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this is nuts. i was not happy when i found out CCL changed the itinerary on our liberty cruise in december. bad threads on jamaica. w/ every thread, there are those that say, nice port, can happen anywhere, etc., don't read too much into all of the bad reports. blah, blah, blah
well, i'm travelling w/ kids. so w/ this latest "achievement", i now have to think about skipping the port entirely, for their safety? i'm sorry, but there's no other way to put it: this truly sucks. if our tourist dollars mean so much to them, they need to get a handle on their crime. BTW, CCL -- i want costa maya back on my itinerary.
If they were on a bus why did they stop and let these people on? It looks like if they were driving they could move on and not open the door. I have never been there and don't want to be so I may be off on this one
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If this happened to me on a Carnival excursion you can bet your bottom dollar that I would be talking to Carnival about it! Let's just say that I have business where I offer to take people on a little trip for a certain amount of money. Do you honestly think that I am not responsible for what happens on that little trip, regardless of who I hire to do the trip on my behalf?
I have been on several Carnival cruises and Carnival excursions, but I guarantee if this happened to me I would be raising some he** with someone at Carnival. This is just plain unacceptable, especially now that they know this has happened.
They were just lucky that no one was hurt.
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Oakbend thanks for getting the warning out. I am one of the 4 you had breakfast with on Saturday!!!
To the rest..........I am one of the 17, it was myself, my mom and two daughters 12 and 24 on this Carnival sponsored tour to the Lethe Village. It was a fabulous tour up to the point of gun point. We had been turned over to an elderly driver of the tractor pulled open air like tolley called a jitney. We had just come from the banana plantation and were headed to listen to some school age children sing for us.
Two young males came out from bushes one was carrying a shoe box and pulled out his gun, the other had a machete and gun. The one that did all the talk was next to me most of the time. I was told I would f......ing be killed if I did not give him everything, as was everyone else. I can describe how scared everyone was, especially the children. The youngest child on the tour was begging for her life............not something you experience everyday and most not in their life time!!!!!
Of course after this all happened and the two guys let us go we went straight back to the bus area and ended our tour. With in thirty minutes the police came and we were taken to the owner of the Lethe Estates office to give our reports. This entire process took several hours, we begged to be taken back to the ship but were told no we had to go through the Jamaican process. Finally we were escorted back to the ship by the police and Minister of Tourism.
Carnival did what they could do from a ships stand point, and today I will find out what the home office is going to do. I lost 2 digital cameras, passports, drivers license, credit card, $100 cash.......and many other small items that were in our two backpacks that were taken. The only real thing I would like back are my memory cards from the cameras because I was also robbed of my pictures I had taken to this point.
I could type so much more but I am so tired of re living this. Today I will spend replacing my drivers license, getting new passports started and dealing with Carnival.
Before anyone flames me for having my two daughters passports with me this was my first cruise and I thought they needed them for identification to return on the ship, I know better know.
I could also go into the hours I spent in the ships terminal yesterday to identify some things that had been apprehended from the dead one. But to some that up the only thing was my moms digital camera minus the memory card and no one can tell me if the thugs removed it or if the Jamaica police have it. We were told the police closes on Sunday there, that is the honest truth as to what we were told........!!!!
Snoozeman............yes the official in Jamaica were as accommodating as they could be I guess......having never been in this type of situation things from that day still seem like a dream. So many people from different offices came to make sure we were safe. We felt so much better once we found out our trip back to the ship was going to be escorted because at that point no one on the island looked trust worthy to us.
...We had just come from the banana plantation and were headed to listen to some school age children sing for us.
Two young males came out from bushes one was carrying a shoe box and pulled out his gun, the other had a machete and gun. The one that did all the talk was next to me most of the time. I was told I would f......ing be killed if I did not give him everything....
and to think some posters don't see this as atypical. almost as if this situation is no different than if you had been walking around the streets, alone, in a place known to be unsafe, browsing and shopping, w/ tourist plastered on your forehead. baffles the mind.
