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  1. 14 hours ago, BirdTravels said:

    NCL requires you to test prior to leaving home and at the port at check-in. So, with a negative test at home, there would be a very, very, tiny chance of testing positive a day or two later at the pier. (Full disclosure, it has happened at least once). 

     

    To answer you question, the ships are nearly identical. The Getaway is one year younger, but that really doesn't matter. Personally, the itinerary out of NOLA is far superior and I would go there. We have sailed on both ships 4-5 times each. And we have sailed 3 times since restart. 

    I agree that NOLA is a superior itinerary, but for us, it's more about the cruise than the ports at this point.  We just want to get away.   And there's not ZERO chance as you point out that we won't have a positive test, even a false positive.  Throw in the hassle of flying these days, having to wear a mask on our flights (not that I'm against wearing masks, I'm not, but it's certainly not as pleasant as it could be) and we are having these second thoughts.

  2. 3 minutes ago, dobiemom said:

    Only if you are driving yourself. If you test positive, you are not allowed on commercial flights, trains, buses, and are not allowed to rent a car. Until you are COVID negative. 

    We are a 45 minute drive from the pier to home.  Normally we would take a bus to Port Authority in NYC and a taxi to the pier, but if we did this, we'd drive in and park.

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  3. This has been concerning me so much lately and the thought of having to be quarantined in a room for even a few days is making me consider changing my cruise to one that leaves out of NY which is close to home.   We are vaccinated and I know the odds are slim we'll test positive bu why risk flying to a location and then be denied going on the cruise.  I think NCL is doing the right thing, but I'm just trying to minimize my own risk.

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  4. We are currently booked on a cruise in January on the Breakaway out of New Orleans.  We have a lot of concerns about flying down to NOLA and then testing positive (we have all been vaccinated, but you never know) and not being able to cruise, and then being stuck in a hotel room for a week.  So we are considering changing out cruise to the Getaway out of NYC (which is close enough to home that I would imagine they'd let us go home to quarantine if we test positive, as we live in NJ).  I know they are sister ships but what are the differences?  I know the Getaway is a bit newer.   We already have another cruise booked in August on the Breakaway, so we'll still wind up on her then.

  5. 33 minutes ago, Heymarco said:

    My point was NCL has the strictest vaccines policies, there’s not doubt they will enforce a booster shot. Come back in 6 months and tell me I was wrong.

     

    Sorry that “banned” was such a trigger word for some people. Call it what you want, doesn’t change the facts. Difference for children and families is they don’t have a choice when it comes to vaccine or NCL.

     

    Again, you keep coming back and making it seem that it's a vendetta by NCL against children and families specifically.  That's not their intent.   That's just how you are spinning it.   Families DO have a choice.  They can sail on any cruise line that accepts unvaccinated people.  Or just wait until vaccines are approved for children which I assume is coming within the next couple of months.  And if they enforce needing a booster, I'm fine with that too.  I'd rather cruise without the threat of getting Covid and without having to wear a mask, than not.  NCLs policy suits me.   Would I look at it differently if I had young kids?  Perhaps.  But I'd also not want to put my kids in danger either would probably skip cruising altogether until the pandemic is under control.

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  6. 2 minutes ago, aubreyc1988 said:

    I feel like banned is the wrong word for all of this. "Prohibited" is better. Banned makes me thinks of like 90s libraries banning books like Harry Potter or something 

     

    I was just using his preferred terminology.  I agree.  But I think he's trying to make that point that they aren't allowed.  It's not that they are children but that they are unvaccinated.  Children happened to get caught in that policy.

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  7. 4 hours ago, Heymarco said:

     


    Children under 12 are banned from NCL by definition, regardless of justification. Even then, justification is weak as other cruise lines and the rest of the world have chosen better ways to accommodate children, but that’s another discussion.

