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  1. We actually called and talked to Royal Caribbean's customer service. Basically, what the guidance from the CDC intends, is for your second shot (or first if J&J) to have been at least 14 days prior to your cruise. However, what the wording of the guidance from the CDC actually says, is 14 days since your final shot. Clearly, because the guidance came out pre-booster shots and hasn't been updated. So customer service recommended that we not get the booster shot, because they could not guarantee that at the port, they wouldn't go by the wording of the CDC guidance, as opposed to the intention.
  2. There is a shortage/supply issue of antigen tests. It's nothing specific to CVS, pretty much anywhere you plan to get an antigen test may end up cancelling because they run out. Highly recommend ordering the at home telehealth tests well in advance of cruising, even if it's just as a backup for a CVS appointment.
  3. It's just semantics. It's technically "Arrival Time" on your set sail pass; but it's commonly referred to as either boarding time or check in time. All 3 mean the same thing, the time you start the process at the pier of checking in and getting on board.
  4. Seems like you just aren't understanding the posts you are responding to. People are making hypothetical "If... then..." statements, in order to explain the correct semantics. You are arguing that the hypothetical "If" condition is not met, while ignoring the fact no one claimed it is, it's a hypothetical; and ignoring the point of the posts, to explain the correct semantics.
  5. Can't check in for October 10 on Liberty yet. Liberty just came out of drydock; it shouldn't but I'm guessing that has something to do with why her check-ins are so behind all the other ships.
  6. This isn't entirely accurate. I have multiple friends currently working on the Oasis, and I messaged them after seeing this thread. That was the first any of them had heard of this cruise. Crew are certainly not asked if they are comfortable prior to joining the ship chartered for these sorts of cruises. A couple said if someone was uncomfortable working this sort of charter cruise, Royal would definitely be willing to end their contract early and get them home... but most people who's contract ends early don't get another one, unless it was a medical thing. (May not be true in this specific case, just relaying an assumption from crew point of view.) However, I was also told they couldn't imagine anyone being uncomfortable for these sorts of cruises. I guess (at least on previous similar cruises one had worked) the clothing optional areas are mostly pool side or open deck, not in restaurants; and the charter cruises bring their own people to run events. So for the crew who would normally work in those sorts of areas, it's basically a week off; and for the crew who don't, not much changes. One said they had heard of the production casts being put up in hotels and staying on land for the week, to open up rooms. Strangely, my friends had already been given a heads up about some Atlantis cruise chartered on Oasis in January.
  7. I think my point is being confused, so I clearly didn't express it very well. They are, by definition, discriminating against the unvaccinated, and I'm pointing out people saying otherwise are just factually incorrect. However, there is nothing inherently wrong with discriminating. It's a perfectly natural thing. Discriminating against someone based on certain, specific things is illegal. This isn't one of those things. I have absolutely no problem with the cruise lines treating unvaccinated passengers differently than vaccinated passengers. Yes, it is by definition discrimination. And that's perfectly ok.
  8. Literally linked you the definition according to Merriam Webster. The word "unfairly" does not appear in it.
  9. Might want to take your own advice. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/discrimination "the act, practice, or an instance of discriminating categorically rather than individually." This is, by definition, discrimination. It's treating people differently based on the category they are in, unvaccinated, not based on any individual attribute. It's just not discriminating against a protected class, (ie race), therefore it is completely legal. Discrimination is not inherently wrong, despite the negative connotation many between assume to be meant anytime the word is used.
  10. This seems to be the basis of your entire argument, and it's wrong. Nothing in SOLAS prevents countries from making laws specific to passenger vessels of a specific size or capacity. I'm not sure why you believe that is the case, but it's false. If SOLAS forced restrictions similar to the PSVA on all countries, the US couldn't exempt certain vessels from those requirements and remain a signatory. But that's not the case in any way. Even if your misunderstanding of SOLAS were correct, there are still ways around it. The US could easily change the PSVA from being a complete restriction, to imposing a fee on those voyages, and have that fee be inversely proportional to number of passengers. A voyage previously prohibited by the PSVA on a ship with 20 passengers now has to pay 100,000 dollars, a voyage on a ship with 2000 has to pay 100.
  11. That's not what that is saying. The qualifier "designated for vaccinated guests only" applies to both events and venues. AKA no masks required at venues designated for vax only, & no mask required at events designated for vax only. We probably won't know which venues or events will be for vaccinated only until we get on board; because it is likely to change based on what percent of passengers are unvaccinated on each specific cruise.
  12. These aren't decisions being made by Royal. These are CDC requirements for sailing with less than 95% vaccinated.
  13. All sorts of things could be happening. They might have cancelled everything they pulled from booking availability. They might have cancelled some, and aren't allowing bookings on stuff until they see how many people accept a swap. They might have lowered the occupancy rate they are going to allow, suddenly making everything sold out. Sucks, but really no option but to wait and see.
  14. Seriously? If no one stops you from doing something against the rules, that makes it ok? And how much does an item have to be worth before it becomes wrong to take it? And your view on whether judgmental comments are acceptable is based on how many likes they get?
