If Dubai cuts QE2 loose, what should be her fate?

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Poll: If Dubai cuts QE2 loose, what should be her fate (choose all that apply)?
Poll Results
If Dubai cuts QE2 loose, what should be her fate (choose all that apply)?

Become a Southampton-based floating hotel
83
37.39%

Become a floating museum of ocean liner history
85
38.29%

Donate parts to be used for the next Queen Elizabeth
26
11.71%

Re-enlist as a war transport vessel
2
0.90%

Resume cruising for Cunard
44
19.82%

Resume cruising for another line (tell us which below)
10
4.50%

Head to the scrap yard -- she's had her day in the sun
42
18.92%

I really hope QE2 keeps the gig in Dubai
14
6.31%

Something else, which I'll post
9
4.05%

Multiple Choice Poll.

Voters: 222.  You may not vote on this poll.

#1
London, UK
209 Posts
Joined Mar 2008
You may have heard the rumblings that due to the economic downturn, Nakheel, the government-owned company that's handling Queen Elizabeth 2's transformation, may have altered or postponed the plans to convert the former cruise ship into a luxury hotel in Dubai.

It's still too early to tell exactly how the QE2 project will be impacted by Nakheel's financial woes, but news of the company's struggles have led Cruise Critic members to speculate about a different fate for QE2, including a one-way ticket to the scrap yard or even a repurchase of the classic vessel by Cunard.

So, if Dubai cuts QE2 loose, we want to know -- what would you like to have happen to the ship? Vote in our poll, and be sure to post your opinion below!

Kelly
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#2
Scotland and Norway
529 Posts
Joined Sep 2007
if a floating hotel, has to be on the Clyde (in my opinion).
#3
3,256 Posts
Joined Oct 2005
The fantasy in me would automatically say "Bring her back to Cunard" and let us all sail on her again. But I am afraid I am too much of a realist - my head and heart never do seem to agree.

I think if the Dubai plans do fail then I'm afraid even I would resign myself to the idea of scrapping her.

However, interestingly, I voted to save her as a floating museum.

So totally committed....to all causes!

David
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#4
Dundee
621 Posts
Joined Jul 2008
Become Seawise University 2 or head to Alang. Maybe Cunard service again but I doubt it. A Hotel.... As long as nothing is touched.
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#5
Lincoln CA USA, 95648
12,739 Posts
Joined Aug 2000
I said preserve her as a museum, but scrapping might be the best alternative.
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#6
Scotland
12,199 Posts
Joined Jan 2006
Hi All.

Return her to the place of her birth, turn into a museum for Cunard, Cruising and the Clyde as well as place to teach seamanship. With on board restruant etc.

yours Shogun
#8
West Yorkshire.
4,520 Posts
Joined Oct 2003
I voted for her to be returned to her home port ( Southampton) that way plenty of cruisers will see her.
However the practicalities would be endless----- who will pay for her to be returned etc.
I suspect that Cunard got a fair price when they sold her, which has probably already been invested in the construction of the new QE.
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#9
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Well I voted for her to be turned into a hotel if there is anyone out there these days with the resources to do that. She'd fit well in Southampton, it's an active cruising port and she might do well with cruisers coming and going and people looking for a hit of nostalgia. Maybe they'd not mind the small cabins as part of the illusion of being onboard an older ocean liner. It would be easy to incorporate some sort of museum display with in.

To think Cunard/ Carnival would take her back to run her is pie in the sky....2010 is less than a year away and they are focused on their new build....I'm sure they took their money and smiled all the way to the bank. And I don't see them parting with any of it to get her back. The same would hold true for any other line as far as 2010 is concerned.

It's a shame to think of her sitting there neglected but I'd say at this point speculation as to her future or lack therof is just that....but I'd hate to see her on the beach.

Cheers, Penny

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#10
Connecticut
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Joined Sep 2007
OK, I voted that the QE2 should become something else. The QE2 would be best served as the QE2 condominiums, a ship that would continue to sail around the world with her tenants as passengers, those who would love being a continuous part of the famous ship. That would mean she woudn't remain the property of a country that has no respect for her. She wouldn't become the property of Cunard who really didn't seem to respect her in the end. She wouldn't become the property of a company who would run her into the ground. She wouldn't go to a scrap heap. And she wouldn't become a floating anything. She would remain a ship and sail as she always had as an elegant icon and become the property of owners who would care for her, love her, and enjoy her in the manner she has become accustomed. And I happen to know many board members who would consider being a partial owner of the QE2, a wonderful honor.
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#11
Cape May Court House, NJ
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WOW! The economy is even striking the multi-billioniares! I didn't realize it was that bad. I suppose that all those lovely resorts built near Dubai will turn back to the sands, just like the pyramids.

lol

Come on, do you think the average human being cares that such rich people cannot afford more luxury?
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#12
Outside Philadelphia PA USA
466 Posts
Joined Apr 2002
I chose - let another line run her. Carnival/Cunard have made the mistake of letting her go and the corporate stiffs do not deserve another shot at her.

