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Old April 7th, 2014, 10:24 PM
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We are sailing on the Pearl this coming Friday and had a tour booked with Victor Bodden for Sunday. Our tour group has just received an email from the Bodden Tour Company confirming that the ship will not be calling at Roatan on Sunday.
I haven't received any notification from Victor Bodden. Wish there was something official from NCL.
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I did read on another roll call coming up that they called NCL and they had confirmed that they had cancelled Roatan for this coming week. However, they also said that they had not cancelled after that. So I guess there's no actual confirmation yet as to cancelling the port all together, or just for now.

The sad thing is, this kind of stuff happens all the time and not just when cruising. However, there have been plenty of reports with things going on (robberies and killings) of cruise passengers on various ships and in various ports. The cruise lines never pulled out of any of those ports. It has even happened on a cruise ship sponsored tour. It makes me wonder why the only reason for cancellation was due to an actual cruise employee of the ship being murdered instead of all of the other people that were passengers that had the same things happen. I'm pretty sure that the cruise lines are aware of how a lot of people do not feel safe or hate certain ports (for instance the gripes about Jamaica or Nassau) and still the cruise ships continue to take their passengers there.

While I realize this can happen in any country (including the US), it just strikes me as weird that they don't decide to call on a port when it's an employee that this happened to. I'm not debating whether or not they should and definitely not trying to start a debate on how it's safer there than the various US cities and so on. Just stating my observation that's all.
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This is so very sad.. it makes my heart for the victim his family and the island. NCL pulling out will have an effect on all the hard working island folk who are full of respect and kindness.


This is not the 1st person to get shot and killed for a cell phone, though he is the first I have heard of in broad daylight.

Truly visitors should be aware, Roatan is a island off the coast of a third world country. Electronics are like money in the bank to the bad guys.
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Truly visitors should be aware, Roatan is a island off the coast of a third world country. Electronics are like money in the bank to the bad guys.
Just thrown' it out there...

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The Department of State continues to warn U.S. citizens that the level of crime and violence in Honduras remains critically high. This Travel Warning supersedes the Travel Warning dated June 17, 2013, and includes additional information on crime and security in Honduras, as well as updated contact information.

Tens of thousands of U.S. citizens visit Honduras each year for study, tourism, business, and volunteer work without incident. However, crime and violence are serious problems throughout the country, and the Government of Honduras lacks the resources to address these issues. Since 2010, Honduras has had the highest murder rate in the world. Various institutions and government agencies are still analyzing statistics for 2013. The National Violence Observatory, an academic research institution based out of Honduras’ National Public University, reports that the murder rate was slightly above 81 murders per 100,000 people for January through November.
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I did read on another roll call coming up that they called NCL and they had confirmed that they had cancelled Roatan for this coming week. However, they also said that they had not cancelled after that. So I guess there's no actual confirmation yet as to cancelling the port all together, or just for now.

The sad thing is, this kind of stuff happens all the time and not just when cruising. However, there have been plenty of reports with things going on (robberies and killings) of cruise passengers on various ships and in various ports. The cruise lines never pulled out of any of those ports. It has even happened on a cruise ship sponsored tour. It makes me wonder why the only reason for cancellation was due to an actual cruise employee of the ship being murdered instead of all of the other people that were passengers that had the same things happen. I'm pretty sure that the cruise lines are aware of how a lot of people do not feel safe or hate certain ports (for instance the gripes about Jamaica or Nassau) and still the cruise ships continue to take their passengers there.

While I realize this can happen in any country (including the US), it just strikes me as weird that they don't decide to call on a port when it's an employee that this happened to. I'm not debating whether or not they should and definitely not trying to start a debate on how it's safer there than the various US cities and so on. Just stating my observation that's all.
I was on the NCL Star when the decision was made to discontinue calling on Mazatlan. That decision was the result of a shooting that occurred in the Gold Zone while a ship sponsored tour was in the vicinity.

Similar decisions have been made by various cruise lines, but are not widely publicized unless a passenger contacts the media. Even the media does not report all the incidents unless they happen in Mexico, then they jump all over it.

Several ports are in danger of losing cruise business due to their failure to control crime, but as with any change, the real reason may be masked by "politically correct" statements.
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Indeed, the age old debate: is the island crime the same as the mainland. Many people would say no being much of the population of the island is not from the mainland but from the British Caymans along with the Garifuna. It was not so long again an only English speaking island. The islanders had to go to school to learn Spanish to speak with the Hondurans coming over from the mainland.

Once there was money to be made on the island the Spanish poverty stricken from the mainland started arriving.

The whole thing makes me so sad.

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I am pleased to see NCL stand up and give notice to the Roatan authorities that they must control crime or lose business.

This may be construed as saber rattling but it may also have a widespread effect in making all the ports safer for cruisers.

If NCL did not take quick action, the local authorities could sit back in their comfort zone and continue to allow crime to flourish. This will bring pressure on them to do something about the problem.
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The whole thing makes me so sad.
Yeah, it's quite saddening. This morning, my reaction was more toward anger. But I do understand the underlying reasons for the violence there are quite complicated and go much deeper than my personal view and emotional reaction.

And I'd like to add that I don't mean to take away from Jacob's tragedy by pointing out the dangers to others. I guess the two topics sort of go hand-in-hand. Jacob could have been any one of us.
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If NCL did not take quick action, the local authorities could sit back in their comfort zone and continue to allow crime to flourish. This will bring pressure on them to do something about the problem.
If I understand everything correctly, similar responses (NCL and others) seemed to have had a positive impact in the Mexican Riviera and particularly, places like Mazatlán...although it took several years.
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I am pleased to see NCL stand up and give notice to the Roatan authorities that they must control crime or lose business.

