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  1. 12 hours ago, skridge said:

    It is amazing how the narrative continues to change with some people , but never do they blame the maskless freedom warriors.  You all are now blaming the people who have worn masks the entire time and done things that if everyone in this country would have done back in March we would be in a lot better shape right now.  That is a very delusional way of looking at things.


    Blaming?  LOL....no....I am pointing out nothing happens in a vacuum.  For every person who wants to disconnect from society takes another person to make that possible.  The world didn't shut down, 'essential' workers just made it possible and they usually had no choice in the matter.

  2. 15 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:


    Right now we have health care front line workers dying trying to take care of all, including those who are too selfish to take a few precautions to protect others. Very sad.



    We also have people dying who go to work every day to enable those who choose to seclude themselves; from fire fighters, to sanitation workers, Instacart drivers to grocery store stockers.  Those who sit at home and point fingers can only do so because someone is willing to shoulder their risk, go out into the world daily, and keep whatever services and necessities flowing to the critics.  A large portion of the population is in this daily, it is nothing but chance.

  3. 2 hours ago, Susan in Maine said:



    But what about the crew? Do we care so little for them that it's OK for them to risk their lives so we can go on a cruise?


    Huh?  We have a large percentage of the population right here in the US in public facing jobs who have went to work every day since this started.  The difference in my daily role between last December and any point since this hit is miniscule.  I have went to work just like normal since this started.  No shutdown, no work from home, no self isolating.....just an essential job in public safety that carried on just like the day before.


    Right now we have people shouldering the risk for others, down to the high school teen working the checkout at the local grocery store.  People don't get to live in a bubble without support.  Someone provides police services, someone keeps the electricity on, the water flowing, the grocery shelves stocked, the truckers moving the products.  Now we have jobs such as personal shopping and home delivery booming.  If you are able to shut your life down and stay away from everyone it is because someone else is shouldering your risk.

  4. 30 minutes ago, K32682 said:


    The cruise industry put a target on itself and continues to do so.  


    Nah....the cruise industry presents a unique environment allowing you to see the big picture because you have a captive audience for a week.  The people still allowed to jet around the world, crowd in to their local grocery store or visit some amusement parks are no safer.  They are catching and spreading the virus at the same rate, they just disperse their impact into the community where it becomes some random unconnected number.


    The cruise industry was low hanging fruit, it allowed the CDC to look as if they were doing "something".

  5. Many of the loudest opinions on this site always seem to be clueless when it comes to how supply and demand drives pricing.  They always claim the lines will just double the fare in the future and carry on.  If they could've doubled the price then they would've done so last year because as a public entity their goal is to maximize profit.  There is a price point they try to balance, one that the consumer is willing to pay en masse for the experience yet still gives them a steady profit.

  6. Prices are going to be in limbo until things kick off again.  Supply and demand drives the price, the cruise lines don't just get to set a price and make people pay it.  Until those cruises actually have a firm start date and the sailings start so you can see the level of true demand it is all speculation.

  7. 16 hours ago, jimbo5544 said:

    You were going fine till you went to vaccines.  The reason they have relatively low effectiveness is they are guessing at what the flu strain will be, not that they cannot make an effective one.  I would think this vaccine would have over 90%.  


    Yup.  I don't know how so many confuse this.  Influenza is a family of multiple viruses, just like Coronavirus is.  SARS-COV-2 is a particular strain of Coronavirus just like H3N2 is a particular strain of Influenza.

  8. "In total, the 18 ships represent approximately 12 percent of pre-pause capacity and only three percent of operating income in 2019," Carnival said, in an SEC filing.


    That says it all....12% capacity and 3% of income.  With a soft market when cruising returns that number could go even lower.  At some point you have to decide is it worth it financially.

  9. On 9/4/2020 at 12:46 PM, latserrof said:

    Or not.


    That study was  masks during surgery ("Keywords: Surgery"); might results be different from the general population during a pandemic?



    You are right....those results should be BETTER than you what you see in the general population.  Those are professionals in a sterile environment who are using good quality PPE with proper training on how to doff and don.  Their results should exceed what you will find in untrained populations using in most cases makeshift PPE.

  10. 20 minutes ago, ProgRockCruiser said:


    This got me thinking:


    If I get off the ship at a port and carouse and party and mingle for six hours, how likely is it I am going to actually test positive when I try to get back on board?  Not likely - it takes more than a few hours to develop enough of the virus in your body to be detectable by a test.  At least 48 hrs, IIRC, and may depend on whether you start to develop symptoms or not.


    So while any proposed tests upon re-boarding are useful at detecting "new" cases, the infected person was likely contagious before they left the ship.  Thus, testing when boarding is a useful trigger, not an actual filter that will stop the on-board spread in time.


    I am therefore not quite sure of the value other than "we're doing something, dangit!"


    Yup....worthless.  You don't get exposed and then 2 hours later pop positive on the test.

  11. On 3/31/2020 at 6:24 PM, Elbozi said:

    If this mutates into a deadlier strain like happened in the second wave of the Spanish Flu; then you may not be looking at cruising until far into 2021. That would send us into an economic depression.  Few would have the spare coin to waste.   


    ....or it could also mutate like the original SARS-COV-1 into something that no longer targets humans.

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