I like to dream that another line would take over, clean her up and run her for years longer. I choose Crystal mostly because they do a world service like QE2 can do. They would be able to send the ship on a varied set of trips that travelers would enjoy.

If Dubai could strip out parts of her insides, maybe someone else could do so and make her into a ship for another bunch of years. The hull and engines are fine. Some of the upperworks could be replaced.

Someone had the idea of taking the logo shop and putting a dining room there. I like that idea. Don't quite know where the galley is, but no one has invited me to do the redesign.

I wonder if part of the problem is they are finding that stripping out the inside decks to rebuild is more of a problem than anyone thought. QE2 was built onsite. Each cabin and space was built on the ship from parts. They didn't do as recent ship builders do which is cabins are pre-made and rolled in place near complete.

The Norway made a lot of people happy for years after the French failed to make a go of her. People would love QE2 again if the right company took an interest.

I sure hope Cunard are rethinking what ships they need, and are considering something other than cruise ship Victoria for their next option. We need a Statendam class ship that can take Cunarders into smaller ports, like Sagafjord/Caronia did.
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#13
34 Posts
Joined Jan 2006
Or, as one of the QE2 Engineers suggested, she should become a hotel in Southampton...a crew hotel, for all those crew members who join their ships and have to stay overnight or after or before flights home...the rest of the ship could become a restaurant/museum....a huge maintenance job I know....but...
#14
Yorkshire England
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Joined Jun 2008
Should the Emeratis want rid of it what about this for a fitting end to ‘the bloody boat’?–

It should be emptied of all hazardous fluids except for enough fuel to run a small generator for about an hour.
It should be rigged overall with the most magnificent firework display.
Then it should be towed out somewhere very deep.
Cruise ships from every company should surround it at a safe distance.
Then immediately after sunset the fireworks should start.
About 2 minutes after they finish the genny should kick in and illuminate the funnel all round.
Suitable music should begin extremely loudly. E.g. Pomp and Circumstance or Nimrod or Barber’s Adagio, something along those lines anyway.
After about 10 minutes there would be a muffled explosion as the bottom was blown out and she would slip beneath the waves with the funnel still lit up and the music playing.
Gari


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West Yorkshire.
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garigoun,
I think your comments will prove to be very unpopular.
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#16
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Originally posted by upwarduk
garigoun,
I think your comments will prove to be very unpopular.
I expect you are right but I think it would be a very dramatic end.

Whatever it becomes, hotel, resort etc. it's going to cost a fortune and there will be hordes of people who hate it anyway It should be scrapped.

Alang or Götterdämmerung?

I know which I think is best.
Gari
#17
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Originally posted by upwarduk
garigoun,
I think your comments will prove to be very unpopular.
Of course they will!!!

Surely you don't want him to change the habits of a lifetime at this late stage in his career

J
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Originally posted by garigoun
I expect you are right but I think it would be a very dramatic end.

Whatever it becomes, hotel, resort etc. it's going to cost a fortune and there will be hordes of people who hate it anyway It should be scrapped.

Alang or Götterdämmerung?

I know which I think is best.
Gari
Grizzly,

You always have such wonderful ideas. Keep up the good work!!!
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Originally posted by garigoun
I expect you are right but I think it would be a very dramatic end.

Whatever it becomes, hotel, resort etc. it's going to cost a fortune and there will be hordes of people who hate it anyway It should be scrapped.

Alang or Götterdämmerung?

I know which I think is best.
Gari
Should she be scrapped im going to go for the more conventional 'beaching'...
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#20
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From day one I have been of the opinion that QEII should not have been sold off to the highest bidder and thus discarded like an unwanted ship with a relatively unknown future that was not entirely stable.

Nakheel have run into financial trouble....what more does anyone expect with the recession hitting everyone?

QEII should NEVER have left UK shores, but (and I know this is controversial) since QEII was the only part of Cunard that was BRITISH through and through, CCL decided that if they were to get Cunard more into the CCL mould, the QEII had to go.

She is OUR ship, and we should have been given the chance to take her into one of our ports and restored to how she was before CCL added the broom cupboard cabins and we should have kept her as she is our heritage and no-one elses.

But no, CCL in Miami wanted to get rid of all Britishness and introduce gaudy jelly mould ships that can be found in their other lines, build a French ship and make her so ugly and so big that she bears no resemblance to her supposed British pedigree and then to add a glorified Vista class or two. The only good thing to happen with QV is the dent in her backside when she went into the quay in Valletta. Malta is very British orientated, even if they are no longer formally attached as they were til Mintoff caused ructions in the late 1970's. Tbh I would not be surprised at all if the dent in QV was a protest for ruining the image of Cunard with that floating block of flats that has about as much character as a kitchen sink.

Sorry but Cunard is no longer a symbol of Great Britain, it has not been so since CCL bought it and losing QEII to a foreign buyer proves that CCL wanted to Americanise the brand, just as they have with HAL, Princess & P&O.