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Old August 14th, 2013, 12:26 PM
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An Open Posting to Princess Cruises- The lack of a walkable promenade deck on the Royal Princess will result in us cancelling our scheduled December cruise.

As background, my wife and I have been on 14 Princess Cruises over the last 20 years all over the world (Caribbean, Alaska, Europe, Australia/New Zealand, Panama, Norway and elsewhere). Regardless of our itinerary, one of the most important things to us to do on every Princess cruise was our daily exercise walks on the covered promenade deck.

I was very disappointed to learn that the Royal Princess does not have a walker friendly promenade deck for people like us. I understand that it is cut off in the front and back of the ship and is too narrow in parts to do exercise walks. For us, the jogging trail at the top of the ship does not work due to my wife's sun sensitivity plus it not being the same quiet ambience of a promenade deck.


As a result of this Royal Princess design feature, we will for the first time in years start looking at other cruise lines. We may continuing to go on some of the older Princess Ships, but that fleet is aging. Our hearts are broken over this as we were one cruise away from Elite Status. We were looking forward to the other innovations of the Royal Princess class of ships. However, for us, this promenade issue is a deal breaker as it is a very important part of our cruise we thought would never be taken away.
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An Open Posting to Princess Cruises- The lack of a walkable promenade deck on the Royal Princess will result in us cancelling our scheduled December cruise.

As background, my wife and I have been on 14 Princess Cruises over the last 20 years all over the world (Caribbean, Alaska, Europe, Australia/New Zealand, Panama, Norway and elsewhere). Regardless of our itinerary, one of the most important things to us to do on every Princess cruise was our daily exercise walks on the covered promenade deck.

I was very disappointed to learn that the Royal Princess does not have a walker friendly promenade deck for people like us. I understand that it is cut off in the front and back of the ship and is too narrow in parts to do exercise walks. For us, the jogging trail at the top of the ship does not work due to my wife's sun sensitivity plus it not being the same quiet ambience of a promenade deck.


As a result of this Royal Princess design feature, we will for the first time in years start looking at other cruise lines. We may continuing to go on some of the older Princess Ships, but that fleet is aging. Our hearts are broken over this as we were one cruise away from Elite Status. We were looking forward to the other innovations of the Royal Princess class of ships. However, for us, this promenade issue is a deal breaker as it is a very important part of our cruise we thought would never be taken away.
Have you considered using the treadmills?
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I guess everyone has something that's important to them. It's really a shame that the OP won't give it one cruise, get their elite status and then post about how unacceptable things are, if they are. I am getting tired of negative posts from those who haven't even been on the ship, particularly when those who have sailed her, rave about how great it is.
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We may continuing to go on some of the older Princess Ships, but that fleet is aging. Our hearts are broken over this as we were one cruise away from Elite Status.
Hi Rbel4,

If you are one cruise away from Elite is it possible to try a last minute cruise out of the northeast, maybe a Canada/New England or a repositioning cruise? There were also lots of great last minute deals this year to Alaska, a destination I never got tired of. Maybe try that strategy next year? Or maybe a Pacific Coastal or TransPacific cruise in 2014? Japan, Vietnam, India, British Isles? Any Princess ships go there that you like? Maybe fly to the Pacific Northwest for a week-long land tour and then jump on one of the 2-night cruises between Vamcouver and Seattle?

And despite the 'aging fleet' many of the ships are being updated with new venues and features. It's hard to believe that ships like the Sapphire Princess and Diamond Princess are falling apart. They should still be around for another ten years. Have you been on any of the Princess small ships? I hear they are extremely popular. Not much of a promenade though. Or maybe the Island or Coral Princess? I hear they have even wider promenades that the rest of the ships in the Princess fleet. A full transit of the Panama Canal maybe? Somewhere you've already been but loved, would really like to see one more time?

Royal Princess may not fit the bill, but there are still lots of options within the Princess fleet that may. And if not, and you find yourself 'straying', then try a grand lady like Queen Mary 2 or one of the HAL ships. I hear they also have nice promenades.

Every ship can't please everybody. Find one that pleases you and enjoy what's important to you. Have a great cruise, whatever ship you find yourself on. Hopefully it will be Princess, and you'll be Elite. I hear they get some pretty nice perks.

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Old August 14th, 2013, 01:50 PM
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An Open Posting to Princess Cruises- The lack of a walkable promenade deck on the Royal Princess will result in us cancelling our scheduled December cruise.

As background, my wife and I have been on 14 Princess Cruises over the last 20 years all over the world (Caribbean, Alaska, Europe, Australia/New Zealand, Panama, Norway and elsewhere). Regardless of our itinerary, one of the most important things to us to do on every Princess cruise was our daily exercise walks on the covered promenade deck.

