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#1
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I am thinking of a cruise vacation later this year, but I was wondering if anyone can let me know which lines (if any) are open to crossdressers on the ship. I dont plan to scare anyone (I hope) or get in anyones space, I just would love to be dressed on ship.

Any advice?
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Originally posted by Sam75
I am thinking of a cruise vacation later this year, but I was wondering if anyone can let me know which lines (if any) are open to crossdressers on the ship. I dont plan to scare anyone (I hope) or get in anyones space, I just would love to be dressed on ship.

Any advice?
Go on an RSVP or Atlantis charter - no-one will bat an eyelash.
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#3
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I agree with Boytije. You could dress on a mainstream cruise, I don't think they'd throw you off the ship for it, but if you were uncomfortable with how people treated you, you'd have nowhere to go.
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Thanks for the input. I've been researching, though, and I like what I am reading about Holland America and Celebrity in terms of style, availability, and cost. I'm middle-aged and just want to quietly enjoy myself.

Any thoughts on those two lines? Or any mainstream lines?
#5
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Originally posted by Sam75
Thanks for the input. I've been researching, though, and I like what I am reading about Holland America and Celebrity in terms of style, availability, and cost. I'm middle-aged and just want to quietly enjoy myself.

Any thoughts on those two lines? Or any mainstream lines?
You're quite right, they are very similar in style. I have been on both and enjoyed both. My preference is Celebrity, but that's largely because of their excellent vegetarian offerings, so that is an entirely separate reason.
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Originally posted by Sam75
Thanks for the input. I've been researching, though, and I like what I am reading about Holland America and Celebrity in terms of style, availability, and cost. I'm middle-aged and just want to quietly enjoy myself.

Any thoughts on those two lines? Or any mainstream lines?

HAL is our favorite line mostly because its a reserved line in that its not all about rock climbing and catering to more of mainstream Americans. Before anyone gets insulted, I'm not trying to offend anyone. Its just that HAL appeals to the more traditional cruiser who likes Formal nights, likes getting dressed for dinner and enjoys a violin trio as much as contemporary entertainment (HAL has both).

Whether the cross dressing would bother anyone is anyones guess. But I agree with most of the posters, the HAL environment is quiet and you could probably avoid any uncomfortable feeling you have easier on HAL than the "fun" ships.
#7
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This is good feedback, thanks! I'm not too worried about the reactions of others, I dont have many issues like that when I go out and about. Mostly I'm concerned if the cruise lines have some sort of policy (official or otherwise) condoning dressing on ship, or not allowing it.

I like HAL more and more the more I research it, and get a sense that they would be OK with it as long as I stay in keeping with their more refined image.

What about Mexico or Caribbean shore excursions? I would think that that would present the same issues that being in public anywhere would, or are there issues there to consider?

Thanks again for any comments.
#8
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Originally posted by Sam75
This is good feedback, thanks! I'm not too worried about the reactions of others, I dont have many issues like that when I go out and about. Mostly I'm concerned if the cruise lines have some sort of policy (official or otherwise) condoning dressing on ship, or not allowing it.
There are no rules about crossdressing on any ship that I know of. I can think of lots of things I'd rather not see than a crossdresser . If you're comfortable I doubt anyone will even notice and if they do-so what ?

Someone else can chime in about excursions, but I know that there are places in Mexico and the Caribbean that aren't tolerant of anyone "different", so I'd be careful there.
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#9
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The gender dress that you choose for registration and embarkation will be of utmost importance as you will be photographed and as you board and exit the ship, it is this photo plus one on your person that will be used to identify you. So this may present a problem. For this reason and knowing some of the feelings of the natives on the islands, we would not recommend you going ashore as such. We see no problems in you cross-dressing aboard the ship. We have stayed in major hotels in Bangkok on more than one occasion where cross-dressing is most common and accepted.
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That is an excellent insight, Ron, and possibly the one I was actually most unsure of. I would have thought that the ports in the Caribbean and Mexican Riviera would be more accepting, being international tourist attractions, but from this comment and others I think I'd best leave the skirts on the ship!