     

     

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    No, they banned unvaccinated people.   Children are a subset of those.    They didn't single out children specifically.  As a private business, that's their right.   There have been outbreaks on other cruise lines that allow unvaccinated passengers.  Not one on NCL that I know of.  Again, that's your choice.  You don't like NCL's policy of banning the unvaccinated, as  you said there are other choices.  Feel free to sail with them.  It''s like saying that trucks are banned from going on a certain road, and then saying they banned RED trucks.  Sure, they are included, but it's not just RED trucks, it's all trucks.  In this case, it's not just children, but it's all unvaccinated people, of which children belong.

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  8. 1 hour ago, Heymarco said:

     

    I chose to be concise. We can say NCL chose to make it impossible for children to cruise at this time if it will make everyone feel better. Doesn’t change end result.

     

    I think you are spinning it because you feel that it's not right for them to do this.  Words can be used in different ways.  Their policy is consistent.  It's for the safety of the passengers and the crew, it's so that we don't wind up with what happened at the beginning of the pandemic with ships stuck at sea and no port would take them.  It's so they don't wind up with a couple of thousand passengers confined to their cabins when dozens of passengers get COVID.  I am sure that once the FDA approves vaccines for young children, that NCL would welcome them with open arms.  And, lastly, there are other choices to cruise where a certain number of cruisers can be unvaccinated, and that includes children.  You certainly have that option if you want to cruise with your kids.

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  9. 1 hour ago, BermudaBound2014 said:


     

    I agree that the smartest path to resume cruising “at this time” is to have 💯 vaccination. I’ve been preaching  that for months. We can’t afford to get the start up wrong. 

     

    However; I disagree that those who are unvaccinated )but love cruising) must “decide how important cruising is”.  I think those who remain unvaccinated just need to be a bit patient. This too shall pass. It’s business. 
     

    The estimate is that approximately only 60-75% of US citizens will vaccinate. That means somewhere between 25-40% won’t vaccinate. No business in their right mind will alienate 25-40% of its customers if they plan to survive. It may take a little bit of time but as we learn more, handle the virus better, and reach closer to natural herd immunity, the unvaccinated will be welcomed onboard with open arms.

     

    Time will tell of course, but I’ll make a note to revisit this thread in Q4.

     

    My opinion of course.

    Don't disagree.  What I meant is that they should decide how important cruising is to them now, and how important it is to them to risk shutting down the industry if there's an outbreak because of them.   For better or worse, if a cruise goes out and some significant segment of cruisers get sick and the cruise industry gets bad press forcing it to shut down, then we are all SOL for probably another period of time.  I agree, they need to be patient, but there's enough people who are complaining that they want to go NOW.  And in some states they have the government on their side.  

     

    So let me ask, is it better to alienate for now 35% of your passengers and have a safe cruise than to let everyone vaccinated or not cruise and risk shutting down the industry for another 6 months or more?  If I'm a cruise line, I think the former is a much better option.

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  10. On 6/8/2021 at 5:57 PM, BermudaBound2014 said:

    An excellent point. I fall under this category- I want to see cruising resume with the path most likely to be successful. 

    And this is why the smartest path is to have 100% vaccine policy.  The risk of a cruise interrupted if everyone is vaccinated is almost nil.  Start including non-vaccinated folks and chances are good that someone will catch it and cause a panic.  For those folks who don't want to be vaccinated, at some point you will have to decide how important cruising is for you.  There are other vacations out there that won't require a vaccination that don't require being "out at sea" where there's no escape from the virus if it infects anyone.  It's probably not a good idea to be on a cruise with a live virus anyway.

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  11. On 6/4/2021 at 11:24 AM, BermudaBound2014 said:

     

    Thank you. As I suspected, the data is skewed and can not be generalized to a broader population. The survey was administered by Cruise Critic and consisted of a very small sample size (only 5,025 members). Of which, 69% had taken 10 or more cruises!!! These are likely true cruise enthusiasts who have FCC to use and realize that the safest way to restart, remain mask-less, and have little chance of a ship quarantine is to require 100% vaccinations.

