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CT Sean

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  1. If the NCL ruling sticks - and I'll be shocked if it doesn't, it's pretty long established that a business can refuse service for a wide range of reasons - I would expect Royal and Carnival to start requiring vaccine proof as well in FL. none of these cruise lines want unvaccinated passengers, they're allowing them - while placing as much burden as possible on them - so they could resume operations.
  2. I've also never sailed during a smallpox or measles pandemic. If I had the opportunity, there's a good chance I'd have thought differently. Have you ever sailed during a smallpox or measles pandemic?
  3. It's a 3+ hour trip. I'd just rent a car. This should probably be in the Florida departures subforum.
  4. It depends on the cruise ship schedule each day but Royal seems to most commonly dock at Pier B which is the next pier south-southwest of Mallory Square. If you look on Google Maps satellite view - it's the pier with the larger of the two ships
  5. This is the earliest I can find currently 5 Night Labadee Cruise Oct 24, 2021 . Now that the Local ordinance is preempted, I won't be a bit surprised if earlier trips get added. Earliest Carnival cruise I can find is Oct 11th
  6. I'm guessing the cruise ship ban is finally about to officially get preempted https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2021/1194 6/28/2021 • Signed by Officers and presented to Governor
  7. Agree with the above - it's not a lot of time. What you "MUST" do depends on what you like to do.
  8. I didn't have to have to decide - Royal decided for us by cancelling all NJ cruise in August. We did take the money this time though (the cruise was already a rebooking with FCC from last year). I'm not willing to take a chance on sailing with unvaccinated people and having an outbreak ruining my trip. Pretty disappointed in Royal for backing down on their requirements. Hopefully it works out for them, though there's a good amount of evidence of what happens when lots of unvaccinated people are clustered together. I'm not interested in being part of their experiment.
  9. This was a component of the bill that was voted for so I think there's no discussion to be had Prohibiting cruise ships with a capacity of 1,300 or more persons. YES: 7,852 (61%) NO: 5,087 (29%)
  10. 60 days - that's what I was missing. Certainly convenient timing. It gives little time for anyone to try and block it depending on when (if) cruising does resume this summer.
  11. Do you know if it would have defaulted to law by now? I can't find anything after that April 29th article
  12. Florida state officials not releasing medical examiners' coronavirus death data More data without context. 7 of the top 10 States with the highest death rates are also where the pandemic first exploded. As doctors learned how to treat the severely infected, death rates went down. Unless, you're claiming that FL is better at treating patients that NY, MA, CT, NJ,etc. but you;re gonna need evidence to support it. From that same source, there also this story Florida state officials not releasing medical examiners' coronavirus death data
  13. While I agree that Florida's handling of the pandemic has been "less than optimal", citing the raw data doesn't prove anything. 2482 new cases doesn't mean much on it's own. 2500 out of 200 million residents would be pretty good, out of 2 million would be alarming. FL has the 3rd largest population in the US. Even if the infection rate was perfectly distributed in every state, FL would have 3rd highest infection count. That's why the "per 100k" is so important. FL's 7 day moving average is currently 102 per 100k. I do however believe FL is still a high infection rate compared to much of the country. NYC is 50 per 100k and so is Texas, but there are several states - WV, PA, OR that are also around 100 (WV is actually 115) I also have no choice but to wonder how many travelers have been infected in FL and brought the virus home with them.
  14. I won't actually see it in a different light. So I take it there are no physical requirements to be able to ride on amusement park rides (as one example) in CA? Based on your interpretation of that code, they are not allowed to "discriminate" due to height or weight or any other physical issue on the list of "medical conditions that prevent you from going on this ride"? By that same logic, cruise lines would not be allowed to prohibit pregnant women from cruising in their third trimester. I'll quote Disney's policy, but plenty of other lines (maybe all of them - I'm not checking) have similar. Q. Are Guests who are pregnant permitted to sail? A. Women who have entered their 24th week of pregnancy as of their embarkation date or who will enter their 24th week of pregnancy during the cruise will be refused passage due to safety concerns. Neither a doctor’s medical statement nor a waiver of liability will be accepted. In addition, Disney Cruise Line cannot be held responsible or liable for any complications relating to pregnancy at any stage. It's certainly possible that it's simply never been challenged but I'm thinking that CA status is not as all-powerful as you want it to be.
