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  1. The next chapter in this story is found in the following article from "Seatrade Cruise News" on September 1. https://www.seatrade-cruise.com/ports-destinations/venice-back-landing-cruise-ships
  2. The next chapter in this story is found in the following article from "Seatrade Cruise News" on September 1. https://www.seatrade-cruise.com/ports-destinations/venice-back-landing-cruise-ships
  3. Yeah, we were doing the math, too, Hank, and the busing idea just does not work. We have a Regent "Splendor" cruise boarding from Venice this fall preceded by five days on our own in Venice. The next stop is Split after leaving Venice, so who knows where our cruise will actually start from now. And if Venice was just a one day stop on a cruise itinerary, it might just not be worth the trouble to the passengers and the cruise line to try to get in and out of the city. Certainly a mess that recent precipitous action and some advanced planning years ago might have averted.
  4. Perhaps Monfalcone and/or Trieste are ready to fill in the gap per the following article. https://adriaports.anawim.it/en/cruises/monfalcone-a-cruise-ship-docked-for-the-first-time-two-other-white-ships-are-moored-in-trieste/
  5. Take a look at this article. Malfalcone and Trieste appear to be ready for cruise ships. https://adriaports.anawim.it/en/cruises/monfalcone-a-cruise-ship-docked-for-the-first-time-two-other-white-ships-are-moored-in-trieste/
  6. Hlitner and MPB&02/0 have made excellent points that about sums it all up as things stand at present. Ravenna's small cruise port can handle medium to small size ships, Trieste can dock larger ships. The time and money needed to make Marghera ready to receive cruise ships is more than likely to span several cruise seasons. So, it is going to be interesting to see what the lines and the Italians are going to come up with as an interim solution.
  7. I wonder if Ravenna is a the only choice while Marghera gets its act together, which will not happen overnight.
  8. Just checked our October 2021 Regent booking and there is no movement on the June final payment yet, but will now be watching it closely.
  9. Per the plan that NCLH submitted to the CDC: "On or about July 4, 2021, NCLH vessels will begin cruise operations at an initial reduced capacity of 60%, gradually ramping up our fleet departing from U.S. ports and increasing capacity by 20% every 30 days."
  10. Simply, Congress can revoke an agency action by passing legislation (a bill) which must be approved by both the House and the Senate. The President has the power either to sign legislation into law or to veto bills enacted by Congress, although Congress may override a veto with a two-thirds vote of both houses. Once signed into law, the Executive Branch (Cabinet departments and agencies such as the CIA and Environmental Protection Agency, the heads of which are not part of the Cabinet, but who are under the full authority of the President) enforces the laws passed by the Congress. Usually, passing legislation is a long process but Congress can move quickly if it wants to.
  11. Now there is a bill in the House of Representatives that would permit sailing to/from U.S. ports. There is also one in the senate that was introduced last week, if I remember rightly. The House bill was, of course, spearheaded by representatives from Alaska and Florida. https://www.seatrade-cruise.com/legal-regulatory/house-lawmakers-introduce-bill-revoke-cdc-cruise-order
  12. If NCLH had announced sailings in Europe or the Caribbean on/before, or subsequent to, its April 5 or 6 request to CDC, how seriously do you think the CDC would have regarded that request? By forbearing to deploy Regent and Oceania, which are both heavily sailed by Americans, Frank has some cards to play. I think that Oceania and Regent customers are more likely to squawk to their congressmen and senators. Perhaps Regent and Oceania cannot sail before in any event before July considering crewing and provisioning, perhaps NCLH cannot/does not want to provision or crew anywhere other than US ports. Could be a host of reasons that we are not aware of. But starting NCL in July may be a good thing from a cash flow standpoint, a bit more immediate revenue than the smaller Regent and Oceania ships. The point is, starting NCL before Regent and Oceania, IMHO, does not weaken Frank's hand with the CDC and congress. Frank's initial request was to resume operations from the U.S., very specific, and not at all tied to operations that could start elsewhere.
  13. I think that they are awaiting word from NCLH (Frank Del Rio) on what to do after Frank and the CDC finish duking it out. I don't think that Frank wants anyone to make a move that would go against his formal request for the CDC to issue further guidance, including new start dates. Otherwise, it would look like he had no real intention to work with the CDC.
  14. An it looks like members of Congress are also divided on the question of resuming sailing. Neither Matsui or Blumenthal seem to have any cruise industry related industries or suppliers at stake during the pandemic. Maybe the White House will be the final authority? https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/24792-u-s-politicians-urge-cdc-to-keep-cruise-industry-closed.html
  15. IMHO, I doubt that this will change much of anything, but one never knows in the world of politics. https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/24765-senators-introduce-bill-allowing-to-restart-cruising-by-july-4.html
  16. I guess that we will have to wait to see what this really means, but perhaps it is some sign of movement? https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/24721-cdc-open-to-u-s-cruising-this-summer.html
  17. That was my point, but maybe not that clear. Other government entities under pressure themselves might pressure the CDC. No agency or organization lives in a total vacuum.
  18. Squeeze play. Look, I am trying to be reasonable. Here's my plans. Look them over, tell me what is specifically wrong with them, and maybe we can work it out in time for July 4 (my strawman deadline). And, oh by the way, look at that, will you, everyone else starting up elsewhere. Seems that they were able to get the approval of other governments. Gee, their port workers, suppliers, crews, excursion folks must be happy. Bet ours would be, too, if you would only look at my plans. Hear that - your phone is ringing - maybe it is OUR port workers, suppliers, etc., who are also calling the WH and Congress. OK, your move.
  19. It seems as if the entire industry has decided to start again without touching American shores as Viking and Crystal are also beginning to sail from places such as Greece, Iceland, and Bermuda. IMHO, there is no alternative other than to sit still and go broke.
  20. Absolutely right, Daniel. Time for the CDC to stop batting the industry around like a cat with a toy. Leadership is needed and Frank is the public antagonist for the industry.
  21. A lot of energy, Frank and Cramer together at one time. I think that the message got across. We have tried to do all that we can, what more do you want from us, tell us and we will do it! Stop just staring at us! And that is what they both wanted to get across to investors and the real purpose of this "interview", pep rally, whatever. Mission accomplished. Must go and attend to my ringing ears.
  22. Cruise Industry News reports that NCLH has sent a letter to the CDC outlining its plans for dealing with COVID and asking for a July 4 start date. I think that Frank is calling the CDC's bluff and will use the CDC's response as as ammunition if he feels the need to escalate this further. https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/24706-norwegian-cruise-line-holdings-submits-plan-to-cdc-asks-for-july-4-restart.html
  23. I agree with lincslady as one of main reasons that we have always enjoyed interacting with the staff, and we have been with Seabourn since 2006. Our first Regent cruise is this October as we really want to experience Splendor. We considered some of the Seabourn staff to be our friends and were always delighted to see them from one cruise to another. There has always been a quiet, professional, "I take pride in my work" attitude. We also have had wonderful experiences with staff on Oceania "Marina" over several cruises. But one never knows what influences staff attitudes, so much goes on behind the scene that we passengers are not aware of and sometimes a great staff is just the result of serendipity, but Seabourn has been very consistent over the years.
  24. I cannot speak from experience about an Antarctica cruise on either line, but there is no doubt that Seabourn has been hyperactive in Antarctica for years. I would suggest that you go to YouTube and look at videos about each line's Antarctica expeditions to help you make up your mind.
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