     

    I thought the third paragraph begs the question; Do cruise enthusiasts really want 100% vaccinated cruising or do they want mask-less cruising and believe the only way to take off the mask is to board 100% vaccinated? The part about DeSantis further muddies the survey waters.

     

    This survey fun reading, but it is impossible to draw conclusions about Johnny Public's views of 100% vaccinated cruising. I'm not saying you (sthrngary) were making that gigantic leap, but I do think its important to note the survey demographics to limit broad generalizations.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    I would actually think that Cruise Critic readers, who REALLY want to go on a cruise are MORE likely to want to take the risk sans vaccine and go.  I think the general public is more spooked about cruises at this point than those of us here.   We are less likely to react to the scenes we saw of cruises stuck at sea with sick passengers than they are, simply because we understand what that was about.

     

    So I disagree with your hypothesis that the survey was flawed because this group is more likely to want a vaccine.  Have you READ some of the posts of P.O.ed people who don't even want to wear masks, let alone vaccines?

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  12. I agree 100% with the OP.  Watching that series makes me feel a lot better about where NCL is heading.   I am hopeful about my cruise in January going off without an issue.

     

    I said before, but NCLs vaccine policy is the correct one, strictly from a business standpoint if nothing else.  Imagine a cruise with half the people not vaccinated, and there's an outbreak on the ship.  even if just 40 or 50 people get it, that's going to be terrible publicity for the cruise line and the industry.  It COULD create more cancellations and panic among cruisers, and could doom the industry or at worst set it back another year.   This way, they are reasonably sure that there won't be an outbreak, that if people act smart they will have a great time, and they can ramp things up.  

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  13. 6 minutes ago, Tippyton said:

    The rules are beyond ridiculous at this point.  Reminds me of that comedy TV show "Whose Pandemic Is It Anyway?  Where the rules are made up and facts don't matter!"

    More accurately is, the rules change as we know more.  The problem is, we are still learning.  That's what happens with science.

     

    I do think some of the CDC rules are overly restrictive, but I do think they are trying to be overly cautious.  Personally, as of today, with less than half the people in most states (and especially in the cruise centers of places like Florida and Texas), I'm not touching any cruise where the crew and passengers aren't vaccinated.

     

    I read a story about the polio vaccine the other day.  The same fears that people have now about that vaccine are what people have now (though I think these days, most of the fears that people have are either politically motivated or driven by folks who want to be anti-"whatever party is in power".  I'm not sure that was the case in the 1950s.

     

    There's a risk with everything.   Should you not have that heart transplant because there's a risk you might not wake up from the surgery?   You play the odds and hope for the best.  The odds are with the vaccine right now.

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  14. I'll be honest, I haven't read this whole thread, so if this point has been made, I apologize.  You have to look at things from NCL's viewpoint.  This is as much a business decision as anything.   Imagine if NCL loosens it's restrictions.  No masks, unvaccinated people on board, etc.   Imagine if, with that, there's an outbreak on board.  That essentially kills cruising for another year at least (and may be the fatal blow to the industry).   Remember everyone's reaction at the beginning of the pandemic to the Princess cruise that had hundreds of cases on board.  Does anyone here want to even get on board and risk getting stuck at sea where they won't dock the ship or wind up at some port and having to find your way back home?   This is the ONLY smart thing that NCL can do. If everyone is vaccinated, and people take the requested precautions, the risk of this happening is SO much less.

     

    I have two cruises scheduled, one in January (which I figure we will know so much more by then) and one in August 2022, where we should be opened up completely.  I'm not scared, or worried.  I've had my shots, as have my wife and kids.  

  15. Thanks everyone for the good info as we were curious how this works.   We are cruising out of NOLA in January and I can anticipate issues getting there due to weather and such.  We also would like to spend a day in NOLA as my son has never been there, so we were wondering if we could take a flight a day earlier and how we would go about working with NCL to do this.    Would this be a phone call with them to have it changed?   I normally hate flying in the same day as the cruise because you just never know with air travel.    Anyone who's done this scenario, how did  you work it out with NCL?