Thank you!
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Originally posted by Sam75
That is an excellent insight, Ron, and possibly the one I was actually most unsure of. I would have thought that the ports in the Caribbean and Mexican Riviera would be more accepting, being international tourist attractions, but from this comment and others I think I'd best leave the skirts on the ship!

Thank you!
Some of the Caribbean islands can be very conservative, lots of Evangelical Christians, but you never know what may happen. We were on a gay cruise and in St. Maarten and trying to get a cab from Orient beach to Marigot. There were about 12 of us and a driver with a minibus was going to be our driver. When getting on the bus I noticed a 'Real Men Love Jesus' sticker on the back window and though 'oh, oh'. The boys got in and were hootin' and hollerin' and camping it up. The driver did not bat an eyelid and soon acted as tour guide pointing out all the tourist sights. But I would not advise going to Jamaica and crossdressing.
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#12
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I'm sort of leaning towards a Mexican cruise...what is the general feeling in Cabo and the other ports along there?

Nobody passes perfectly, no matter what they tell you, but when I go out in cities all over the country I almost never have problems...is that any indication of how things might go?

Of course, the getting on and off the ship issue that Ron brought up is still there, and that's an important consideration too.

You all have been sooooo helpful! Thank you!
#13
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Originally posted by Boytjie
But I would not advise going to Jamaica and crossdressing.
Actually, I wouldn't advise going to Jamaica, period. Don't give your money to an island where the government actively sanctions assault and murder towards gay people. If you pick an itinerary that goes there, they'll get your port taxes, but at least don't ge toff the ship!


Originally posted by Ron n Jon
The gender dress that you choose for registration and embarkation will be of utmost importance as you will be photographed and as you board and exit the ship
Good point - and another reason to leave the skirts on the ship! If you dress on the ship and don't dress off the ship, the entering and exiting at each port won't be an issue.
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The guidance you all have been giving has been invaluable, and based on it I am going to look for a Mexican cruise later this year or early next. Most of them apparently stop at Cabo, Mazatlan, and Puerto Vallarta.

Can anyone give me their insight into which of those are better for walking around, shopping, and enjoying the general ambience (I may not be wearing a dress, but I still love to shop and wander!), and which have shore excursions worth going to?

Thanks again!
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#15
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Originally posted by etoile
Actually, I wouldn't advise going to Jamaica, period. Don't give your money to an island where the government actively sanctions assault and murder towards gay people. If you pick an itinerary that goes there, they'll get your port taxes, but at least don't ge toff the ship!
Oh I agree 100%!
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#16
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I think you will be fine in PV and Cabos. There is a large gay population in PV. Mazatlan is more working class Mexico and if you venture outside the tourist area, the reception may not be as tolerant.

We were on Carnival Freedom this May and we noticed a cross-dresser on board. We noticed because we are gay. When we mentioned it to some of the straight people we met onboard, no one seems to even noticed. I supposed on any line, you may get a stare or two. But other than that, I would say no one cares one bit.
#17
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Joined Aug 2004
I can offer you loads of advice. I am a crossdresser who has dressed on 32 cruises over the last 18 years. My wife and I sponsor 2-3 cruises each year for crossdressers and their significant others all over the world. November 29 we have a small group on a 15 day transatlantic cruise. We have never had any problems with any of the cruise lines. We do emphasize to those in our group that you must use your cabin bathroom or a unisex restroom on board if your gender marker on your passport is not female.

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#18
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Originally posted by melaniepeg
... I am a crossdresser who has dressed on 32 cruises over the last 18 years.
For the benefit of Sam75 and many of us who would appreciate a better understanding of the subject, how does one handle the personal photographing at embarkation and then departing and re entering the ship as the alternate gender? Or does one not leave the ship as such?
#19
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When I was on Carnival in January there was a male cross dresser who came to dinner every night in a dress. It did not appear to be a big deal to anyone. Staff or passengers.
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#20
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Originally posted by Ron n Jon
For the benefit of Sam75 and many of us who would appreciate a better understanding of the subject, how does one handle the personal photographing at embarkation and then departing and re entering the ship as the alternate gender? Or does one not leave the ship as such?
It is less hassle if you want to leave the ship enfemme that you be enfemme when your photo is taken when you first come on the ship.