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  1. I don't have to explain it. Countless scientists and doctors already have. Your ignorance is a choice at this point.
  2. Haha you Brits have a way with words.
  3. And I'm sure person who posted it was so proud of themselves for doing RESEARCH.
  4. Instead of trying to compare COVID-19 with influenza, it would be a lot easier to simply say, "I have absolutely no idea what I'm talking about."
  5. I'm not an expert/doctor. I'm not smart enough to earn a PhD in field like epidemiology or virology, but I am smart enough to listen to the people who did. That said, I hope the (sincere) answers I provided to your questions are helpful. Nobody likes businesses being closed, nobody likes wearing masks, but presenting as some kind of either/or situation like the graphic you copied and pasted did is, to be blunt, a silly thing to ask. And the idea of "my body, my choice" with regards to COVID-19 is more than silly, it's dangerous. Think of it like drunk driving. If you don't want to wear a mask, stay home. If you want to get drunk, don't drive. A drunk person on the road is more of a risk to others than themselves. The same is true for an unmasked person in a grocery store.
  6. By "work" masks aren't supposed to be some kind of guarantee against infection. It REDUCES the risk (substantially) of an asymptomatic person spreading the virus via aerosol droplets to other people. Not eliminate - reduce. The same goes for closing businesses. Does it guarantee nobody in a community will get the virus? No, but it reduces the number of bodies in potential transmission chain. Have you heard the phrase "flatten the curve?" The whole point is to make it as difficult as possible for the virus to find new hosts, so hospital systems/ICU units aren't overwhelmed like they came perilously close to being in New York, and are on the verge of being now in Alabama. Again, does it eliminate ALL risk of transmission? No, it reduces it. You're "forced" to wear masks precisely because they DO make it substantially safer for people to be around each other in situations that can't be avoided, like in grocery stores, etc, especially for the employees. You wear a mask for the safety of essential workers who CAN'T stay home, or people that are forced to venture out and buy groceries but are still at risk, like elderly, etc. You don't wear a mask to protect yourself, you wear it to protect other people. Any other questions?
  7. It's not a changing of facts, it's an evolving and increasingly complete understanding of a novel virus due to ongoing scientific research. Lets assume serious clinical studies began in January. Do you not understand why we'd know a lot more in late May than mid-March? No, you did some googling. Plenty of Internet conspiracy theorists also claim to do "research" but if you're just consulting bunk sources, it's anything but. Where did I do that? That aside, science isn't about "beliefs" - it's about research-based data. What does that even mean in this context? What specifically is your "choice?" If you're referring to mask wearing, it's actually not "your body." The whole point of a mask is other bodies, other people. Saying "my body my choice" in the COVID-19 mask debate context is like defending drunk driving by saying "My car my choice." Oy vey, why it is the people online telling you to RESEARCH (usually in all caps) are usually the most misinformed?
  8. Oh for crying out loud. These are all links from March. It was just Memorial Day. Practically everything here has been superseded by new and ongoing research. That's kinda the whole deal with a "novel" (new) virus that wasn't even known to the scientific community a few months ago. Find me a single credible scientist or doctor, anywhere, who in the last 4 weeks said wearing a mask might INCREASE your risk of infection. And the supposed government website link is actually just some letter from a single pediatrician. It's not some kind of policy statement or the results of any comprehensive study.
  9. There's literally someone on these boards who sincerely argued that was a sign staying home was dangerous and the stay at home orders should be lifted.
  10. Turn the Haven courtyard into an ICU ward.
  11. Wait a second, isn't America the greatest nation on earth!? How dare you point out that the very real truth that our education system is a JOKE compared to other developed nations, that we're the wealthiest nation on the planet and yet thousands of Americans can't even put food on their table, that years of stupid wars and tax breaks for the wealthy have left us with a crippling deficit. How unpatriotic of you to say such things! If you don't like A'MURICA maybe you should LEAVE! Sound familiar, JMO?
