Cruising With A Service Dog....everything You Ever Wanted To Know!

[wizard-of-roz]

Originally Posted by Algebralovr

Thanks for the website referral. Looks like the dog in training is not covered if it does not yet have basic manners.

Guess it all depends on whether I want to risk the potential legal fees. I think I'll use the web site as ammo, along with the ADA FAQ. Time for documentation that animal is needed or out they both go. Since the animal is not trained, it is a pet. While it may be a service animal at some point, it is not presently such. As a result, a pet fee is due to cover the additional wear and tear (cause it has already chewed woodwork).

I'm more annoyed about them sneaking it in than anything else. Well, that and giving people with well behaved animals a bad name. I understand that dogs are actually meant to be working animals - ever seen a real shephard dog at work? Amazing!

Thanks a bunch for the help!

I'm sorry for your aggravation and the confrontation that lays ahead for you....it's not pleasant to have to remove someone with an animal. It's not the animals fault and irresponsible owners make me nuts!!!!!!


Yes, I've seen a German Shepherd in working mode and it's pure magic.

Good luck and please come back and let us know how it went.

[guitarest]

Originally Posted by wizard-of-roz

Yes, I've seen a German Shepherd in working mode and it's pure magic.

I sooooooooooooo agree with you. I happen to know a person with a German Shepherd; not a bad guy at all; the fog is pretty cool also............ lol

[wizard-of-roz]

Originally Posted by guitarest

I sooooooooooooo agree with you. I happen to know a person with a German Shepherd; not a bad guy at all; the fog is pretty cool also............ lol

Do you now!!!! I know a few myself and like everyone of them!

[guitarest]

dog not fog,,,,, duh

[wizard-of-roz]

I am so angry at myself for not taking better care and for letting my niece's dog be introduced to Horton. The scratch on his face is so "there" as a reminder to me. Geeeezzz, if you can't trust your relatives who can you trust?

Actually, it reminds of when my kids were very little and one of my new neighbors asked if she could bring her little, "darling" over to meet my little one. [They were both about 4 years old.] The little imp promptly bit my child on the shoulder, so hard that it left a scar for years. Needless to say that woman and her "no-neck-monster" were never invited back and we never became friends either!!!! But, my Lisa who is way over 4 today and I NEVER forgot the incident!

[guitarest]

Originally Posted by wizard-of-roz

I am so angry at myself for not taking better care and for letting my niece's dog be introduced to Horton. The scratch on his face is so "there" as a reminder to me. Geeeezzz, if you can't trust your relatives who can you trust?

Actually, it reminds of when my kids were very little and one of my new neighbors asked if she could bring her little, "darling" over to meet my little one. [They were both about 4 years old.] The little imp promptly bit my child on the shoulder, so hard that it left a scar for years. Needless to say that woman and her "no-neck-monster" were never invited back and we never became friends either!!!! But, my Lisa who is way over 4 today and I NEVER forgot the incident!

Roz you had no way of knowing this was going to happen. There is no way you could have prevented it without upsetting your neice and even then you had no idea as to what would have or could have happened. I know Horton means so much to you; as you do to him I am sure he is past the issue. You need to get past it also; not trying to be a jerk here; please do not get mad at me; Horton can feel your pain. The way dogs can feel our inner pain and thoughts can transmit to a dog who may become frightened of other dogs and turn on other dogs. I have seen it in my years of owning and training dogs. You need a positive mental attitude; I know he knows you meant no harm.

Stop beating yourself up over the situation. Just keep the wound clean and eventually it will heal I promise and all it will be in a few months is a memory.

[wizard-of-roz]

Originally Posted by guitarest

Roz you had no way of knowing this was going to happen. There is no way you could have prevented it without upsetting your neice and even then you had no idea as to what would have or could have happened. I know Horton means so much to you; as you do to him I am sure he is past the issue. You need to get past it also; not trying to be a jerk here; please do not get mad at me; Horton can feel your pain. The way dogs can feel our inner pain and thoughts can transmit to a dog who may become frightened of other dogs and turn on other dogs. I have seen it in my years of owning and training dogs. You need a positive mental attitude; I know he knows you meant no harm.

Stop beating yourself up over the situation. Just keep the wound clean and eventually it will heal I promise and all it will be in a few months is a memory.

Thanks for the kind and thoughtful words.....Have a great weekend!

[guitarest]

Originally Posted by wizard-of-roz

Thanks for the kind and thoughtful words.....Have a great weekend!

You too, I just heard from the VA they mailed a decision in my appeal to me. Hopefully its good news....

[wizard-of-roz]

Originally Posted by guitarest

You too, I just heard from the VA they mailed a decision in my appeal to me. Hopefully its good news....

Jocko: I hope it's good news, you deserve it.

Sunshine: I hope it's all going well with your health and your daughter's big day.

Cindy: I hope John's health is good and that you and Wexy are staying cool.

Nancy: I hope you're finding some fun and that life is treating you well.

Quam: You're very quiet, I hope it means that all is going well for you.

