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Russ Lomas

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  1. I feel for you and anyone else who got mixed doses at the urging of their government and healthcare professionals. I too hope that policy will be reversed soon. One step at a time up that mountain. Let's clear this first hurdle and then hope that while they are discussing this issue of 42 days, they are all gathered and put their heads together to also discuss other issues, like the mixed dose issue, so they can get all their employees on the same page when we ask these sort of questions.
  2. I want to be able to order my pizza from Sorrento's, not Domino's or Pizza Pizza. It tastes so much better when you are actually ON the ship. Please let me and my 2 doses of Pfizer 50 days apart board to get my fill of Sorrento's.
  3. If it had come from a lower source, I would fully agree with you but as you noticed at the end, this response was right from Mr. Bayley. I appreciate his bad Dad jokes he shares, but I appreciated this response so much more.
  4. @DeanD Not to argue, but also directly from the CDC, Interval between mRNA doses The second dose of Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines should be administered as close to the recommended interval as possible, but not earlier than recommended (i.e., 3 weeks [Pfizer-BioNTech] or 1 month [Moderna]). However, individuals who receive the second dose up to 4 days before or at any time after the recommended date can be considered fully vaccinated.
  5. In the words of Regis Philbin from who wants to be a millionaire, “Michael Bayley, CEO of RCCL, is that your final answer?
  6. To add a further update do you why does just posted above which I hope is the final answer. This was sent to someone I was chatting with on Facebook and not directly to me but it would seem to be good news for all of us if this is in fact true.
  7. I also pointed out to RCCL in a couple of emails I sent to Michael Bayley's office that even the CDC considers us fully vaccinated, so why RCCL does not, is beyond me. Below is a cut and paste directly from the CDC website (I added the highlights). Interval between mRNA doses The second dose of Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines should be administered as close to the recommended interval as possible, but not earlier than recommended (i.e., 3 weeks [Pfizer-BioNTech] or 1 month [Moderna]). However, individuals who receive the second dose up to 4 days before or at any time after the recommended date can be considered fully vaccinated
  8. Ok RCCL what is so hard to understand about the wording on the CDC page? This is really obvious for anyone with a brain. CDC's exact wording "can be considered fully vaccinate" Interval between mRNA doses The second dose of Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines should be administered as close to the recommended interval as possible, but not earlier than recommended (i.e., 3 weeks [Pfizer-BioNTech] or 1 month [Moderna]). However, individuals who receive the second dose up to 4 days before or at any time after the recommended date can be considered fully vaccinated. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/clinical-considerations/covid-19-vaccines-us.html
  9. Thanks for sharing that with me. I love it when people on CruiseCritic are helpful and courteous like you and do not just argue and insult each other. You are right. The credit can now be claimed up til August 31st. It used to be July 31st and I took a screen shot to prove it if they question me if I applied for it.
  10. Our Air Canada tickets out of Toronto can get that credit as well, but you have to apply for that credit prior to July 31, so as of Sunday, they become non-refundable tickets. Our tickets back home are with Delta and were significantly cheaper, thus non-refundable. I agree the 42-day thing is strongly encouraged, but not required. They say they https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7011e2.htm Two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines are required for optimal vaccine effectiveness (1). During the first 2 months of the U.S. COVID-19 vaccination program, among persons who received a first dose and had sufficient time to receive the second dose, 88.0% had completed the series and 3.4% had missed the second dose. Among all persons who received a second dose, the majority (95.6%) had done so within the recommended interval. These data are reassuring; however, the groups prioritized to receive vaccine during this period were more likely to have been vaccinated at their work site or residence, including health care workers (2) and long-term care facility residents*** (3), which might have facilitated adherence to the recommended schedule. As priority groups broaden, adherence to the recommended dosing interval might decrease. Although the second dose should be administered as close to the recommended interval as possible, it may be administered up to 42 days after the first dose when a delay is unavoidable.††† If the second dose is administered beyond the allowable interval, the series does not need to be restarted.
