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Mort passed away last night at 99. I true gentleman who always said " I am a happy old man. "  RIP Mort. We will always miss you and remember you. When he left the ship many tears.

5 hours ago, flossie009 said:

To an outsider it does seem odd that U.S. Representatives are lobbying Canada to change its policy when the basis of the problem seems to be with an archaic, and apparently ineffective, U.S. law; and when the CDC has  given no clarity as to when it will allow cruising to/from U.S. ports.

 

All academic for us in the UK as we are not yet allowed to travel and even when we can there is no indication as to when we might be allowed to enter the USA.

You nailed it, as usual. Great analysis. Hope all is well.

Oops.

4 hours ago, Dolebludger said:

I am watching CNN this evening, and was treated to an expensive ad from NCL - Regent’s parent company. But when is NCL sailing, and under what rules? The ad didn’t address such things. We are among those who fear that NCL and Regent and all the NCL companies will go broke and never cruise again. We don’t want this, but we fear it. And we don’t like companies paying big bucks to advertise things that are not immediately for sale and available. Isn’t that false advertising? Isn’t that a waste of money by a company we all hope will survive, but may not? Watching the TV ad was like there is no CDC no sail order, no cruise bans on many popular ports and countries, and no pandemic. Unfortunately, we have those things, and NCL’s ad ignores them. NCLH, and the entire cruise industry, may be in grave financial condition. Though we hope it can emerge, we know that expensive and misleading advertising is not the way.

Stop watching CNN.😁

8 hours ago, Dolebludger said:

Well, no and yes. FDR’s announcement of no-sail cash being adequate until Oct 2021 was made AFTER the financing. But it is old news, but not in a good way. CNN reports that Carnival won’t sail until “late in 2021”  and FDR said he expected NCLH to do the same. So it looks like things are getting tight.

Please provide the source of your info. I do not believe he said this after the November financing. You seem to have sources that none of us are privy to. And when asked to provide evidence, it seems to have gone missing. 

4 hours ago, Dolebludger said:

My source of this info is an interview with FDR that appeared right here on CC

Wasn't that interview before they sold $800+ million in stock in late November. Seems like old news. Yes?

3 hours ago, Dolebludger said:

 NCLH can exist without booking proceeds only until October, 2021,  and there is certainly no guarantee that cruises will be able to go by then. 

Interested to know the basis for this assertion. Please let me know your source of information. Thank You.

On 10/21/2020 at 2:33 AM, chaunceyb said:

Don't believe Regent! They collected our final payment on August 7, 2020 and then cancelled our cruise on August 26, 2020. We are certain that Regent knew that they were cancelling our January cruise when they asked for our final payment. We hesitated in making our final payment as we thought the January 2021 cruise would cancel, but we were assured that we would be refunded our final payment if the cruise cancelled. As of today October 20, still no refund. We firmly believe this was a sales tactic by Regent collecting our final payment, then cancelling our cruise, with their goal of selling us a future cruise. But what else would you expect from a an NCL owned cruise line? 

The date of this post is 10/21. Yet on your most recent post on 11/01 you state that your refund was received on 10/19. What am I missing? You  say "Don't believe Regent." Whom am I to believe?

15 minutes ago, rallydave said:

 

Understand your point and yes, they are providing these as recommendations but would expect some differentiation between those that would be required and those that are recommendations that would be "nice to have".  Listing all as should's puts every one in the same category and doubt all are required in order to safely sail.

 

Full disclosure, I too am not an attorney but, did spend many years writing high dollar Contracts with Statement of Works that live or die on using the correct terminology.   

Doubt that any of the cruise lines would sail without following all of the recommendations. Perhaps when they issue the new protocols, they will use the terms shall and will.

"The Panel was charged.....to recommend" Quote from  the report.  If asked for a recommendation, I would never use the terms you shall or will. Should sounds fine to me for recommendations. But I usually try to be polite. Full disclosure --I am not an attorney.

44 minutes ago, Dolebludger said:

I don’t know if I agree that the same cruise that Regent cancelled will cost more in 2021, 2022, or 2023. It might, but it may also cost less. The cruise lines (as well as airlines, hotels, and the whole travel industry) have a bit of a big job convincing  many of us that “big travel” is safe.  And while I hope this is soon possible, this is not time for price increases.  I know that FDR says “there won’t be any cut rate deals”, but what will he do if cash bookings do not show up?  None of us know what demand for cruising will be one to three years in advance.  We don’t even know if there will be cruising one to three years from now. 
 

And how do those in the US interior get to a cruise. Here, we are served by United and AA. Neither of them are providing any degree of distancing (blocking the middle seat in economy) so I tried to book a first class on AA to DFW so I could see my grandson play football. There were no first class seats available, and the cost for basic economy (which we would never take) was astronomical! The Washington Post has recently contained articles about how we can expect future airline irregularities after Oct. 1 when they are free to lay off employees. If they get more unreliable than pre-pandemic, we are not going to book a cruise that requires air. For us, that is all of them. 

Another airline screed. Been a while but knew it would reappear. Surprised it took so long.