I was very disappointed to learn that the Royal Princess does not have a walker friendly promenade deck for people like us. I understand that it is cut off in the front and back of the ship and is too narrow in parts to do exercise walks. For us, the jogging trail at the top of the ship does not work due to my wife's sun sensitivity plus it not being the same quiet ambience of a promenade deck.


As a result of this Royal Princess design feature, we will for the first time in years start looking at other cruise lines. We may continuing to go on some of the older Princess Ships, but that fleet is aging. Our hearts are broken over this as we were one cruise away from Elite Status. We were looking forward to the other innovations of the Royal Princess class of ships. However, for us, this promenade issue is a deal breaker as it is a very important part of our cruise we thought would never be taken away.
I enjoy running and walking on the Promenade Deck, but it would take a lot more than that for me to cancel my cruise on the Royal. That would be like selling my house and moving to another town, because they closed my favorite park. Not sure i understand why you would look at other cruise lines because one Princess ship doesn't have a walkable Promenade Deck. Why not book another Princess ship, especially if you are that close to Elite status.

Another alternative might be walking the inside corridors with all the photos.
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This has already been discussed to death. I'm sure you will find another ship/cruise line to walk on.
I use the covered promenade deck for exercise walking & also won't be able to use the exposed walk/run track due to a health issue. Instead I'll use the gym's treadmills because there are so many other things about the Royal to enjoy.

The OP may find that some new ships on other cruise lines also do not have a complete promenade deck & may be limited to older ships. I've read posts saying there are some new regulations about lifeboat placement that limits the designs. Whether that's true or not (I have seen photos of other new builds with similar designs) I cannot think of any one issue that would change my cruise preference.

For me it's who provides the best cruise at an affordable price & currently Princess is the one for me.

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I agree with the original poster's feelings about the missing outdoor promenade, I don't think there's really an issue of an "aging" fleet.
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The OP may find that some new ships on other cruise lines also do not have a complete promenade deck & may be limited to older ships. I've read posts saying there are some new regulations about lifeboat placement that limits the designs. Whether that's true or not (I have seen photos of other new builds with similar designs) I cannot think of any one issue that would change my cruise preference.
Pretty much every new cruise ship built post-2010 does not have a full promenade. I think the lifeboats must have something to do with this, otherwise we would see more variation in design. Royal Princess, Celebrity's Solstice Class, Norwegian Breakaway and Quantum of the Seas all share this design.
I also think maximising the number of balconies will have had some influence as well.

What I really don't understand is why you would cancel a cruise over the lack of it. Even if the Royal could be built with a full promenade, it would likely be of the Carnival Dream style (which isn't a full one itself), and therefore open to the sun.
If being able to walk around a promenade deck is more important than all the other new things Royal Princess offers, then why bother booking in the first place? I do not believe you will ever be able to sail on a new ship in the future, since this seems to be the way things are evolving.
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I guess I haven't been following any threads that have discussed the lack of a walkable Promenade Deck on the Royal Princess. The deck plans seem to show somewhat of one. It looks like you could walk back and forth on the deck for almost the whole length of the ship. Many times, especially when they're lowering tenders, I've had to do so because they've closed off a portion of the Promenade Deck.
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the large forward prom deck is crew only and is well used, as an out door high way.

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The outdoor areas on the Promenade are for either lounging, sitting, etc. The areas for the passengers really aren't long enough for any type of serious walking. That would be better on the Sports Deck running/jogging circle or on treadmills.
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An Open Posting to Princess Cruises- The lack of a walkable promenade deck on the Royal Princess will result in us cancelling our scheduled December cruise.

As background, my wife and I have been on 14 Princess Cruises over the last 20 years all over the world (Caribbean, Alaska, Europe, Australia/New Zealand, Panama, Norway and elsewhere). Regardless of our itinerary, one of the most important things to us to do on every Princess cruise was our daily exercise walks on the covered promenade deck.

I was very disappointed to learn that the Royal Princess does not have a walker friendly promenade deck for people like us. I understand that it is cut off in the front and back of the ship and is too narrow in parts to do exercise walks. For us, the jogging trail at the top of the ship does not work due to my wife's sun sensitivity plus it not being the same quiet ambience of a promenade deck.


As a result of this Royal Princess design feature, we will for the first time in years start looking at other cruise lines. We may continuing to go on some of the older Princess Ships, but that fleet is aging. Our hearts are broken over this as we were one cruise away from Elite Status. We were looking forward to the other innovations of the Royal Princess class of ships. However, for us, this promenade issue is a deal breaker as it is a very important part of our cruise we thought would never be taken away.
Walking around the ship on a promenade deck while watching scenery and sea life, listening to the waves, smelling the sea - is a single most unique experience that is possible only on a cruise ship at sea.
Period.

