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  1. I don't think there is any reliable data to be found, either. My point is that being on a Maltese cruise ship is almost certain (lack of data makes it a guess) safer than being at home or a different kind of vacation. Unless there are other vacations that have an ER nearby, where there are no roads, where you won't meet anyone who hasn't been checked long before, except for the few hours you are allowed to exit that bubble. Not all of the rights, maybe, but it seems close. People sue the cruise lines over burned feet after walking barefoot on deck and while I don't know t
  2. Oh wow, thank you for making such extensive research! And yes, that was a contradiction 🙂 Yet, 3900 deaths since 1930 feels very small. Of course "every death is one too much when it's just a vacation", but transportation to a resort is dangerous too. When we limit it to the narrow definition, there are still 20 million+ pax each year (disregarding the .. thing), and of those an IMHO tiny fraction dies while on vacation. While counting people who died because their ship sank, or a fire broke out, we should also count the people who survived a heart attack just because they were on
  3. Do you want to suggest that without the PVSA similar accidents would happen (more) in the US? Anyway, accidents with boats happen, and of course there a lawless countries where 1000 people step on a ship built for 50 because it's cheap. But the subject is cruise ships. I've heard the definition of a passenger vessel before. I did mention that I don't believe that an international 12 pax limit for an international definition of a passenger vessel, meant to say those need a doctor and such, has anything to do with what local cabotage laws need to apply to. IANAL, but the
  4. Despite what other posters or you may think, I'm not attacking you. I respect you and your knowledge, and I've asked many questions directly and many times silently hoping you'd be answering. The only thing we really disagree about, despite you being an authority both in real life and on this site is cabotage. I think there's not much to be done about international law, except negotiating when ships are dangerous. Obviously dangerous ships, posing a threat to the "safety of the port", can simply be barred from entry. The incidents you name are "Jones Act" inc
  5. OK, instead of replying to all you said knowing that you'll say that duck boats also meet the definition of a "passenger vessel" for which it's impossible to define a more refined law, let me examine what the intent of PVSA must be, as it is being upheld long after steamboats exploded all the time and lawmakers thought they should take action. There must be a serious problem X being solved by PVSA, you wouldn't make or keep a law to solve a problem that doesn't exist. That problem X can somehow be completely solved by ships sailing to an island far away enough to be on a list of is
  6. Thank you for that link. I believe there are similar cabotage laws for aviation as well (though not about who actually built the "ship"), but there's a lot of truth in "That’s the abominable nature of protectionism: given time to work, it makes otherwise illogical economic distortions permanent facts of life, ones on which workers and communities genuinely depend."
  7. I really like "Act of God" as proper judicial reasoning. "It's not really our fault, God was suddenly messing with us!" I believe it doesn't work like that. It's not "The US" that wants prosperity, it is the individuals who happen to live in the US. If American X wants to exchange $700 for a cruise, he expects at least $701 of fun in return. And he probably gets it as the industry has survived for a long time so people get more than what they pay for or they would have stopped buying cruises. It really needs a long, and faulty, explanation to find out why it's bette
  8. I was indeed referring to the US built clause. We seem to agree that abolishing that would be nice for constituents. Apparently there's even more money on the other side for that part than what big agriculture is willing to offer. Regarding the flag and ownership. It's hard for me to see that a ship owned by a Swiss company, flagged in Malta, sailing from Hawaii to New York, is somehow more dangerous to the Port of New York than when the very same ship arrives from Rotterdam. I can see that crew might sleep better, the ship is maintained better, etc. on an all American ship as tho
  9. Whereas outlawing peacefully bringing stuff from one port to another on a ship built in Finland is something that lawmakers simply felt would benefit Americans? Why Toyotas and Volkswagens aren't outlawed yet is a mystery to me.
  10. IIRC the last two packages (X and HAL) I bought were also "limited" and specified (15 drinks/day IIRC). While specialty coffees were meticulously registered, it seemed nobody really cared about the number of drinks that did have alcohol once the waiter knew you had a package. And that was no secret, think waiters making a show of pulling the card through an imaginary machine. Maybe the lines have adopted a one size fits all rule for selling packages that fits every country's law, that also serves as a simple way to stop serving drunks without having to argue, and by openly "forget
  11. You don't need a special ship for that, any ship would do. But I haven't heard about hackers or frauds moving to a ship because it makes their "job" easier so why would you buy a condo on a ship that is "suspicious" (Bitcoin) already? It would also be a lot easier to have that ship 12nm from New York instead of Panama so the clients can come aboard. Also, the first failed attempt (a tiny structure which probably didn't even have a flag after which the owner was charged with treason (!?)) doesn't look like a place set up for hacking. I think they just want to have fun on a ship and see how it
  12. Aren't they simply reflagging to Panama? That's Panamese jurisdiction then, isn't it? I wonder what kind of shady business should take place there that can't take place on land. Well, except for selling tax-free drinks, electronics and cigarettes, hiring cheap crew, tax-free income and operating a 24hr casino. 😀
  13. CLIA said they're not interested, and said they wouldn't earn more. Things are different quite different now. Also, there's more than PVSA on their list of priorities but being allowed to do X is obviously always better than not being allowed to do X so there must be more to it than "we don't care". Of course they want to be allowed to do cruises to nowhere using the same crew, skip so-called foreign ports, don't want the hassle. Even if it's just the time spent by employees to find out if a combination of two cruises is allowed or not, PVSA is costing a lot of money. I simply don't believe i
  14. Allowing foreigners just to work on a ship won't make headlines I guess. Who would really care if the US officially makes an exception for cruise ships while the crisis lasts? I mean, nobody wants the entire industry to die. The law could specifically list all cruise ships for which the exception holds, or say that they must be a member of CLIA, so the duckboat owners can't say they should be part of it. That being said, who in their right mind embarks on a cruise ship now? This is a disease of which we don't know much yet, but we do know that many will know they once were infected un
  15. If all big gatherings of guests and crew can be avoided I'd feel safer on a ship than sitting in a small tube with hundreds of others for 8 hours. Fewers guests, only balcony huts. No more buffets, casino, bingo, swimming, performances. Public restrooms closed. Restaurants open all day but at very limited capacity. Salt and pepper on request only. Free room service. Massive cleaning and testing. And a much higher fare. Maybe even a pre-cruise obligatory quarantine of a week and denying guests for a runny nose. The ship sails slow, so when the ship arrives the guests have already
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