  12. There you go again, howling for the "mods" every time you read something that intrudes into your fact-free safe space. And again, it IS relevant. The title of this thread is "COVID-19 testing" - and the lethal incompetence of our criminally negligent leaders on that VERY SUBJECT is the reason we're all sitting at home and not on cruises right now. The very fact I DO believe in the United States is why it's so plainly obvious our leaders failed us so terribly in this crisis. Your blind fealty to authority doesn't make you more patriotic than me. Notice how you didn't engage the substance of my post, at all. You just reflexively dismiss any criticism of this country's failings as lack of patriotism, while you continue to insist anyone who doesn't agree with you that 'MURICA IS THE BEST somehow isn't as good a citizen, when you can't quantify what being the "best" means. At all. Go ahead, try. Tell me what makes America the "best" country? Would you have NOT preferred we had a per capita (if you know what that means) outcome for our citizens as good or better than a non-super power country with vastly more limited resources like South Korea?? Wow, how "patriotic" of you No, I'm not running for president. You're the one pushing the brilliant idea of using "enormous fields" for graduations and bemoaning the ceremonies didn't take place in person. Are you running for school board?
  13. There is nothing "political" about saying South Korea did a better job keeping its citizens safe from COVID-19, and it's not a "view" either. It's a fact supported by hard data. If our leaders were as competent as South Korea's, we might be cruising right now. It's so intellectually infantile to just bleat "America is the best!" Really? To declare something the "best" versus anything else in any kind of non-subjective way (if you know what that even means) you have to take measurements. What does best mean? Best healthcare system/outcomes? Nope we're not the best in that. Cleanest environment? Nope, not the best in that. Best educational system with highest-testing students? For sure not the best in that. What about life expectancy? Nope, not the best in that. Again, these are all things you can measure. Average citizens in North Korea think they live in paradise. You have more in common with those poor souls than you realize.
  14. I did use words in my post, 86 of them actually. Try reading them.
  15. No, public health officials and scientists who know more about the reality of this virus than you do told you to stay home, and you should thank them for it. At least you correctly realized they're smarter than you. No ceremony is worth people dying.
  16. Why would I post this? Because I hate seeing the needless deaths of tens of thousands of my fellow American citizens. It doesn't seem to bother you. And thanks for your suggestion, but I'm not going anywhere. Patriots try to make their country better. By any metric South Korea did a better job with this virus than we did. I'm an adult so I can understand (and be appropriately ashamed by) that without having some nationalist hissy fit. Loving your country doesn't mean ignoring its failings. South Park made an episode about people like you.
  17. Yeah, essential activity like going to a grocery store for food/medicine that is required to live versus a 100% elective activity like a cruise...same thing. You need help.
  18. Yeah, I guess only TRUE cruisers are willing to expose themselves to a novel virus with no vaccine, therapeutic treatment, or pre-existing immunity. Kind of like how only REAL 'MURICANS refuse to wear masks in public despite the overwhelming scientific evidence they offer significant protection for the people around you.
  19. I mean this sincerely...it's a sign of high moral character and integrity for someone to admit they're wrong like that. It's takes strength, and it's indicative of a strong intellect. I commend you for it, and I appreciate the posts you've made on these boards trying to reach the people who still think as you did.
  20. South Korea set the global standard on how to effectively combat this virus. I always love it when people say "America is the best country in the world!" Really?
  21. Seriously. Look at how triggered this person is. "Down boy." Merely because I say it's disgusting not to think of the safety and welfare of your neighbors and fellow citizens. Since when is being a decent human being political? I guess in 2020 America, it is. It'd be one thing if someone simply had the stones to say, "I'm living my own life, I don't care how my actions impact others, and if someone gets sick because of me that's just too bad - my preference for not wearing a mask outweighs their safety" I could grudgingly respect that, in a weird way. It's the people who try to couch their refusal to wear a mask in some kind of noble, freedom-based language that disgusts me, and is deserving of scorn.
  22. I'm just curious...what sources of information did you consult before making a declarative statement like that with such confidence? Or is it merely something you "felt" to be true?
  23. Anyone who refuses to wear a mask does not belong in polite society and deserves the degradation. How can you POSSIBLY defend such selfish behavior? What part of "IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU" don't you understand? You wear a mask to protect OTHER PEOPLE from a disease you may not even know you are spreading. It takes practically ZERO effort. I'd say the question is, what is wrong with YOU? Saying people should wear a mask is NOT a political view. It's a scientific view. I don't know whether I'm calling you a disgusting pig or not. Whether or not you think it's responsible to wear a mask in public places will answer that question.
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