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  1. I always just go look up Carnival Cruise Lines on Wikipedia - the fleet is listed there chronologically and it also lists former ships, some scrapped and some sold to other lines. But in short, the oldest ships are all eight Fantasy class, with Carnival Fantasy being the oldest, followed (not quite in this order) by Ecstasy, Sensation, Imagination, Inspiration, Fascination, Elation, Paradise all built before 2000, and the Vista Class being the newest, Panorama, Horizon, Vista. The Sunshine Class is listed as new, Sunshine, Sunrise, and Radiance, but they are all actually 20 year old ships refurbished and renamed. Breeze Class, Breeze, Magic, and Dream, are actually next newest after Vista Class and just a few tons smaller.
  2. Sounds like Beshears was one of the few people for whom the shutdown of the cruise industry may have solved a problem and saved her quite a bit of money, although I have to wonder if she got the refund / credit or if this friend did.
  3. Hi, beshears. I am guessing all this discussion was irrelevant after all. Did your ship sail?
  4. Carnival has suspended operations until June 27.
  5. Your thinking makes sense, but there are a few issues. First off, the entire Fantasy class has been for sale for years. Eight identical ships, all showing their age. Cruises on them go for bargain basement prices already and they get a lot of scathing reviews. Many people think they should have been scrapped long ago. When asked for recommendations between Fantasy class ships and any other Carnival ships, few commenters will recommend Fantasy class. Now don't get me wrong. There are plenty of people who like them, but probably not enough to keep them all full going forward. I would expect the opposite strategy. Offer good deals on all the Vista and Dream class ships, the biggest and newest, because loyal Carnival cruisers may be enticed by a newer ship they haven't tried yet for a good deal. People who consider Carnival a bargain basement brand would be more likely to try one of their newer ships than an old one. If the ship doesn't sail full, this gives the line a chance to try out some level of distancing between passengers rather than the normal crowded conditions.
  6. Thank you Monykalyn for your kind response. I wish you good health as you manage your risks. I feel similar in that travel has been essential to my happiness. I'm in my mid-50's now. By my mid-thirties I had visited Europe a few times (England, Wales, France, Italy, Netherlands), China to see the Great Wall, Forbidden City, and Terra Cotta Warriors, among other sites, and Peru to see Machu Picchu and the Nazca Lines. This after many visits to much of the USA (including Hawaii) and North America with a bit of Mexico, Canada, Bahamas and the Caribbean covered. Since becoming a parent at 39, we've done many more domestic vacations partially for her benefit such as Disney World, Washington, D.C., New York City, Dallas, New Orleans, Detroit, Minneapolis, Indianapolis, Chicago (just in our backyard but we occasionally do overnights in the city) and more. We spent almost a week in Muskegon, Michigan on the shores of Lake Michigan, and another week kayaking from our own private dock in a cottage on the Ohio River in Golconda, Illinois. We've collected geodes near Keokuk, Iowa. A year ago, for spring break, I went nuts and booked us a trip to Iceland, which made for an awfully chilly spring break, but introduced my daughter to a Euro / Nordic culture, something I had hoped to do with her. Of course she went on all of our four recent cruises which included an incredible excursion to the Mayan site of Uxmal, a swim with dolphins (I am not a fan of this, but she really wanted it), a visit to one of the small fishing villages on the Bay of Fundy, tours of Fort Charlotte in Nassau and the Citadel in Halifax, ocean kayaking at Labadee, and so many other wonderful moments. If more travel is in the cards, whoopee, that's great. I could instantly list ten US road trips I would like to do in the next five years. But if that doesn't happen, I've long since exceeded my own wildest dreams and expectations. I've exposed my daughter to the best experiences I could in her young life, and I am sure she will journey on with or without me. Best to you on your future journeys whether they be by land or by sea.
