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  1. I am amazed that two information posts 5 days apart have different guidance. The science is really moving swiftly. At times, the speed of everything being changed makes me wonder how much thought goes into everything.....
  2. I agree. There should be better and clearer documentation on Royal's site about these requirements. Also, they should be emailed out to the people booked on sailings affected. They can spam us with sale emails all the time, so they can surely send us policy change emails as well.
  3. I never said that the CDC was or was not requiring it. I said that even the CDC says that it is not proven whether vaccinated people could potentially spread COVID-19. If we are not sure, then I am pointing out that testing everyone would be safest.
  4. The problem with this is how to justify only testing unvaccinated people as the vaccine is not proven to prevent a vaccinated person from spreading it as well. Even the CDC says that the vaccines are not yet proven to prevent the spread (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/keythingstoknow.html?s_cid=10493:covid vaccine:sem.ga:p:RG:GM:gen:PTN:FY21). So, for safety, everyone should be tested before boarding.
  5. I wonder what the US capacity limits will be..... Also, my understanding is that longer cruises (even in the summer) generally do not have many kids. Most Americans do not taken many cruises longer than seven days. These longer cruises are typically on smaller ships, unless a ship is being repositioned. I just want some more information to be released once Royal has hashed out a plan and received clarification from the CDC.
  6. I agree that the big ships were more profitable, but my understanding is that more families also tend to book these big ships with their water parks and giant kids areas. So, this causes a dilemma for the cruise lines. I still think the smaller (than Oasis and Quantum) ships with little to no kids will be the first ones to sail.
  7. I truly believe that Royal will start with some smaller ships, as those have few kids, with the vaccination requirement. The larger ships will many kids will start with test cruises. I think a divide and conquer technique would work well here. Test cruises will be done by lines like Disney Cruise Lines and Carnival which seem to have more younger kids. The vaccination requirement would not have much of an impact on Princess or Holland, based on what I hear on their demographics. Personally, we have little kids in our family; and we cannot meet the vaccination requirement whethe
  8. I kind of wish a decision would just be made. I have a cruise leaving in October 2021, but I do not really want to make final payment in early July if there are no answers. I am so glad I booked a refundable fare/deposit.....I appreciate your response!
  9. Has anyone heard anything about the cruises longer than 7 days (from a US port) and before 11/1/2021? Just curious. Thanks in advance! J
  10. I feel bad for people on either side of the vaccination issue. We all want things back to normal. We have been cooped up for so long and faced much in terms of economic, social, and developmental costs. We have new vaccines, but a couple of them have had pauses; and now it is up in the air how often to take them. There are so many questions and concerns floating around that I feel like either vaccinate or not is justifiable. In terms of cruising, trying to track boosters and the like will almost surely necessitate a vaccine passport. This is a sticky issue in terms of medical privacy as
  11. The conversation was spiraling around mandating a vaccine for general health of the population. I was referring to some health authority in the USA mandating it for all citizens. I really do not want cruise lines to mandate it (as long as they make FCCs right for their customers), but it is within their right as I stated in a prior post.
  12. I agree it is the cruise line's right to impose a vaccine requirement (as long as they reimburse future cruise credits in cash for people unwilling to be vaccinated). I am speaking more about the argument for public health and how some people believe others should be forced to take it to be a "good" member of society. Thank you for the discussion!
  13. Honestly, it would be left with the same arguments people have had about vaccinations in general. Some people do not give them to their kids, forgoing public schools. I have a daughter with an autoimmune condition and son with autism. There has been research going back and forth over the years on whether the vaccines I let them have may have caused this. So, yes, I am very cautious about what is injected in them.
  14. I find it dangerous to mandate a vaccine that is only approved for emergency use. I am sorry for the loss of your mother. I personally feel like doing what is "right" and "moral" should not be mandated. Many people do not want to be vaccinated due to it not being fully approved and several examples of potential issues (pauses with the Astra Zeneca and J&J vaccines).
  15. Where does this obligation to help others begin and end? I understand where you are coming from, but we have people drinking and driving, for example. People do all kinds of things thought of as unkind to the people around them. I am just concerned when "protecting others" is used in such a way. It is a very slippery slope. I know you probably feel like this is a no-brainer to get vaccinated, but I truly believe that dictating vaccinations based on protecting others has freedom and rights issues written all over it.
  16. I never said one group was larger that the other. I said it was a problem either way and showed a poll that was different that the prior quote. I do not think we know exactly how the numbers slice and dice for cruisers. Royal had a recent email survey of cruisers who are booked, and I am sure they are using those numbers to help decide. I would love to know the data they got. I agree that the J&J vaccine has had a very small number of issues, but having a vaccine paused is a PR nightmare when trying to convince people to get vaccinated. That was the point I was making.
  17. The problem is that the survey is a subset of the cruising population. Many people who cruise do not use this web site. I saw a poll where 41% people were not willing to take the vaccine (https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/541044-41-percent-say-they-are-not-willing-to-receive-coronavirus-vaccine), and the fact that the J&J vaccine has had a pause surely has not convinced those people. I do not see how either decision can make business better, to be frank, even with price increases. Plus, having to prove that you are vaccinated could prove to be a thorny issue from at least a PR pers
  18. I honestly think either stance will make a lot of people cancel. Many who cannot or will not take the vaccine booked cruises. A requirement for it may make them cancel. Then, we have people who want everyone vaccinated who will cancel if the cruise is not entirely vaccinated. Either way, the cruise lines are in quite the pickle. I think everyone just wants to be in 2019 again.
  19. Our family went last summer. It was overall as close to normal as I think you can get. Mt. Rushmore was amazing, and the natural beauty was nice. Don't get me wrong....I really want a beach in the Caribbean, but not having to mess with all of the drama of the pandemic was so nice.
  20. I would love, love, love to be a fly on the wall when they are analyzing the data from the surveys.
  21. Same here. Was asked about the Liberty of the Seas in 2022 (backup cruise to use FCC) but not my Explorer of the Seas (9 days.....ugh....I know) in October 2021. I just want them to say that cruise is no more. Glad I booked with a refundable deposit.
  22. We have an October 2021 sailing (9 days long.....so hope is quickly fleeting) out of Galveston on Explorer of the Seas; but our backup is a 7 day sailing on Liberty of the Seas out of Galveston in September 2022 (nice cruise itinerary for the port as it hits Cozumel, Belize, Costa Maya and Honduras). I truly think only my second one will happen.
  23. That is a smart move. We have a Galveston cruise booked for my family as we can drive there from Kansas (long, full day of driving). I am so ready to get back to normal at some point (fingers crossed).
  24. In some ways, yes.....but some of us have FCC to use in a certain time window. We were not made aware of any potential rule changes when given FCC (back at the beginning of the pandemic mess). I do not want to cruise under too many restrictive rules. I am okay with waiting, but I do not think I should have to choose between going on a trip with a bunch of restrictions or losing out on my FCC.
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