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Have just heared from Seabourn that as from June 7 2008 smoking will be banned in the foyer of the restaurant and in the lobby on deck 5.As non smokers this will not affect us.Wish they would ban smoking at the Sky Bar as well. Only at the actual Bar. Smokers could still sit at the tables, but at the bar itself it is very bad and the only way to avoid this is to leave the bar. If they smoke at the table near you ,at least you can move to another table.
I guess putting it another way, all things considered concerning the limitations of where one can smoke, if a non-smoker is bothered at the Sky Bar he/she now has some very nice tables near the bar where the smoke won't bother them...especially if the smoker is slipping out of the dining room to a quick one between courses since the hallway is now off limits.
If they can't limit smoking altogether at the Sky Bar they should at least prohibit cigar smoking. That is terribly offensive even outdoors.Certainly during meal times. I think the problem is that it's tough to enforce. Who will do it? I asked one gentleman to refrain from cigar smoking during lunch (I was at the next table) and he basically told me to ------ off. Same for a man who smoked in the forward lounge all morning.
I'm part of a smoking/non smoking couple. (I'm the non smoking one, having given up just over a year ago).
Seabourn has one of the least restrictive smoking policies of any line. I'm sure this will change over time, probably sooner rather than later. I think smokers realise there will be less and less places to smoke over time. Chris only smokes outside at home.
From my understanding the Sky Bar is open air. Perhaps a small group of tables on one side could be reserved for smokers? I think smoking at the bar, any bar, should not be allowed because of the adverse effect the smoke has on the serving staff. (after all, they can't move somewhere else).
There will also be no smell of smoke in or around our cabin, as no smoking wil be taking place there, or any other place inside, for that matter.
Steve (and Chris)
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I am surprised no one mentioned the club. It's inside and full of smoke. It's often the only place to go in the evening and even though they designate half the room for smokers the smoke moves!It has been mentioned in othersmoking threads, however. I don't even bother going there unless it's Liars Club.
Susan, when is your next cruise? I saw you and Jerry dancing the samba on deck with the dancers in Rio! Quite a fun time for eveyone! Hope all is well with you!
The problem, from experience, is not necessarily that there are smokers, but that there are discourtesies either by smokers or non-smokers. There is no excuse for leaving a suite door open to air out a smoker's suite, but there is no excuse for demanding a smoker move from a designated smoking area (even if you do not agree with it being so designated).
Imagine how much more pleasant the cruise would be if the passengers - not the cruise line - respected the others. (We can talk religion, politics, or whatever...but all considered the health/freedom to choose issue(s) are the trump cards here as we all have a choice as to whether to board the ship knowing the rules and limitations.)
BTW, the solution of non-smoking ships has been tried and pretty much fail miserably each time it is tried. And it doesn't matter if it is a mass market or luxury ship. The concept may be great, but in reality it doesn't work...at least not yet.
I have no solution to offer, but rather, hopefully, a perspective that each side can understand...and respect.
You are right. It is the pax. On our last crossing, one pax smoked in the club, tea, etc and made sure to be as close to non smoking area as possible. This was usually at the front where the sections are the closest.
Cruising is an industry and the transition to non-smoking is happening, but it has to be done in a way that doesn't sink the proverbial ship.
When you are not working on margins of 25%, those can be some pretty significant numbers...especially when onboard revenue (tours, spa, hotels, transfers, etc.) are added in.