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  1. Right now, I wouldn’t be surprised if future Edge-class ships have a larger mix of traditional balcony staterooms and fewer IV staterooms. However, don’t expect X to announce that as it would devalue ships like Edge and Apex with mostly IV rooms. My guess is X won’t draw any attention to the fact that Edge 3, 4, or 5 will have fewer IV rooms. We’ll just notice when they open for bookings and the deck plans are published. From what I’ve read on this board and others, some people (maybe not a lot) really HATE the IV design. Many think IV is tolerable, but has some drawback. And a bunch think IV rooms are just fine. But I can’t think of anyone who LOVES the IV and insists on having such a cabin in the future. That’s very telling. I don’t think X has really improved on the traditional cruise balcony cabin design. As someone else said on this tread, the real tell will be if any other lines incorporate IV rooms into their new ships. If the design really is a winner, others will copy it and guests will be willing to pay a premium for it. Until we see that, I think X might be stuck with a less than desirable product.
  2. It’s not uncommon for later deliveries in a class to have updates/upgrades from the prototype ship. Just look at NCL’s Breakaway-Plus and RCI’s Quantum-Ultra ships. They’re updated versions of the originals. We’ll have to wait and see what changes X makes to the Edge-class between now and 2024. We know the names of the next 3 Edge-class ships (Apex, Opus, and Luxe). Any guesses for the 5th ship?
  3. With Royal Caribbean, NCL, MSC, and even Virgin all with their own new (and amazing) terminals at PortMiami, I wonder why Carnival hasn’t developed one.
  4. Not sure you’re understanding the problem people have with IV and air conditioning. In a traditional balcony stateroom, one person can be out on the balcony enjoying the sun/heat and the other person may be in the stateroom with the a/c on. As long as the balcony door is closed the a/c will function. This isn’t possible in an IV stateroom. Opening the window turns off the a/c, and closing the bi-fold doors does not seal off the veranda from the rest of the stateroom or allow the a/c to be on. Therefore, in an IV room you cannot have one person outside and the other inside. You’re either both closed up with the a/c or both sweating with the outside air filling the room without a/c.
  5. Great point. If anyone should have seen the benefits of IV it would have been Viking. It’s still surprising to me that Celebrity opted to make almost all the rooms on Edge Infinite Veranda cabins. With such a new concept, I figured they would have tested it with a fewer number of cabins before implementing the design ship-wide. (That appears to be what MSC is doing on their World Class ships).
  6. Here’s a short video via Twitter that shows the entire model of MSC’s World Class ship. Definitely original looking. You can see the vast majority of cabins are traditional balconies. Worth noting that it’s be built at the same shipyard that’s building Celebrity’s Edge-class ships, so the including of some IV cabins makes sense.
  7. I think you’re absolutely correct. Right now I’m unaware of any other ship that will definitely have IV cabins. However, Richard Fain said Royal Caribbean’s new Icon-class will. That was before reactions from Edge cruisers were in, and it could change. Also, some have speculated that MSC’s World-class ships will have some IV cabins (see image of the model below). However, based on these images if those are IV cabins they represent only a fraction of cabins with most still having traditional balconies. I wonder if MSC will position IVs as a step between Oceanview and Balcony at an intermediate price point. If so, that would indicate Celebrity made a blunder by filling their premium Edge-class ships with almost all IV cabins.
  8. The livery of the Celebrity ships have had an interesting history. The original ships (Meridian, Horizon, and Zenith) used a modern blue and white hull inspired by private yachts. The larger Century, Mercury, and Galaxy followed this same look. Then Royal Caribbean bought the line and ordered the M-class ships. Millennium debuted in 2000 with a very different look that included blue, black, white, yellow, and red. Some felt it was less elegant. I always thought it made the ships look like LEGO toys or superhero costumes. Not exactly the premium style Celebrity was going for. Eventually, the M-class ships were repainted with Celebrity’s traditional blue/white yacht livery. When the S-class was first revealed early renderings of Solstice included a light blue hull. Of course she was launched in 2008 with a white hull, but RCI adopted the light blue idea for Oasis of the Seas in 2009. Personally, I’ve always liked the original Celebirty yacht livery. I understand that it probably wound’t have worked well for Edge, and the fleet will look fine with the solid blue hulls. It does make them look more traditional (HAL and Cunard) and less contemporary and modern. My least favorite was the original M-class superhero look.