Kathi: Thank you for interjecting a wise word or two when needed.

Marcia: You are such a great gal and are so helpful & wise. Remember, I'm cruising on October 6th (Sapphire Princess.)

DKD: Love you!!!!! We wouldn't have a good day without your punts.

Peter -DVD-Where are you, how's Cameron and Wherin?

Cari: You're ready soon to retire Denver, let us know how it's going.

Valentine's Mom, Flsunnymommy,CJborne,Cru1ng and so many other's who have shared your wonderful stories with us...come on back and let us know how you're doing.

[cjborne2]

We know a pretty cool german shepherd too who has way too much fun while working and has been a great addition our family (although my cat still does not like him). We are all off to my son's soccer game, followed by field day for school for a good part of the day tomorrow. So ready for this school year to be over...

[wizard-of-roz]

Originally Posted by cjborne2

We know a pretty cool german shepherd too who has way too much fun while working and has been a great addition our family (although my cat still does not like him). We are all off to my son's soccer game, followed by field day for school for a good part of the day tomorrow. So ready for this school year to be over...

You forgot to mention how brilliant he is!!!!!!! Didn't the school year just begin? Please don't rush time too much.......I can't take how fast it goes when you reach my age!!!!!

[Latitude 20]

Originally Posted by wizard-of-roz

Do you now!!!! I know a few myself and like everyone of them!

Josh!

[Rolls Royce Lover]

Originally Posted by Latitude 20

Hi Algebralovr,

No worries about being "off-topic." Far as I'm concerned everything is on-topic as "something to distract me until I can take another cruise!"

I'm a paralegal and did some research on this exact issue for a CLE seminar last year. That said, I'm offering these resources as a member of this discussion group and not as legal advice. I encourage you to contact an attorney in your state for further information.

I'm assuming you're a private landlord so the applicable rules are found in the Fair Housing Amendments Act of 1988 administered by the Department of Housing and Urban Development (http://portal.hud.gov/hudportal/HUD?...aws/yourrights). A very good FAQ on the issue by the Bazelon Center for Mental Health Law is online at http://www.bazelon.org/LinkClick.asp...c%3d&tabid=245.

Roz and Jocko have given you some great information so I'll just point out a few additional things:

>>By definition, emotional support animals are not task-trained. They assist their owners simply by existing. This is different than a psychiatric service animal which is task-trained to ameliorate its handler's mental health disability (for example, doing room searches for a handler with PTSD or recognizing and leading to safety a person with disassociative episodes). The simple way to think of this is service animals are needed for what they do and emotional support animals are needed for who they are. Psychiatric service animals are allowed the same access as any other service animal; emotional support animals are not allowed public access but are allowed in "no pets" housing and to travel in airplane cabins.

>>Emotional support animals are generally allowed the same access to housing as service animals. As the Bazelon article points out, this means that landlords must make reasonable accommodations and generally can't pre-emptively charge a pet deposit. But landlords can require both emotional support and service animals to be reasonably well-behaved by pet standards. This means the animal is fully toilet-trained and has no bad habits that would disturb neighbors such is frequent or lengthy episodes of barking. The animal should not pose a danger to other tenants or to workmen.

>>Again, in the Bazelon article it says "In the event that a tenant's assistive animal does cause significant damage, that tenant should certainly be held financially liable." Whether it rises to an evictable offense is an issue you should definitely take up with an attorney.

>>Finally, these are just the federal regulations. Your state or local authorities may have laws that provide additional access for emotional support animals.

Hope this helps,
Kathi

Kathi, thanks so much, great information.

[Rolls Royce Lover]

Originally Posted by rangeley

We had a great time yesterday and sold alot of dog cookies for CCI and the girl scouts. There was about 5 dogs there and a ton of people! John and Wexler were awesome. John can talk and Wex can put on a show. We will be doing it again today for an actual game. We will sell cookies before the game and until the third inning, then we will get seats for the rest of the game. Its Sox-Yankees so the park will be packed. By the time we got home yesterday, we were exhausted. Poor Wex was so tired. Poor doggie.

It's the Red Sox not the White Sox, right? I need to get out more!

Cindy, John & Wex thank you so much for all that you do for CCI.

[Rolls Royce Lover]

Originally Posted by Latitude 20

Josh!

Josh, you handsome boy you!!!! I know a Lab that would love to play with you!

[guitarest]

Originally Posted by Latitude 20

Josh!

Awwww such a pretty GSD

[guitarest]

Got bored today since its a uggg day out side, not raining no sun and gnats all over....
Blitz is upper left, Dia is upper right and the original South Mississippi GSD King
is on the bottom.

[Latitude 20]

Originally Posted by guitarest

Awwww such a pretty GSD

Officer Josh would like to point out that he is handsome, not pretty

[guitarest]

Originally Posted by Latitude 20

Officer Josh would like to point out that he is handsome, not pretty

I am so sorry please tell the Officer I am deeply sorry for the mistake.......... lol

[cjborne2]

I am really not one to rush the school year along but this 6th grade year has been a killer. I'm so over school projects!