toad455

Channel 4 out of Washington,DC just said Carnival was moving their operations to Norfolk, Virginia. That is all they said.

There aren't hotels near the pier in Bayonne. There's several in Jersey City and Elizabeth that will shuttle you to the pier.

Cape Liberty cruise port schedule:

https://www.cruisemapper.com/ports/cape-liberty-bayonne-port-10133?month=2024-05#schedule

18 minutes ago, nelblu said:

No problem with parking with 2 ships.  When sailed in August there was Oasis and Liberty and they opened up the outside lots for overflow parking.

However, 3 ships would be a problem.

It would be four ships total: the two current RCCL ships, +1 Celebrity ship and the addition of the Vision. I wonder if Royal is seriously considering if the Vision can sail out of Philadelphia. Otherwise, it may end up having their entire summer sailings moved to Florida (Jacksonville?).

The port of Baltimore is key for a lot of cargo ships. News reports are saying it'll take at least a month to clear out the harbor for cargo (& cruise) ships to be allowed to enter again.

The issue with having a fourth ship out of Bayonne this summer is that the pier can only hold one ship per day. The Vision's itineraries would be altered if that is to happen.

5 minutes ago, Wehwalt said:

Major problem I see is that if they are both in Bayonne for any length of time, they're going to compete with each other. If RCCI felt it was worth having another ship there, they already would. 

 

But I would think immense resources are going to be devoted to getting a channel open to reopen the Port of Baltimore. Once it is, the problem goes away. 

Bayonne has three ships from May through September. 2 Royal and 1 Celebrity.

Can we just name these two new builds the Holiday and Festival?

Question now becomes is where will the Legend be headed until the harbor can reopen. News reports are saying a month at best. Manhattan? Norfolk is not available currently.

5 minutes ago, smokeybandit said:

In addition to the two already found?

Yes, it was just announced.

Two people have just been recovered from the waters alive.

I'd bet that the Vision's next two cruises will be out of Bayonne and have an altered itinerary.

Carnival's in a odd situation since I don't think the Legend can stay in Manhattan for a month+ and do their 7-day Bahamas cruises.

The Carnival Legend will be first to return. If she ends up going to Manhattan, then it should be assumed the Vision will dock in Bayonne.

Any chance the navel pier in Atlantic City, NJ could work in an emergency situation like this? No bridges to clear. 

Norfolk is indeed out. The port and the terminal are both under construction. Vision probably has their next two cruises cancelled unless it moves up to Bayonne. Carnival has little options for the Legend. Charleston? Share Bayonne with Royal?

1 minute ago, toad455 said:

So is Norfolk out? Carnival usually sails out of Norfolk in the summers. Not sure when Royal last sailed out of there.

Just checked. Carnival returns to Norfolk in February 2025.

So is Norfolk out? Carnival usually sails out of Norfolk in the summers. Not sure when Royal last sailed out of there.

The mayor of Baltimore was just on the news stating what a traffic nightmare this will be until a new bridge is completed. Might this force Royal and Carnival to move their ships elsewhere?

4 minutes ago, BND said:

Roanoke?  That would be interesting considering where it's located. I assume you meant Norfolk.

Yes, Norfolk. Oops.

12 minutes ago, rrraydon said:

Or the port in Bayonne NJ

It'll be either one. Bayonne or Roanoke for sure if Philadelphia isn't an option. Wonder if Royal would share their Bayonne terminal w/Carnival if they can?

Or Philadelphia if they can fit. I know the main reason Philadelphia isn't used anymore is even ships like the Vision can't fit.

Does the speculation now come if Disney orders new builds after the Destiny? A new class? the Magic is currently 26 years old and the Wonder is 25 years old. Disney will need to replace them within the next 5 years.

Honestly surprised they haven't used Imagination yet. Let's see if they add any new builds after the Destiny first.

45 minutes ago, rockmom said:

So far they have not been updating Cruise Mapper's port schedule.  

Cruise Mapper typically doesn't update on itinerary changes last minute.

I believe Grand Turk can only hold two ships. There's not much to do there and, honestly, more than two ships would feel very crowded.