  11. Like I mentioned, I have not talked to them personally (yet) because they have not got back to me other than the email I received from Michael Bayley's office on Monday saying they are investigating. But I do know someone who is in the exact same situation as us and they got back to him today and told him he is being considered unvaccinated. That person's cruise leaves this Saturday and he is being told this today.
  12. Thank you so much for your kind words. It angers me that they are doing things like this that are fully within their realm to decide upon. They are the only cruise line doing this. Not even their sister-brand Celebrity is making any mention of this. I know others will argue that it is their ship and they can do as they like, but to spring something like this on us days before the cruise is.... My two oldest daughters have already been granted 2 weeks off work that they would have been working to help pay for their university. We have thousands invested in non-refundable air travel. Our youngest kids did not want the shots but agreed to get them so they could go on this summer cruise. UGGGHHH
  13. Although others may get on at you for asking a question that is posted in other threads, I will assume you have not read them and I am happy to provide you with your answer. According to RCCL, they consider you UNVACCINATED. You cannot mix Astra Zenaca with another vaccine. We have 2 Pfizer doses and they are now telling us we are also considered UNVACCINATED because the number of dates between our 2 shots was greater than 42.
  14. Unfortunately, we have sunk thousands of dollars into non-refundable flights about 10 days ago since it appeared that everything was going ahead for us. We can get an airline credit for one of our flights if we cancel it in the next 3 days, but then if we do that and we are told we can go on the ship, we would have to repurchase flights and they now cost double what I got them for 10 days ago. I emailed the CDC directly today to ask them if they consider me as double vaccinated since my two doses of Pfizer were administered just beyond 42 days apart. If they get back to me and I can show that directly to RCCL that the CDC acknowledges me as being fully vaccinated, I do not understand how RCCL can say I am not according to what the CDC says.
  15. I have seen that same reply that it applied to mixed vaccines only as well. In fact I have 3 different screenshots from 3 different people working from RCCL saying just that. But from personal experience, I can tell you that is absolutely NOT what RCCL is saying. They are currently saying that is applies to everyone, no matter where you are from and what vaccines you had, both the same or mixed. If you are over 42 days, they consider you unvaccinated.
  16. I posted this in the main RCCL group but wanted to post it here as well to update my fellow Canadians who may miss it in the other group. To update everyone on how this stands currently. I am awaiting word back personally from RCCL regarding the topic in this thread that I started. My email to them was acknowledged on Monday that it had been received and is being investigated, but they have not called me back yet or emailed me again. That said, I can confirm another Canadian traveler who I know has been told that he is considered unvaccinated for his cruise this week and he had 2 doses of Pfizer and he missed the 42-day cutoff date by a few days. This is just not right. We are hearing all this data saying that delaying the 2nd shot gives you more protection, but we moved our kids' 2nd doses up so that we could go on this cruise. The kids got their 2nd shots at 45 days and they are considered unvaccinated. The frustration, anger, and tears that will come out of this and the way it is being handled is agonizing. I can't imagine how the kids are going to take it either when they find out if RCCL does not change this policy.
  17. I saw that and it gave me some hope. Unfortunately those hopes were crushed today by RCCL. I will post below where things are at.
  18. We have the same-does vaccines and expected to be sailing in August with RCCL. We are being told we are considered unvaccinated because our 2nd dose was administered 45 days after the 1st one.
  19. We are in the exact same situation as you, other than using the different email. This is really turning out to be very poor customer service on their part. What does it say when you can pay extra for testing and be limited to where you can go if you never received a single dose of the vaccine, but those who did get 2 doses (either mixed or just one type) are considered fully unvaccinated if they did not get them within 42 days. Once again, money talks.