Treadmills instead of cruising?

Connection to the sea is valuable.
The more the better.
The less the worse.

The Royal Princess has lost huge parts of cruising experience that cannot be compensated by a larger atrium & hydropool and a few cheap gimmicks.



Rbel4, you did two right things.
1. You cancelled the cruise on a ship that clearly conveyed disrespect to you.
2. You are saying this out loud.

What do you need elite status for?
Book a cruise on a better ship - that will be your reward.
The Grand class ships are at your service.
Look at HAL Signature class ship - amazing.
Look at Royal Caribbean Freedom class. Don't be afraid of a high energy ships. They are not as classy as Princess & HAL (food!) but the ships are gorgeous.
You don't have to be in the middle of an action all the time.
You'll be pleasantly surprised.

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Walking around the ship on a promenade deck while watching scenery and sea life, listening to the waves, smelling the sea - is a single most unique experience that is possible only on a cruise ship at sea.
Period.

Treadmills instead of cruising?

Connection to the sea is valuable.
The more the better.
The less the worse.

The Royal Princess has lost huge parts of cruising experience that cannot be compensated by a larger atrium & hydropool and a few cheap gimmicks.



Rbel4, you did two right things.
1. You cancelled the cruise on a ship that clearly conveyed disrespect to you.
2. You are saying this out loud.

What do you need elite status for?
Book a cruise on a better ship - that will be your reward.
The Grand class ships are at your service.
Look at HAL Signature class ship - amazing.
Look at Royal Caribbean Freedom class. Don't be afraid of a high energy ships. They are not as classy as Princess & HAL (food!) but the ships are gorgeous.
You don't have to be in the middle of an action all the time.
You'll be pleasantly surprised.

Enjoy your cruises.

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Cruisetrail....enjoy all your cruises wherever they take you. Write a review when you get back.
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I guess everyone has something that's important to them. It's really a shame that the OP won't give it one cruise, get their elite status and then post about how unacceptable things are, if they are. I am getting tired of negative posts from those who haven't even been on the ship, particularly when those who have sailed her, rave about how great it is.
The OP shouldn't need to spend $3K plus to get on a ship to find out a feature they don't like isn't there when they know ahead of time that it isn't there.

IMO - walking on a treadmill is not the same as walking on a Promenade deck. I can walk on a treadmill back home.
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IMO - walking on a treadmill is not the same as walking on a Promenade deck. I can walk on a treadmill back home.
Definitely not the same thing however many other things on the Royal are more important to me. I'll use the treadmills & then find a spot to peacefully enjoy the outside which is one of my favorite onboard activities.
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The OP shouldn't need to spend $3K plus to get on a ship to find out a feature they don't like isn't there when they know ahead of time that it isn't there.

IMO - walking on a treadmill is not the same as walking on a Promenade deck. I can walk on a treadmill back home.
Exactly.

I plan to spend a huge amount of time on our very large Caribe balcony next week onboard The Golden as well as our customary early morning and late evening walks around the Promenade deck.

We can hardly wait to get back onboard.

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Definitely not the same thing however many other things on the Royal are more important to me. I'll use the treadmills & then find a spot to peacefully enjoy the outside which is one of my favorite onboard activities.
Call me simple. I want good food, good service, nice pools, comfortable pool and deck chairs, a nice balcony, a promenade deck, some string instruments in the lobby for entertainment and and I am happy. I want to feel like I am on a ship and enjoy the view of the sea as much as possible.

All the new features on the Royal that people keep listing, I have no interest in.
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Hi Rbel4,

I'm not sure if your cruising is restricted to a particular time of year, but if you are flexible and you still want to 'sample' this new class of ship, the Regal Princess is doing a 3-night Getaway Cruise on November 6, 2014. The day you disembark her maybe jump over to the Nieuw Amsterdam for a 14-night B2B or the Coral Princess 11-night Partial Transit of the Panama Canal. You'll get a taste of Regal Princess without too much of a commitment, and could maybe book one of the sideways inside cabins for the extra space since most of your time will be spent exploring the ship. It might be a fun way to experience her without forfeiting too much of you time and resources and still reach Elite level with Princess?
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Exactly.

I plan to spend a huge amount of time on our very large Caribe balcony next week onboard The Golden as well as our customary early morning and late evening walks around the Promenade deck.

We can hardly wait to get back onboard.

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