Originally Posted by bluebonnet
...we were taken to the owner of the Lethe Estates office to give our reports. This entire process took several hours, we begged to be taken back to the ship but were told no we had to go through the Jamaican process. Finally we were escorted back to the ship by the police and Minister of Tourism...
did this continue past the time you were due to depart? if so, thank goodness CCL had the common sense not to leave.
Originally Posted by bluebonnet
...We were told the police closes on Sunday there, that is the honest truth as to what we were told........!!!!
now, there's an open invitation if i ever heard one.
What a terrible thing to happen to anyone. Can not imagine how I would feel or react had it been me and DW. Hopefully I would have been smart enough to give them what they want and leave. Is Carnival responsible? Well there is enough of that to go around in several places. Carnival is responsible to a degree because they contract with the local venders and they are aware of what goes on at ALL of their ports. The local authorities are responsible as well just like any police or govt agency is in their area of jurisdiction. Yes it is also true that this kind of thing can and does happen almost anywhere. Don't know of anyway authorities can guarantee this won't happen. They can take actions to minimize the potential but as with anywhere - if the thugs want to - they can figure out a way. Unfortunate but true. The first time we were there a kid tried to break into the bus we were on with all of us watching - to include the driver - who chased him off with a stick. What should Carnival do? I would not guess. That is a business decision they need to make. Is the risk to the passengers worth continuiing to go there? At what point would Carnival feel it "safe to return?" Obviously the passengers will have to make a decision on whether they want to take the chance. Would we feel better if there were a couple of armed guards on the excursion with us? Personnaly if that was what was necessary to provide an "acceptable" degree of safety I doubt we would venture out. Didn't add much to the conversation but just sharing some thoughts.
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Also just off the Conquest on Sunday - June 17th. This it the second time I have been to Montego Bay and was very uncomfortable both visits. After what happened to fellow cruisers this past week, I will never book a cruise that visits that port again. I realize that dangers exist everywhere, but Carnival needs to consider a safer destination for family vacation travel. If Carnival continues to make this port part of their intinerary, they need to warn of the dangers. Several families were traveling with us - and one of the teenagers on the trip questioned why we would stop at such a dangerous place!! The rest of the cruise was great! We took the Beach Buggy excursion in Cozumel - and it was wonderful. Tour guide was great and food could not have been better. Highly recommended.
New Orleans is also very dangerous. Avoiding all of Carnival's high crime ports will leave you with very few choices.
The afternoon before our frist cruise out of New Orleans, we were walking a few blocks away from the pier pre-Katrina and it was nearing dusk. All of a sudden these groups of guys started forming here and there. We could tell some were watching us. It was very troubling...so we turned around and quickly headed back to the hotel. It wasn't night yet...we had been warned not to go out by ourselves at night.
I'm so sorry BLUEBONNET for all you and your family - and the rest of the people - have been through. I had wondered if this happened at the jitney point of the excursion as that seemed the most likely time. There isn't anything that can protect you at that point of the excursion. No quick exits or anything. Thank you for sharing your experience.
Last edited by SandyW; June 18th, 2007 at 07:28 PM.
First of all I want to say thank goodness the passengers were ok (physically at least). I am sorry that this happened. Next, I have to say a special prayer of thanks, because in Nov. I took my mother on her first cruise and Mo-Bay was our favorite port. We did tour the place independently and had no problems, well other than the beach restuarant ran out of food and the return taxi tried to charge us more, but he changed his mind when I said we would wait for another cab. We ended up paying his price with the tip because we got back to the ship on time, with no issues, and with a lot of humor (What does KFC (as in Kentucky Fried Chicken) stand for? Keep From Cookin'). I think now that we must of had angels guarding us. We never heard tales or rumors of things that happened like this horrible story. If so I would never have taken my mom off the ship! Best wishes to those who were in this situation. I hope that you can find some peace.
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