  20. To update everyone on how this stands currently. I am awaiting word back personally from RCCL regarding the topic in this thread that I started. My email to them was acknowledged on Monday that it had been received and is being investigated, but they have not called me back yet or emailed me again. That said, I can confirm another Canadian traveler who I know has been told that he is considered unvaccinated for his cruise this week and he had 2 doses of Pfizer and he missed the 42-day cutoff date by a few days. This is just not right. We are hearing all this data saying that delaying the 2nd shot gives you more protection, but we moved our kids' 2nd doses up so that we could go on this cruise. The kids got their 2nd shots at 45 days and they are considered unvaccinated. The frustration, anger, and tears that will come out of this and the way it is being handled is agonizing. I can't imagine how the kids are going to take it either when they find out if RCCL does not change this policy.
  21. I know someone from Toronto who is scheduled to fly to Florida this week and is on pins and needles needing to know if he will be denied boarding due to getting his vaccine doses 47 days apart. He could still go anyways but will have a ton of restrictions placed on him in addition to having to pay about another $500 for testing (one prior to going to the ship, 3 on the ship, and one to be used to fly back to Canada). This is per person, so for my family of 6 it would be an extra $3000 because we followed our health professionals guidelines and had the 2nd shot a week or two later (even thought the CDC considers us fully vaccinated on their website and do not require another dose). This person got a call at 5 pm tonight asking him what vaccines he had and if he received his 2nd dose at least 2 weeks ago, which he did. He then asked them (they did not ask him) about the 42 day thing even though he had 2 Pfizer shots and nobody on the phone brought up the issue of the dates of the shots. Three hours later, and going onto the 3rd supervisor, he still did not get a definitive answer. The second supervisor told him he would count as unvaccinated. He asked to escalate the issue. I know that the people on the phones are not the ones who will know the proper answer (they all seem to say different things). What we need is RCCL to step up and provide a definitive answer quickly and to tell ALL their employees so that they all answer the same way. I have not heard of this 42 day issue being brought up at all with any other cruise lines, Celebrity Cruises included...
  22. Thanks for sharing this. Gives us some hope. Now if we could only get this from someone more "official" than Sam. I would hate to arrive at the pier and be denied boarding due to this policy and I show them Sam's tweet. I sure hope Sam is right and some of those other supervisors working for RCCL that said the opposite are wrong. I got an email from Michael Bayley's office today confirming they had received my email ...and now we wait.... Thank you for contacting the Executive Office of Royal Caribbean International. Your e-mail has successfully been received and will be reviewed by an Executive Escalations Representative shortly.Please allow us time to thoroughly review the contents of your correspondence and we will follow up with you upon completion.Once again, thank you for taking the time to contact us. We look forward to communicating with you in the near future. Thanks for posting. Gives us a glimmer of hope.
  23. Agreed, but for those of us who have a cruise booked in the next week or two, it is not that easy to pivot and change plans. Plane tickets are booked, time booked off work, prices of flights seem to be going up very quickly as well the past couple of weeks. I was wondering the same thing as you. Neither of the articles you shared said anything about receiving a 2nd dose in less than 42 days. Since the study was performed in the UK, that means that probably everyone in the study received their 2nd dose after 42 days in fact.
  24. I am hoping you are right. What my issue is that more than one person has called RCCL and spoken to a supervisor and the information they gave over the phone conflicts with what you posted above directly from the CDC website (although others called and got a different answer). All I am asking is that RCCL clearly define what they mean and pass this information on to their employees (especially supervisors) so that situations like this do not keep arising. While it may not affect all of you, it greatly impacts many of us, and those of us who have plans to cruise in the next couple of weeks may have a wrench thrown into our planning that was not there a couple of days ago.
  25. We feel the same as you. We did everything asked of us to ensure we were classified as "vaccinated" for our cruise in August, and then this appeared out of nowhere. Hopefully since there are 2 ways to interpret what is printed on their website, they will clarify if the dates apply to all or just those mixing vaccines. Even their supervisors seem to read it differently. Thanks for emailing Mr. Bayley's office. I am just hoping that if enough people do this, then it will be looked at sooner rather than later and clarification can be provided to all of us.
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