  15. So you are against people making judgmental comments when others do something they don't approve of; and your solution is to make a judgmental comment when others do something you don't approve of? 😉 People ask "can I" when in fact they mean "may I" all the time. Answering both questions, no you aren't supposed to, yes it is possible to; seems fairly reasonable.
  16. Offers like that, it's pretty well spelled out in the fine print. You get the cup to keep, and access to unlimited freestyle soda for that specific cruise. The offer is not for seven days of soda at a time of your choosing. So legally & ethically, you can't use it on another cruise. It's stealing. Functionally, it's likely to still work but impossible to know for sure. Those cups use an RFID in the base. The first time the cup is used, the RFID number is marked as active, and an expiration date is applied. It's public knowledge that using them on different ships works; and Royal undoubtedly knows this is public knowledge. It won't be difficult for Royal to tackle the problem, they'll just start making workers activate the cups as they give them out and eliminate the soda machines doing so. We don't have anyway of knowing if Royal did this over the shut down, or at what point it will become a widespread enough problem for Royal to make a change to stop people from abusing this.
  17. As I've already said, you don't have to quarantine prior to getting a Covid-19 vaccination. That works nor differently for people who work on cruise ships than it does for people who work anywhere else. Chris got on the ship yesterday. He hasn't mentioned yet, but probably got vaccinated prior to getting on board. If he didn't, he can go get it any day they are in port and it's available, it just restarts his quarantine clock. I'm sure he'll be posting videos soon showing everything, so if you are just interested in how they end up doing things for him, I really suggest subscribing to his youtube channel. The important thing I'm pointing out, is that absolutely nothing that happens to Chris effects their ability to sail on July 3, as you keep insisting it must.
  18. No, they don't. For ships like the Odyssey which are doing test sailings, there is no crew vaccination requirements. https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/cruise/ti-simulated-voyages-cso.html You might be getting this confused because the CDC requires 98% of the crew to be vaccinated for ships to do revenue cruises without test cruises, but that doesn't apply to Odyssey nor does it require 100%. Or maybe you are confused by Royal Caribbean's statements that they intend to sail with 100% vaccinated crew, but that is not a legal requirement or anything Royal has guaranteed, it's just a marketing statement. There is absolutely nothing preventing the Odyssey from doing both test and revenue cruises without Chris and all the staff shown joining the Odyssey around the same time as him being fully vaccinated. Also... he's already in Florida where they are giving vaccines to crew members. I'm not sure why you think it would be hard for Royal to get him vaccinated in the next 10 days.
  19. Again, the CDC is requiring a certain percentage of the crew to be in quarantine. Some of the crew being in quarantine isn't going to stop the test cruise lol.
  20. I think you should expect anyone selected for a test cruise to have to sign an NDA about it.
  21. Not allowed to have quarantined crew? lol. They are REQUIRED to have both quarantined crew and quarantined passengers for the test cruises, to show they have the procedures down for quarantining. No one knows for sure if Odyssey will be able to make her July 3 sailing. But Chris has absolutely nothing to do with that. They already have enough crew on board and vaccinated to have those sailings; they don't need 100% of the crew working for 50% of the passengers; and he has absolutely no effect on their ability to run test cruises.
  22. "May" being the key word there. Covid-19 tests for unvaccinated passengers represents a guaranteed cost. Besides, demand is high and artificially inflated by so many people having FCC, so if unvaccinated passengers choose not to travel, they are easily replaced by others. And if unvaccinated people actually spend less on board, Royal can just up what they charge for the Covid test. An unvaccinated person costs the cruise line more to offer the same services to. The cost of the test, and the cost of having extra crew on board to act specifically as Covid Cops. That extra cost being passed on to the unvaccinated person, instead of being subsidized by everyone else, makes perfect sense.
  23. Royal Caribbean is required by CDC guidelines to test people who are unvaccinated. Either they can up prices for everyone to cover the increase in operating expenses this causes, or only up costs for the people who actually need to be tested. Personally, I'm cheering them for taking the more capitalist approach as opposed to the socialist one.
  24. Many of the crew trainings are done online via video followed by quiz while they quarantine. 14 days in his cabin after joining, during which he gets most of his training done. A full week prior to passengers coming on board to finish up the hands on training. Chris works in the casino, so it's also not entirely new protocols, 90% of his job will be the exact same. Pretty much all of the Covid-19 protocol trainings will be stuff he can learn via their online platform while in quarantine. The hands on trainings are mostly getting re-certified on the standard stuff, because people like Chris have been off so long their previous trainings on stuff are considered expired, on stuff like lifeboat drills, fire drills, medical emergencies, etc. Also relevant, there are specific crew on board purely for enforcing the Covid-19 protocols, and they have been on board since April, and enforcing the Covid protocols for their fellow crewmen. By the time passengers are on board, the crew will all be fully vaccinated, and the people who've been enforcing Covid protocols for the last month will just be switching to enforcing them for unvaccinated passengers instead of unvaccinated crew. Exactly what the protocols are will vary from week to week, and the crew will be having to train and adapt to those week by week changes in a matter of hours.
  25. No, the test cruise & getting CDC approval can happen concurrently with all that. And those issues have absolutely nothing to do with this thread and what's being discussed, Chris joining the Odyssey and whether he'd be working and people could meet him if they are on the July 3rd sailing.
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