moment. Once they get out of that state is when they have the energy and mental capacity to make decisions on taking their own life. Now that is not to say that a small percentage of individuals don't committ suicide during an episode of symptoms, but it is rare.

[Swayde]

Originally Posted by fungirl76

As a licensed counselor I will tell you that when people decide to commit suicide they are not going through any mental anguish at the time. Individuals who suffer from a mental illness decide to committ suicide once they come out of their depression. They do this because they do not want to ever be in previous situation where they were depressed, feeling hopeless or experiencing some other symptoms of mental illness. When a person is showing signs and symptoms of mental illness they are not most times not able to make choices or put a plan together, they are mostly fixated on the moment. Once they get out of that state is when they have the energy and mental capacity to make decisions on taking their own life. Now that is not to say that a small percentage of individuals don't committ suicide during an episode of symptoms, but it is rare.

That makes a lot of sense in light of the only person I've really known who killed herself. She suffered from mental disorders and was going through an extremely bad depression where everyone was concerned about her. Then she had a terrific week, was laughing, having a great time with family, and seemed very normal and then took her own life. It was so totally shocking because everyone thought she was better and would pull through =(

[jonbgd]

Originally Posted by crusinpsychRN

Go back to class. You'll do ALL the victims a service. BTW, it's not a GSW, it's a person WITH a GSW.

Suicide is not always well planned but can be a very impulsive act, one if not successful, the person is glad didn't work when they get the help they need.

Too many of us on this board have been personally affected by this horrible act that bores a hole in your heart that no amount of anything can close.

At least Im man enough to admit I have limitations and I dont know everything.
Ive been affected by it as well and everyone has their own way of coping with death and dying.

BTW once any of those injuries happen..... I hope they become a patient not just a person.

[crusinfamof4]

When we were on the Disney Wonder in 2009, a passenger jumped off of a CCL ship-cannot remember which one, but our ship pulled him to safety. He was drunk and had been in a fight with his GF, told her he would jump she said go ahead and he did.

Pray they find this passenger just as we did and he is ok. The guy who we rescued was worn out when they rescued him and he was only in the ocean for an hour or so.