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  1. 6 hours ago, chengkp75 said:

    If anyone believes that the cruise lines will give any more than lip service to "vaccinated cruises" after this ruling, you're living in an alternate reality.  They will go with voluntary statements regarding vaccination, and hope nothing happens.  As they always have.


    Ding! Ding! Ding! Internet winner of the day! 


    The real question is, do they have the chutzpah to think they can control the outcome of such a wayward virus on their ships with mere hope? A daunting task to be sure. Transitioning from the present calculated risk position to flat out gambling and hoping for the best, might not be the best course for longevity and continuity.      

  2. 3 hours ago, SRQbeachgirl said:


    No, COVID will not magically disappear. But with vaccines, effective therapy drugs, naturally-acquired immunity, and an increasing understanding of the virus, we can get back to normal.


    Hopefully the cruise industry can survive the long route. If they simply "return to normal" the outcome is pretty predictable. The transportation aspects of this ruling are also troubling. There is a reason masks are still required for public transportation. This may not end up how many imagine. We may all end up in the same boat of restrictions and cruising may be far from normal. More fear, uncertainty and doubt isn't a good position for the cruise lines or those holding cruise stocks.     

  3. Meh, some infotainment networks are working in overdrive to pump fear, doom & gloom and panic. The world is not ending and everything will work out but you wouldn't know that if all you watch is infotainment channels that are basically 24-hour echo-chambers of fear and perpetually push negativity to pump ratings. Outrage sells, even manufactured outrage. Based on bookings and demand, it appears the economy is poised for a huge rebound. Cruising included. Pent up demand is through the roof! Picking individual aspects that are temporarily upside-down, one could paint a picture of doom but that doesn't tell the whole story and ignores the big picture. Even all these FCC will eventually wash out and that should relive some pressure as well. Six months to a year from now, much of the hype and economic innuendo will have passed. The economic potential upside going into 2022 is much bigger than the temporary micro downsides of 2021 and yet and still, 2021 will be a success overall, when all things are considered. The economy is strong and its potential, even stronger. Full steam ahead!      

  4. 43 minutes ago, pc_load_letter said:

    Not to be a dead horse about CA but I heard this morning regarding the "re-opening" of CA, that the CA .gov will still require travelers on trains, airplanes etc, to wear masks.


    Now I am not a lawyer and I am sure once a boat leaves the dock, it might not apply but I am sure CA will require masks on (at least) embarkation day.


    They will more than likely defer, like they are doing with the whole Cal Osha fiasco. The governor said he would use an executive order if needed, in order to align the mask requirements for workers with CDC guidelines. I don't see him going out of his way to ensure masks are worn on cruise ships as It goes against the realignment efforts with the CDC. Plus I'm sure there will be pressure to end the emergency deceleration as they have moved up the recall vote by a few months. I'm sure that will be fodder if it's still in place. People are already attacking him on it since all the other orders were rescinded today and the state fully reopened.    

  5. 1 hour ago, Tapi said:

    As others have mentioned, that week before Christmas is still pretty dead. I currently have an MSC cruise with a deposit (don’t know yet if I’ll actually stick to it or not) which departs from Miami on December 18th and the reason why I booked it is because it’s dirt cheap. Checking rates for it this week, the rates have actually gone down even more. 

    Cruise Lines are gradually adding more and larger ships to the west coast which is creating more competitive pricing. But Mexican Riviera itineraries have always been less popular than Caribbean cruises, which is why for a long time there wasn’t much competition in this market. 

    We are booked on the Panorama for February 2022 (at rock bottom prices). It will be my first time sailing the Mexican Riviera and I’m excitedly looking forward to it. 


    Even Royal is bringing a ship back to the west coast, they haven't cruised out of CA in a long while. Navigator of the Seas will be coming in summer 2022. February is a great time to cruise the Mexican Riviera. Anytime during January through the end of April, sometimes even into may is optimal IMO. It's a great itinerary and the weather is perfect in Mexico during that time.   

  6. 10 hours ago, IntrepidFromDC said:

    The west coast of Mexico is more unspoiled, but have you ever swam in the Pacific Ocean?  Compared to crystal clear water with beautifully colored fish in the Caribbean?  Oh, and the water is between refreshing and warm, unlike the frigid Pacific.  I've been wanting to take my daughter on a cruise to Cabo San Lucas (I was there before she was born) but I miss swimming in warm ocean water sooooo much.


    Visit June/July/Aug, water temps are  plenty warm in Cabo. 

  7. 11 hours ago, bdever said:

    It’s not due to popularity. The fact that Corporate has scheduled Panorama as the 8th ship in the fleet on the restart & California as the 4th restart state speaks volumes $$$$$. It’s colder this time of year along the Pacific (says the California girl born, raised 🤣) and maybe that has something to do with it. I will say this much, I’m booked for 12/31/21 and the Havana cabins been sold out for WEEKS. 


    Nailed it. 

  8. 6 hours ago, BoozinCroozin said:

    There is nothing wrong with businesses banning smoking nor requiring vaccination. These are voluntary choices. YOU make the choice to smoke which is against a business' policies. Smoking drastically increases the cost of insurance to the point some businesses can't afford to offer it. The decision is to either punish the 90%+ or tell the <10% either quit smoking or find somewhere else to work. The same goes for the employees at the hospital. It is your choice to work there. If they require vaccination, YOU make the choice whether you want to work there.