  9. Don’t forget about the dry dock itself. If that is significantly damaged it could be a very big problem getting Oasis repaired.
  10. Glad no one was seriously hurt. We’ll be lucky if the only damage was to the Aqua Theater and nearby decks. I fear there may be much more serious damage elsewhere and unseen.
  11. Agree. I can understand the 70yr old passenger whose cruise 40+ times not being a fan of Edge. That’s acceptable IF the ship is effectively drawing 35yr olds to cruising for the first time. Is there any evidence it’s working? While Edge-class might ultimately be ok for Celebrity once they work out the bugs and make some adjustments, can anyone think of another new class debut from RCI/Celebrity that has been met by so much criticism? Sure, every ship has its oddities but Quantum-class, Oasis-class, S-class... all were nearly universally praised for their design, innovation, cabin comfort, and layout. I don’t recall any M-class fans criticizing S-class when it launched. It was widely embraced as a step forward. Edge is the first new class I’ve seen that has received this degree of pushback, even if it’s not “most” passengers complaining the % is enough for Celebrity to take notice.
  12. I read somewhere that RCI had the original VCL removed from the funnel of Song of Norway before the ship was sold and stored. If that’s true, I’d LOVE to see them incorporate that original lounge into the design of the first Icon-class ship as a tribute to the line’s first ship. Maybe make it into a small museum with RCI memorabilia. Carnival is honoring their original ship by naming their first LNG newbuild “Mardi Gras.” Maybe Royal Caribbean should go nostalgic and name their first Icon-class ship “Song of the Seas” to honor Song of Norway.
  13. Totally agree. Just returned from Anthem. The Bionic Bar was usually empty. The two times I tried to order a drink there the system didn’t work. And watching the human attendant use a mop to clean up the liquid on the “bar” spilled by the robots wasn’t very appetizing. Dumb gimmick and waste of prime space onboard.
  14. Given the negative feedback from Edge-cruisers, how much you wanna bet Royal Caribbean is busy redesigning the Icon-class to remove the Infinite Verandas? Honestly, the IV’s feel like the worst cabin design blunder since the Nor. Epic’s split bathroom design. When you get past the hype, Infinite Verandas (Like Epic’s odd bathrooms) were an attempt to reduce overall cabin size in order to fit more cabins. It was a cost saving decision, not a brilliant design innovation passengers would love and pay a premium for. I’m just surprised the IV design was first attempted by a premium like like Celebrity. I would have expected it first from NCL or Carnival or some Asian start-up. I suspect RCI/Celebrity is working overtime to determine how to reduce the number of IVs on Epic III and IV (Opus and Luxe), as well as the Icon-class. It was a rare misstep after decades of design innovation wins for the company.
  15. I’m wondering what others think about the future of the Edge-class. Clearly, Celebrity took a lot of risks with this new class of ships, and not all of thier innovations have been well received. The goal was to appeal to new (younger) cruisers and that means possibly alienating existing (older) customers. I’m worried they may have only succeeded at driving away their loyal customers without really attracting the younger ones. Some Edge innovations will be easy to fix. Like the focus on cell phones and some furnishing choices. Others will not. Like the infinite verandas. Will Celebrity make changes on the upcoming Edge class ships still under construction (Apex, Opus, and Luxe)? Is a fundamental rethink of the cabin design with a return to traditional balconies even possible? And does anyone else think the Flying Carpet is unlikely to be a feature on all future Edge class ships? Edge may represent the first time a new class from RCI/Celebrity has missed the mark. Going all the way back to Song of Norway and Sovereign of the Seas, company has been known for real design innovations that change the industry. I’ll always appreciate their vision and risk-taking. But Edge feels like a swing and miss to me.
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