  16. 9 minutes ago, cruisin07family said:

      

    Nicely stated.  I don't get all the animosity toward those who will not get the vaccine.  If you get the vaccine, YOU are protected and I am not.  Why care about what happens to me?  Clearly, with all the name-calling, many of you don't actually care.  On another board, someone actually said they would laugh at my funeral.  Wow.

    Because those who don't want to get vaccinated feel the need to come on here and make it a point that they won't EVER cruise NCL again.  If you don't want to cruise NCL because you don't want to get vaccinated, that's entirely up to you.  Do you have to come here and announce it proudly?  No.  So, this is why they get blow back like this.  I don't forsake them, though I'm a little disappointed that the pandemic will last longer because of them (as the quicker we make it harder for the virus to find "homes" the quicker it will die off).  Personally I have already had my shots, my wife will get her's shortly and we don't have a cruise scheduled until late 2022.   But I would not go in a cruise where passengers are not fully vaccinated, at least for now.  My fear would be getting stuck at sea with a boatload of sick people that won't be allowed to dock and we are all stuck in our cabins. Seems like a miserable experience.

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  17. 1 hour ago, logan25 said:


    While straight numbers are important, context matters also.

     

    USA population:        330+ million

    Canada population:  37+ million

     

     

     

    To be fair,  Canada is about 10% of the US population but those rates are much worse than 10%.   So I would have to agree that Canada, for some reason is lagging behind.

     

    With that said, want to get things opened up?  Encourage your friends and neighbors, as soon as they are eligible and the supply is there, to get vaccinated.  I see too many people whining about these restrictions, yet have stated they will refuse to get vaccinated.  Can't have it both ways.  Not unless you want to spike Covid cases again.  Of course if you are the type that don't believe this is even happening, I can't help you.

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  18. I'll feel much better about things when they start opening vaccines to the general public.  Right now, here in NJ, it's only opened to 65+, essential workers and those with medical conditions that warrant priority.    And it's been like this for more than a month.  Once it's opened up and vaccines are readily available, I think in a month or two after that, things can open up quite a bit. 

     

    Was talking to my dad who also cruises and he says he's booked on a cruise for later this year, but if he has to wear a mask on the cruise, he's not going.   Since my booked cruise is not until later next year, my hope is that it won't be necessary by then.   But if I'm going on a cruise, I want the experience to be as close as it was pre-pandemic.  


    As for all of these medical stories that are coming out, if you put 10 "experts" in a room, you'll get 10 different theories.  There are some theories that are pretty consistent.  We still need masks, social distancing and all that, but we need consensus on when things can get back to normal.

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  19. I've never sailed Celebrity but it's reputation is more upscale.  I've sailed NCL, Carnival and RCCL and I like things and dislike things about each.  I find NCL to be kind of in between those three.  Carnival is more of a party and RCCL is more laid back and appeals to an older crowd, NCL is kind of in between. So I like it.   To me a cruise is what you make of it, and at least in my experience, there's no such thing as a bad cruise.

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  20. There's always someone who's annoyed by multiple threads on similar topics, well unless it's the one they post themselves, then it's OK.   There a literally hundreds of threads in the last month.  I don't frequent this forum daily when I don't have a cruise booked, so now that I'm booked, I'm back 🙂

     

    And those odds do change daily with what's going on 🙂

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  21. We just booked (well rebooked using our money from the last cruise that got cancelled which was a rebook of a cruise from last March) to Canada for end of August 2022 on the Breakaway.   What does everyone think the odds are that this cruise finally sails.  And if it sails, what precautions will be needed for passengers (masks, vaccinations, etc.)    To be honest, I booked for late 2022 hoping that by then we could not only TAKE a cruise but that it will be at least kind of close to cruising as before (no masks, etc.)  The silver lining is that when cruises finally DO resume, I think the chances of getting something like a neurovirus will be very slim because of all the precautions these lines have taken for this virus.

     

    So what do you all think?  Will we be cruising like it's 2019?

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