    This is the problem in the US. We have people that think they have Freedom of Choice AND Freedom From Consequences. That is simply not the case. You accept the consequences based on your choices.


    Thanks for reiterating my point. Nonetheless, the slippery slope aspect remains valid. The second employers were allowed to interlope into our personal lives/legal choices/freedoms we lost something that will be difficult to get back. It might not effect some yet, but it will someday. It's inevitable and only a matter of time. They will take as much as is allowed and the more that is taken, the easier it gets to take more.    

  9. 14 minutes ago, harkinmr said:

    You may think it's a slippery slope, but there have been crickets from Tallahassee since Celebrity announced its plan.  The law is that you cannot deny services based on failure to comply with a vaccine requirement.  In addition, the only teeth the Florida law has is a fine.  They can't otherwise restrict the cruise lines or deny their right to sail.


    Celebrity isn't requiring vaccines.  It's voluntary.  If you don't provide the proof, you are considered unvaccinated and they have made a decision and been approved by the CDC to sail with no more than 5% unvaccinated passengers.  Once they are past that 5% you can't sail.  Folks get turned away all the time for not complying with health standards to sail.  This is just one more time.  


    The slippery slope started long ago with smoking bans. Businesses were allowed to control workers even off duty (folks were warned it would snowball but didn't believe it). Nurses in TX just had their cases tossed recently as well. They sued due to vaccine requirements for employment. They were told they could work elsewhere and had a choice. Employers can now force you to get a vaccine as a condition of employment. I just don't see these anti vaccine laws holding up in court based on all other evidence and previous rulings and established precedent. The laws/rulings seems consistent: choices have consequences. Cruising is no different.     

  10. 1 hour ago, lovescats5 said:

    So, all you "have to get a vax to sail" people, have you been reading and listening to reports of heart conditions appearing in teens who have gotten the vax.  Would you want to take a chance with your teen's health which is about the same as you taking a chance by not getting poked.  Boardshorts said you were selfish if you did not get vaccinated but maybe some people are just tired of being told what to do by the one's who want to dictate what people should do.  We have a cruise in November and if it requires being vaccinated we will take the plunge, and pray it will not affect my granddaughter's heart.  Of course, since there have not been any real trial tests on the vaccines, who knows what other side effects might pop up.  Guess I can hope one would be giving everyone common sense, which does not seem to common.


    Anyone who drives their kids/grand kids in a car is taking a much higher chance of danger/injury. Statistically, it's not even close, yet people still drive and press on. Those that sensationalize a less than zero fractional percentage of side effects (that 99% get over) are doing a disservice. The potential side effects of covid are much higher. The vaccine odds are a much better gamble, probability/protection wise. Not even close. 

  11. 1 minute ago, MrMarc said:

    Helps with the reduced capacity in the dining venues, and makes people move faster so there's less chance of transmission.  Might make sense.


    It would certainly help reduce diners consumption capacity and move them along quickly. A couple glasses of water and dinner is served! The dance floor would be too crowded though and that's not good for social distancing. They may run out of booze also, that would be a real problem. 🥳

  12. 3 hours ago, PaperSniper4 said:

    I hope the Carnival Valor has this option. I have already downloaded the HUB app, but see nothing there about dining reservations, but then our cruise is still 6 months from now.




    The full app doesn't work until you are on board and connected to the ships intranet. Dinning selection can be made anytime after booking, the earlier the better.   

  13. Handling it myself these days. I like the control. I have done a TA once and it was a frustrating experience trying to change/adjust things since the lines won't even talk to you. I found the whole process rather stupid and ridiculous to be perfectly honest. Calling someone to call someone and telling someone something to tell someone else. Redundant. I would consider using a TA if there was some kind of really good deal. Costco Travel and Expedia Cruises have good deals sometimes, especially for last min stuff, though booking early seems to yield good results so I have been doing that and probably will continue.    

  14. 1 minute ago, firefly333 said:

    Well it might just be for regular dining not anytime. I think you are spared. Lol


    I only do anytime dining and they definitely do it then. It could depend on when you sit down to eat but I've seen it at every dinner (except one). I believe they do it a few times throughout the night.

  15. 10 minutes ago, Bgwest said:

    Yikes! With any kind of luck they will be elsewhere while we are in the MDR.


    It's pretty quick and you don't have to participate if you're disinclined. It's not that big of a deal. It's just something to help pump up the energy. I got some great video of my mom boogieing down with Sebastian and other dining staff on Panorama..lol. It's not a long drawn out affair. Much much quicker than the Disneyland character meals as those are meant for the little ones and they love it.   

  16. 20 minutes ago, Bgwest said:

    Would someone be kind enough to describe this "show"?


    Think Disneyland and eating at the character meeting restaurants. Napkin parade pretty much.  

  17. 8 minutes ago, jfunk138 said:

    What is the average duration of a stay in "close residential"?  I would imagine it's considerably longer than the average cruise duration and thus more supportive of the long incubation time of Covid.


    Fair point but for comparative sake it fits relatively well. Older population, many with heath challenges, close quarter living and sharing the same space for extended times. I'll concur that sticking to 7 day cruises will wash some of the data out; nonetheless, it's still comparative.  

  18. 3 minutes ago, chengkp75 said:


    As the CDC does, I equate cruises to assisted living, being "close residential" environment, where the ability to leave the closed environment is much less than even an AI.


    You're absolutely correct. That would be an acceptable equivalence for comparative sake. They represent the same set of challenges.  

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