62 posts on this thread in less than 8 hours. It is Saturday evening. People, pour a martini and relax. Nobody including the "experts" know what is going to happen in the next few months. So relax and go with the flow.

1 hour ago, Travelcat2 said:

 but are not as vocal as I am.  

 

Guess I'm a bit fussy😈

Surprise! Suprise!

3 minutes ago, mrlevin said:

Here is link to just issued prospectus for both new shares and debt:

 

http://archive.fast-edgar.com/20200720/ATB2WG2C8Z22MZZA22ZN2ZZZ662P72Z2Z22G/

 

Not a very pretty read.

Typical filing. Would not have been filed if it wasn't a done deal. Obviously, some are willing to invest.

20 minutes ago, wristband said:

Frank Del Rio: "We Always Sail With Full Ship"...

"There is no way these cruise lines will collect billions of dollars in income or the CEO’s will receive tens of millions of dollars in compensation each year with their ships half or a quarter filled.  That’s why when the so-called “Healthy Panel” comes out with its protocols next month, there will be no mention of reduced occupancy. The CEO’s will try and pack their ships with as many paying passengers as their ships will hold."

 

https://www.cruiselawnews.com/2020/07/articles/disease/we-always-sail-with-full-ships-cruise-ceos-del-rio-and-fain-show-their-true-colors/

 

Many of us here remember FDR and other execs as everyday passengers on NCL in order to be accessible.

 

I'm curious.  Hey Frank - will you and NCL execs be onboard for the first Oceania & Regent sailings?

 

Full ships,  crowded elevators & tenders, full dining venues, full tables for safety drills...and NO MASKS! 

 

Title this chapter: "the end of the cruise industry."

Complete BS by an ambulance chasing attorney.

4 hours ago, greykitty said:

But, does anyone like seeing the words 'going concern' in a regulatory filing?  I think not, do you?

But if you understand why it was there before commenting, especially someone with such extensive Big 4 experience, you would not make a big deal of it.

4 minutes ago, greykitty said:

We may learn a bit more from the next RCLH earnings reports, which is reported to be on or around Thursday, August 13th, 2020.  What I say on TV may be one thing - what I'm saying to the SEC may be another.

 

Tell Elon Musk that. Any CEO who makes irresponsible public statements is subject to grave  consequences. But then again, I think there was a post a while back where some read more into a " going concern" than anyone who knew what a regulatory filing was intended to do.

Some posts are inevitable. Surprised it took as long as it did. OBTW, who mentioned anything about the Navigator on this thread?

2 hours ago, Got2Cruise said:

I don’t understand the remark tedious. It’s called a pandemic. Fortunately taking a luxury cruise during a pandemic is not mandatory. 

Wasn't meant to refer to the pandemic or future cruising. Sorry for the confusion.

42 minutes ago, JIMinNC said:

With the pandemic expected to accelerate September into the winter and into next spring and summer, I would personally not expect US cruising to resume until fall/winter 2021 at the earliest. We have a Greek Isles cruise scheduled for Sept 2021 on another cruise line and do not realistically expect to be going. Our final payment is due in Spring 2021 and I fully expect that at that point there will be no assurance a fall 2021 cruise will sail, so I am ready to walk away at that point. I think we will be dealing with this virus until at least 2022, if not much longer. Just my gut feeling..

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What an optimist. 

Tedious.

3 hours ago, SusieQft said:

Regent did not ask my opinion.  Which is probably just as well because they know their business a lot better than I do.  😁 

 

Susie. Great comment. Wish other posters would recognize this. Thanks for your contributions.

3 hours ago, rallydave said:

 

The refurbishments you talk about are in a shipyard dry dock with literally thousands of workers working  24/7 with many months of pre-planning.  The ships currently have a skeleton crew who cannot work 24/7 and a heck of a lot more to do than moving some tables and cleaning.  The entire HVAC system will need to be redone with a new filtration system plus lots more in the way of work to do possibly while the ship is at anchor taking lots of time via tenders to bring and remove all of the change hardware  And remember for deep cleanings after Noro in the past, an entirely different company is brought in for the deep cleaning.  With COVID would expect an even deeper cleaning in every nook and cranny with possibly a subcontracted company performing this cleaning however remember while this is going on not much else can be done since the cleaning people will be in every nook and cranny from the bilge/engine room on up to the highest deck mast, funnels, etc.

 

 

 

Not sure how long quickly is but, an estimate of not less than a month to get the entire crew onboard.

 

 

And the 2 weeks has to be some kind of joke as no ship even if tied up to a dock with needed items readily available can possibly be ready in less than a month or more for this major change.

Please don't try to get the last word. This subject could go on for days and nobody knows.

47 minutes ago, rallydave said:

While what you want  would  work with Chase, I recently asked Amex as I had a credit on my card I wanted sent and the answer was no, have to send a check.  Have not actually requested a check yet but, that is what I was told.

Depends on the amount. AMEX has a limit. Would be good to know the amounts involved from all the posters.

5 hours ago, mrlevin said:

 

Although I was critical at first, pcardad is a very welcome addition to this forum; I really look forward to each and every post he makes; I have become a convert.

 

Marc

Not quite an apology but close enough. Certainly he contributes more than some prolific posters.