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  1. Coffee shops figured this out a long time ago. If you sell someone a 10 coffee punchcard, you don't worry about someone punching holes in it because the customer who does that is losing paid-for cups of coffee. You can use the cheapest generic hole punch you can buy. OTOH, if you're giving out cards where people get a free coffee after buying 10 coffees, you make darn sure that whatever mark you make (special hole punch, stamp) is not something easily forged by your customers. Similarly, if being vaccinated gets you better privileges on board, giving wristbands to the unvaccinated folks makes it pretty likely that some will choose to cut/lose/forget the wristband so that they can enjoy the spaces they're not supposed to enjoy. If you instead give the bands to the vaccinated folks, they have an incentive to not lose or cut them off because they then could not use those spaces.
  2. I am allergic to a different vaccine. I have emergency room records, a report from an allergist of a scratch test showing an allergic reaction requiring prednisone, and a blood titer showing high antibody levels after just the scratch test. I'd guess that would be adequate proof. (My COVID vaccination went fine with typical fatigue symptoms. All other vaccinations have been fine, but I'm never getting another DT or DPT immunization again.)
  3. Thank you for all the reports, @notamermaid - I hope that the floodwaters soon subside and that the lost and missing are rescued. Please stay safe.
  4. Just for confusion -- the Queen Anne architectural style came forward towards the end of Queen Victoria's era, and long after Queen Anne the monarch had passed from this mortal coil. Queen Anne was closer in time to Shakespeare's era than Queen Victoria's reign.
  5. if the Argentine officials used sampling, they don't necessarily need to check everyone's temperature. If the protocol was to check temps on X passengers and Y crew and based on the results either decide to sample more or not continue to sample, that would make sense. (For example, if you measured temps on 200 passengers and all with within limits...would it really be essential to continue taking temps on the rest?) Or, it could have been that they were out-of-time or ready for a coffee break. We might not ever know...but I can hypothesize why it might be reasonable not to check everyone. Hospitals in heavy-hit areas are doing rather precisely that. If someone shows up at a hospital in Brooklyn with typical Covid-19 symptoms and breathing trouble, they call it presumptive and move forward with treatment without ordering a test. In areas where Covid-19 cases are still low, the protocol may be to test.
  6. The "leave our waters now" courtesy? https://www.bangkokpost.com/world/1892590/australia-tells-virus-stricken-cruise-ships-to-go-home 😞
  7. Hopefully this gives the remaining ships a blueprint for their returns.
  8. That is a very detailed plan in terms of getting folks out of Florida. It is not nearly so clear as to what happens to folks once they arrive at the airport where the charter flights land. I hope the passengers continue to wear the masks they are being provided.
  9. Say someone is exposed and catches it March 1 or 2nd. (I think that was about the date passengers or crew last interacted in person with anyone on shore.) With about a quarter of the people who are infected not having symptoms they may notice, it is reasonably possible that it was transmitted to someone else who didn't show symptoms or who didn't notice mild symptoms or who didn't report mild symptoms. Then someone gets infected who does manifest significant symptoms. Time in quarantine is a good but not perfect measure. There are no perfect measures.
  10. Someone who was infected but without symptoms boarded. (About 25% or more of folks who are positive for the virus do not have symptoms.) That person, while not showing symptoms, infects someone else who does show symptoms.
  11. HAL's rep said yesterday that "a couple" people on Rotterdam had flu-type symptoms. (The link is back a bunch of pages.)
  12. That article does not say. Perhaps there is more in the San Diego Union? I hope your friends continue to be fine.
  13. HAL acknowledging that "a couple" of folks on Rotterdam have flu-type symptoms is the reason I'd like to see a plan where all passengers are quarantined. I'd also like to see those that need hospitalization get it promptly even if they have to be medevac'd over to Orlando or some other less hard hit area. In the long run, some things need to change with the cruise industry. That time is not now.
  14. As of Tuesday, according to Carnival’s chief maritime officer William Burke, there were “a couple” passengers on Rotterdam with flu-like symptoms. Including crew, there are 1,048 people on Zaandam and 1,442 on Rotterdam. https://www.washingtonpost.com/travel/2020/03/31/zaandam-cruise-ship-still-has-no-guaranteed-port-its-sick-passengers-florida-officials-balk/?itid=sf_travel
  15. "News of the three crew members testing positive was announced by county officials later in the day. Dr. Eric McDonald, the county's medical director of epidemiology said the passenger was medically evacuated on Monday morning with cardiac and respiratory complaints. He said the patient was transported using precautions for spreading COVID-19 and later tested positive. McDonald said as of Wednesday the patient remained hospitalized in serious condition. McDonald said three crew members who had been isolated on the ship with respiratory symptoms were tested positive for the virus. ... On Monday, when the ship docked port officials said no one on board had any signs or symptoms of any illness." https://www.cbs8.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/patient-on-celebrity-eclipse-cruise-ship-tests-positive-for-covid-19-san-diego/509-f0d5eda7-dfd2-483f-a2f2-cee8b92d5b13
  16. And this, for me, is the crux of the problem: "And we need confirmation from a port that is willing to extend the same compassion and grace that Panama did, and allow us to come in so our guests can go straight to the airport for flights home." They do need a port, and very soon. However, I sincerely hope that comes with either quarantine or the requirement that people have a negative test before they're sent out into the airport to stream across the world.
  17. I'm glad your brother is doing well. Someday, I hope there is an explanation for the drapes closed requirement while they were passing through the canal. That is...weird.
  18. Why not assume that this is their truth and their experience? Are they supposed to be all "happy happy joy joy" in this situation? From several reports (and not just theirs) passengers and (some) crew aren't being given much information. If folks still on board the Zaandam are thrilled with the way things are going they are certainly free to say so.
  19. It sounds like this will end up being a multi-day delay on getting the Zaandam moving again. That's a long add-on for the people stuck onboard.
  20. The full Rotterdam FAQ for their staff is at the bottom of this article: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article241559956.html page 3 indicates that the Rotterdam plans to head to the "Northwest U.S. area to disembark guests." Looking at the FAQ and the level of detail and repetition -- I think there is some real unhappiness among the crew.
  21. Yes, it may be a factor: It is possible that using CPAP could increase the risk of spreading the virus to others around you. Be sure to talk to your medical provider about this risk. https://aasm.org/coronavirus-covid-19-faqs-cpap-sleep-apnea-patients/
  22. I wish them well, but I'm sorry that Rotterdam crew who didn't volunteer for this are being forcibly thrust into this situation. It is unfortunate that they did not ask for volunteers (in addition to the already planned medical staff)) and transfer the volunteers to the Zaandam who could live in cabins that are not occupied and provide support. (Zaandam was not full on this sailing)
  23. That is a fascinating article with many more details than provided in the HAL statement. A total cluster. 3 deaths in the last day, 1 before that.
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