greykitty

Is this after the Brazil report? Although it seems unclear about what exactly happened? I saw an article that said never before has vaccine development been parsed daily in the press....no wonder it's hard to keep track of real developments. https://www.forbes.com/sites/rachelsandler/2020/10/21/volunteer-in-astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine-trial-reportedly-dies-in-brazil/#6b69d5c42516

NCLH earnings report expected November 5.

From what I've read, several of the vaccines need to be transported and stored at extreme cold temperatures - I've seen numbers from -4 F to - 94 F. This is far more difficult that the usual cold storage needed for many vaccines. Not sure every local Walgreens will be able to manage -94 F temps. That said, a lot of companies are ramping up based on what they expect/hope will happen with a successful vaccine. Also, if two doses are required, it'll be a logistical issue to track each person receiving the shot and ensuring they show up on time for shot 2. There were issues with Shingrix with people missing the recommended window for shot 2, especially the first year of availability. Or, will they turn stadiums, schools, etc., into inoculation centers? Almost hearkening back to the polio vaccines and mass inoculations (sugar cubes back then). Will they expand who can give inoculations beyond the current personnel? https://www.discovermagazine.com/health/keeping-coronavirus-vaccines-at-subzero-temperatures-during-distribution Lots of infrastructure to consider, even if all goes well. Then you've got the whole probably tiered inoculation administration. I'm still guessing HCW and first responders, essential workers of whatever industry, then those 'civilians' with age and/or chronic conditions that put them more at risk, etc etc. How will those designations be assigned and verified? I remember some years back when the flu vaccine was scarce - I have Type 2 diabetes so did get to 'skip to the head of the line', but had to show physician's statement. A local pharmacy tech did tell me a month ago her nationwide chain was being kept in the loop and trying to work out best working practices. I have read that Medicare will cover any vaccine for its recipients. Hopefully all the major US insurers will follow, and subsidized inoculations for those who cannot afford insurance in the US>

MSC Grandiosa as well? https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-malta-cruiseship-idUSL8N2H74VM Costa https://cruiseradio.net/mediterranean-cruise-ends-early-over-worsening-outbreak-in-france/ And another tragic story if confirmed https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/doctor-of-massive-cruise-ship-the-world-took-own-life-amid-covid-fears/ar-BB1a5i6G And an interview with MSC - wonder if they went back for an immediate follow up, but the MSC guy did say limited sailing https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/5-important-things-to-know-about-the-return-of-cruising-from-our-conversation-with-msc-cruises-and-cruise-planners/ar-BB19WDk7

https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9573390682 https://www.king5.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/uw-doctor-cdc-study-anti-mask-covid-19/281-2f4ff5eb-0187-4008-a500-a5f9442df429 https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/trump-repeats-inaccurate-claim-about-masks-citing-cdc-study-n1243562/trump-repeats-inaccurate-claim-about-masks-citing-cdc-study-n1243562 https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2020-10-15/ap-fact-check-trump-flubs-study-on-masks-and-coronavirus But I'm sure people did their own source verification....

A misinterpretation of the CDC study has gone virulent on some social media, further muddling facts. One of the people repeating the incorrect claim is Donald Trump. https://news.yahoo.com/trump-repeats-inaccurate-claim-masks-194453508.html

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/cruises/2020/10/14/cruise-probe-congress-looks-into-trump-influence-cdc-cruise-order/3657627001/

@vera/lee, hopefully someone who knows for sure will weigh in soon, but I really thought the color coded charts and such dealt only with repatriation of crew. I would guess that getting crew onto ships in preparation for passenger sailings would be one of the items mentioned in the 74 point document submitted to the CDC, and hopefully all the lines have figured out the logistics and are ready to present the detailed plans to the CDC on request? But I thought the color coding for allowance of crew to transit the US was really a separate program - but could well be wrong But, you're right I think that the cruise lines are taking baby steps toward what will be allowed regarding US ports with the safe sailing suggestions. Be interesting to see what the actual implementation measures are on the various ships, wouldn't it? https://www.seatrade-cruise.com/news/cdc-posts-color-coded-status-allowing-cruise-ship-crew-transit-us

@vera/lee, I thought that site deals only with crew being safe to disembark, not a ship's readiness to sail with passengers to or from US ports? https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/crew-disembarkations-commercial-travel.html A response plan under the No Sail Order that is complete and accurate This does not mean ships are allowed to resume passenger travel, but rather that they have met CDC’s requirements to provide a safe environment for crew members to work and to disembark crew safely by non-commercial travel. Cruise company officials must sign an acknowledgment of the completeness and accuracy of their response plan. .... Meeting these criteria does not mean cruise ships can resume passenger operations. We don’t have enough information at this time to say when it will be safe to resume sailing with passengers. Cruise lines may need to establish additional safety measures before sailing with passengers is permitted to resume. CDC will continue to evaluate and update its recommendations as the situation evolves

Re legionella, from what I've read there's great concern especially as buildings are being reopened, if proper maintenance was not done along the way. I agree, so much news it's incredibly difficult to keep up, let alone verify how authoritative the news really is. Also, https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/legionella-discovered-at-miamisburg-hospital/ar-BB19MXNG https://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/legionnaires-disease-outbreak-in-lasalle-under-control-health-officials-say

Does this mean hard logistics and contracts with medical providers are in hand and have been provided to the CDC, or is she referring to the rather nebulous 74 step document? Freed, who made the comments during her weekly Coffee Chat with travel advisors on Wednesday, indicated that the health and safety protocols developed by Royal Caribbean's Healthy Sail Panel were implemented and ready to go but cautioned that the announcement could be further postponed, "If we don't hear back this week from the CDC."

Wait, does that say 'wherever your clients ravel '? My eyes, or computer, need checking? Or is proof reading totally a lost skill? Let's hope summer 2022 looks better for travel like 'before times'.

I thought the Disney reorg was really interesting as well. Definitely less emphasis on the parks or DCL as revenue streams now or in the nearish future. I'm betting a friend we see Black Widow debut on Disney + like Mulan did. Although I'd miss the 'big movie event' in the theater as much as anyone else, as well as visiting the parks. Disney stock is up, last I looked - and they're still paying a dividend. https://www.businessinsider.com/disney-major-reorganization-prioritizes-streaming-content-restructures-media-entertainment-distribution-2020-10

Might be a portent for NCLH? - RCL new offering to raise capital. J&J paused vaccine trial, but that, to me, is neither surprising nor necessarily alarming. But not super duper for cruise stocks in the moment, I think. https://www.barrons.com/articles/cruise-ship-stocks-sink-as-royal-caribbean-plans-to-raise-capital-51602603538 https://seekingalpha.com/filing/5193075

Carnival cancelled their November sailings from Port Canaveral and Miami this morning, I've read. Some may be more optimistic than others about the results of the Pence chat last week with the cruise lines? And I can't imagine the cruise lines wanting a superspreader event on any of their ships...they may indeed be thrilled to 'blame' the CDC for any delays?