This may be construed as saber rattling but it may also have a widespread effect in making all the ports safer for cruisers.

If NCL did not take quick action, the local authorities could sit back in their comfort zone and continue to allow crime to flourish. This will bring pressure on them to do something about the problem.

I am not expert but I am thinking it is not about sitting back in a comfort zone so much as nasty crazy corruption in the system.
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If I understand everything correctly, similar responses (NCL and others) seemed to have had a positive impact in the Mexican Riviera and particularly, places like Mazatlán...although it took several years.
I remember a couple years ago they skipped ports on the Mexican Riviera cruises for the same reason. It forces the law enforcement folks to stop looking the other way. I am sure most of the merchants like a safe work environment too.
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I did read on another roll call coming up that they called NCL and they had confirmed that they had cancelled Roatan for this coming week. However, they also said that they had not cancelled after that. So I guess there's no actual confirmation yet as to cancelling the port all together, or just for now.

The sad thing is, this kind of stuff happens all the time and not just when cruising. However, there have been plenty of reports with things going on (robberies and killings) of cruise passengers on various ships and in various ports. The cruise lines never pulled out of any of those ports. It has even happened on a cruise ship sponsored tour. It makes me wonder why the only reason for cancellation was due to an actual cruise employee of the ship being murdered instead of all of the other people that were passengers that had the same things happen. I'm pretty sure that the cruise lines are aware of how a lot of people do not feel safe or hate certain ports (for instance the gripes about Jamaica or Nassau) and still the cruise ships continue to take their passengers there.

While I realize this can happen in any country (including the US), it just strikes me as weird that they don't decide to call on a port when it's an employee that this happened to. I'm not debating whether or not they should and definitely not trying to start a debate on how it's safer there than the various US cities and so on. Just stating my observation that's all.
I don't think pulling out of Roatan has anything to do with the crime being committed on a crew member. This is an issue of the escalation of violent crime in Honduras. Things have progressively gotten worse there over the past couple years. This decision is by no means a knee jerk reaction to a single crime.
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This is just terrible. I read that he had a baby back home, and I feel for that child having to grow up without her father.



Not to sound crass and skip over such a tragedy, but should we be concerned for our stop in Roatan on April 22nd? We currently have a private excursion booked with Victor Bodden, but now I'm wondering if we should stay on board the ship like we plan on doing for Belize City.
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I am on the Dawn right now and we would have been docking right now but the captain announced that we will have a sea day instead. I wish we could have gone to Belize for two days since the seas in the last couple days have been ROUGH. This boat has been rocking and rolling since Tampa. Weather is nice though.
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First, to the 'animal' poster..I too felt you were referring to anyone who'd kill a person for a phone and not the general population.

A couple of months ago I read that a family from a Carnival ship was robbed at gun point. And who knows what else goes on that we don't hear about. Perhaps NCL feels that the authorities there are not stepping up and doing their best to prevent crime and thinks this will be a wake-up-call. And I bet it is! Nothing moves mountains like a hit to the pocketbook! Good move NCL.
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This is just terrible. I read that he had a baby back home, and I feel for that child having to grow up without her father.



Not to sound crass and skip over such a tragedy, but should we be concerned for our stop in Roatan on April 22nd? We currently have a private excursion booked with Victor Bodden, but now I'm wondering if we should stay on board the ship like we plan on doing for Belize City.
I don't think you will be stopping at Roatan. Sheehan is pretty firm when he takes a stand.

As for Belize, I think you will miss some very nice attractions at that port if you stay on the ship. Altun Ha ruins are outside the city and are impressive.

The biggest problem in Belize is within the city itself, and if you book a tour with one of the locals, they will normally go outside the city with their tours.

The port area is very secure and is walled and gated. It has several shopa and restaurants within the geted area. A small flea market is usually set up just outside the gates and you will see many security officers there.

The tender ride from the ship to the port is a thrill. The tenders run very fast and it is a pretty long ride.

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This is just terrible. I read that he had a baby back home, and I feel for that child having to grow up without her father.



Not to sound crass and skip over such a tragedy, but should we be concerned for our stop in Roatan on April 22nd? We currently have a private excursion booked with Victor Bodden, but now I'm wondering if we should stay on board the ship like we plan on doing for Belize City.

I would be very surprised if you were not safe with Bodden.

The victim was targeted due to using a tablet as a phone on the open street. For some reason phones, tablets and small hand helds are high value items.

Not so long ago friend of my was attacked in Africa for her Ipod.
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I don't think you will be stopping at Roatan. Sheehan is pretty firm when he takes a stand.

As for Belize, I think you will miss some very nice attractions at that port if you stay on the ship. Altun Ha ruins are outside the city and are impressive.

The biggest problem in Belize is within the city itself, and if you book a tour with one of the locals, they will normally go outside the city with their tours.

The port area is very secure and is walled and gated. It has several shopa and restaurants within the geted area. A small flea market is usually set up just outside the gates and you will see many security officers there.

The tender ride from the ship to the port is a thrill. The tenders run very fast and it is a pretty long ride.
The only reason we were skipping Belize was because we have excursions booked in the other 3 ports and wanted a breather.
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Presently on the Jewel. Got a letter from the Captain last night that our stop in Roatan is cancelled on Thursday replaced with a sea day instead.
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Presently on the Jewel. Got a letter from the Captain last night that our stop in Roatan is cancelled on Thursday replaced with a sea day instead.
Wonder if future port stops to Roatan will be cancelled as well?
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