  15. Nobody is taking away anybody's "freedom over their own body". Cruising is not a right. You want to get on a cruise ship - you need to meet some requirements and one of those - for the time being at least - should be proof of vaccination against a virus that has been clearly shown will infect a large number of passengers given the slightest opportunity. HIV is is no way analogous to Covid - it doesn't spead like fire through the air. If it did - it would be completely reasonable to say ALL passengers (limiting to gay passengers is discriminatory) are required have some measure of prevention.
  16. That's good and I support your business doing it - but this law isn't about masks. This law says you are not allowed to require patrons to have the COVID vaccine- even if you wanted to. I'm not saying a restaurant would want to - seems a bit excessive - but the point is you can't.
  17. This is an interesting article about the ban https://www.sun-sentinel.com/business/fl-bz-silversea-cruises-to-require-vaccinations-20210412-7ok6fwabpndc5aop6oyla5tgvq-story.html I'm quite sure the reality is "it's complicated", but these 2 paragraphs suggest he doesn't have the authority: "Dawn Meyers, a partner with the government and regulatory team at Miami-based Berger Singerman, last week said DeSantis likely has no authority under interstate law, international law or maritime law to bar cruise lines from requiring vaccinations unless cruise ships were merely traveling from one Florida port to another. Jim Walker, a South Florida attorney who specializes in maritime law, accused DeSantis of wanting to “have his cake and eat it too” by calling for the CDC to allow cruise lines to resume operations while prohibiting cruise lines from requiring vaccinations. “Both of these issues are well outside the jurisdiction of a state governor,” he said recently."
  18. As it stands - the cruise lines can't. I doubt this would hold up in court if they challenge it, and if they don't challenge it, they risk a loss of a fair amount of business. I think a lot of vaccinated cruisers - myself included - would not get on a ship that doesn't require vaccination. Another article has a direct quote: DeSantis, who has sued the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention seeking to reopen the cruise industry, insisted he would not make an exception. “If you say, ‘Just let the cruises do it, no one else,’ it ain’t going to end there,” DeSantis said.
  19. Gee I wonder whether desantis will sign it or not. It's a bit off topic, but with his "anti-vaccine mandate", the only way ships can sail to or from FL is if the cruiselines backtrack on their (verbal) vaccine requirements - or fight it in court of course. Even fully vaccinated (which I currently am) - there's no way I'd get on a ship that doesn't require them.
  20. That order should block them from departing from FL in the first place wouldn't they? At least last I heard, Royal and Norwegian (others as well) will require vaccines. If they stick with that they either can't operate in FL at all, or they fight it. I have trouble believing the order would be upheld in court.
  21. I've been following the bills since you posted this originally. It's looking pretty good for those who like Key West as a cruise stop and bad for those who think locals should have a say in the local economy. Edited to add: Looks like it passed on the Senate floor this morning 25-14. https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2021/426/?Tab=VoteHistory House hasn't voted but all the subcommittee comments say "favorable" https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2021/267/?Tab=BillHistory I'd be pretty surprised if this doesn't pass in time for summer (obviously with the intent that cruising restarts from FL by summer)
  22. None of that is relevant. The claim that FL state honors local FL regulations and is not doing "something they would do in North Korea" is false as evidenced by the article.
  23. While I agree with your perspective - the locals should get a say, don't forget that FL state gov't prevents local gov't from enforcing mask rules, so it's not exactly without precedent. "Pre-emption" is actually bit of a problem in FL it appears, base don this article: https://www.orlandoweekly.com/orlando/floridas-local-governments-are-sick-and-tired-of-state-lawmakers-pre-empting-home-rule-and-theyre-starting-to-push-back/Content?oid=26756020
  24. The goal of the ban large ships isn't to reduce tourism, it's to change the demographic of the tourists. Someone in the service industry (in theory) only needs to be worried about getting a new job at an upscale T-shirt store when the budget T-short store closes.
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