  7. This is a very important point that speaks to the original question for this thread. The small group discussing this here are repeat cruisers who enjoy cruising enough to look for people to discuss cruises with! I am a traveler who, before the pandemic, always enjoyed many different kinds of vacation options, including but far from limited to cruising. My answer to the question asked is, Maybe. We've been on 4 cruises in the past 3 years, enjoyed them all very much, but not sure whether we will rush back aboard. We live with my mother who is a senior citizen and the thought of being delayed in our return to her, or of bringing an illness back to her, is not attractive. She took us on our last cruise in August 2019 and enjoyed many things about it, but she will not travel again as she's crossed over to the point where she feels travel is simply too hard to be really enjoyable. My husband, who loves cruises but doesn't like being sick, takes Humira for plaque psoriasis and this impacts his immune system response, and he particularly lingers with seasonal colds and flu. He also has a deep fear of food poisoning, so noro outbreaks were already on my mind before COVID. I don't know whether the risk works for us anymore. A quick Google search showed that the projection back in January was that the world cruise industry would carry 32 million passengers in 2020. If you have been on Carnival, and of course you probably have if you're chatting on this thread, you know you see blue cards on any sailing. How many of those 32 million would have been on their first cruise, that won't happen now? How many of them will decide not to bother after all? If you live in the United States, you could very easily enjoy a lifetime of rich and fulfilling travel vacations without ever leaving the lower 48 and you can do it in your own private vehicle if you want to. We have among the most spectacular national parks, the most vibrant communities from quirky small towns to urban areas of incredible diversity. We have world famous landmarks and hidden gems. We have an abundance of food culture from dives to the most exquisite dining imaginable. We have primitive tent camping in unspoiled natural environments and massive posh hotel suites and every possible accommodation in between. We have mountains and plains, lakes and deserts, endless summers, spring blossoms, autumn leaves and winter wonderlands. You can travel on a shoestring or in tremendous style and comfort. Will we cruise again? I don't know.
  8. Possibly disembarking some of the crew and sending them home - real home. Chris Wong - Vlogs on YouTube about his life working for Royal Caribbean - was just sent home last week after floating around without passengers on Oasis of the Seas (and getting to live somewhat like a guest when finished with the daily deep cleaning work they were doing, dining at the specialty restaurants and enjoying the pools and so forth) for several days in the Bahamas before coming in to Miami and being put on a flight home to the UK.
  9. Be real careful with that "waiter." Visiting them for, umm, adult recreation in their staterooms can lead to their termination, irresistible though they may be.
  10. Agree. People believe and remember what they hear. Latest just adds to distrust and uncertainty. I predict we will see a contraction of the industry as follows. The biggest, newest ships will continue to sail, but they need will really step up their quality control game. Some aspects of cruising will change forever and I don't think onboard attitudes will ever be quite as carefree as they once were. I expect tighter security and closer monitoring of employee and guest conduct. They will also need to improve their environmental records and employee work condition standards. Many of the mega-ships currently on order from the shipyards but not yet started will probably be cancelled as demand drops significantly and each line likely has enough large ship capacity to manage whatever is left for the foreseeable future. Gradual decommissioning of several of the smaller, older ships. Carnival Fantasy class , Royal Caribbean Empress, Sovereign, and maybe Vision classes, Norwegian Spirit and Sky classes, might be nearing the ends of their runs, especially as port agreements expire. I question whether Carnival will go forward at this time with the planned rebuild of Victory into the Radiance. If they manage all of this well, and rebuild a stellar safety record over the next several years, they may recover.
  11. The wise people always say a cruise is what you make of it. Proof of concept right here. Thank you!
  12. For what it's worth, your cruise has a unique place in history, one of the last before the official break in the industry. I hope you have good memories of the rather unusual experience. Thanks for posting.
  13. To answer the question in the title of the thread, yes, for many, our cruising days are over. The current situation has heightened awareness of a slew of risks that were not apparent previously. The piecemeal reactions that have occurred over the past several days are nothing compared to what's coming. Separate from the outrage current and near future passengers are expressing, and the immediate risks of the current pandemic, public perception of the industry will likely cause a sharp decline in the industry, if not its demise. First off, lots of people are afraid of water and would never cruise in the first place. Then you get people who try a cruise once and don't like the small staterooms, crowded conditions, add-on charges, or other aspects of the experience. Then you get people who still remember the Carnival Triumph "poop cruise" and the many nororvirus outbreaks, and long ago decided this whole enterprise was not for them. Now you have several incidents of shipwide quarantines followed by a coordinated agreement between the government and the cruise lines themselves, all very well publicized, planting the idea that cruise ships are a dangerous environment with a high risk of disease transmission. People will not forget this. Period. That's all. We will see demand fall off, followed by the cancellation of several megaship pre-orders, decommissioning of some of the smaller and older ships (so long, Carnival Fantasy Class), and a contraction of the industry. It may recover gradually if it can rebuild a stellar safety record over the next few years, and through the next novel viral outbreak, and the one after that, and so on.
  14. The ship's webcam shows her docked now in Port Everglades. The Princess website posted at 10 pm Pacific time, which would be 1 am Florida time, that they would begin disembarkation and allow those who wanted to use the ship as a hotel to get back on. This illness is going to decimate the travel industry; while you hate to be a doomsayer, at least some of the damage may be permanent. Some segment of the market will fear epidemics and quarantines forever, even if this situation is brought under control and even if years go by without a similar situation.
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