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  1. 3 hours ago, Ken the cruiser said:

    It goes without saying, we all hope Pfizer is able to reduce their cold storage stability requirements. But in the interim it's comforting to hear the US just bought another 100m doses of the Moderna vaccine. That's, of course, it gets approved which it sure sounds like it's on track to do so in the next week or so.


    U.S. government buys another 100M doses of Moderna vaccine (politico.com)


    So this means 125 million people can get vaccinated in the US (250 million shots when you include the 50M Pfizer and the initial 100M of Moderna.)  Just under 40% of the US population.  According to recent polls, only 47% will get it, though I suspect that may change if airlines, cruise lines, etc., all require vaccination in order to travel, which a real possibility.


    Regardless, when it's my and my wife's time, we'll get our shots!  Cannot wait.

  2. 11 hours ago, emmas gran said:

    Why are people on this thread getting so argumentative???????????????


    Its a vaccine people will either get it or not it's a personal choice


    Well, if cruise lines require it for you to be on board, then you'll need to decide if you really want to cruise or not.  Granted, that still an "IF", but I can see it being a requirement if they want to sail again.

  3. 15 hours ago, Fly and Sail said:


    If Covid really causes that much long term damage as the media proclaims then society would do much better protecting young people first, not seniors who are already near the end of their lifespan.


    Otherwise you'll have two generations with various underlying conditions such as lung damage in 5-10 years while the generation they're now seeking to protect has died of old age.


    Gee, aren't you a winner.  I bet you're a laugh riot at parties.  Are you the one to push women and children aside to be first on the lifeboats as well?

  4. 8 hours ago, 4774Papa said:

    I have yet to see any racism on cruises or even on these boards.    That word is thrown around way more than it should be.  Needless to say, were I to encounter racism among cruisers, I would condemn it and avoid any at its source.


    I, unfortunately, have.  I could not just avoid it at the moment that it reared its ugly head since it was during dinner.  I won't go into details, but one person used a very derogatory term in describing a person of Mexican descent.  Myself and others told him and his wife that they would not be welcome back to the table for the remainder of the cruise, and I knew I used a few words that might even shock a sailor.  (The table sat 8 people, by the way.)  But to make sure they wouldn't come back, the 6 of us went to the Maître D' after dinner and explained it.  He said he'd take care of it and he did.  I never saw that asshat the rest of the cruise thankfully.


    Anyway, I apologize for the thread drift, but racism or prejudice of any kind is something I never tolerate.

  5. On 12/3/2020 at 2:37 AM, iamaqt2 said:

    I'm hoping my July Alaska cruise on the Solstice survives, having already cancelled 3 cruises.  The hardest thing I'm struggling with though, is dealing with patently different idealogies going forward.  Even on roll calls of cancelled cruises, I've had people calling this the China virus, or the Wuhan Flu.  
    There's a very different set of values between me and the people who say those things.  And they will also be cruising and wanting to join the meet and greets.  
    How will people be able to move forward from their differences of opinions and just enjoy cruising and meeting other people after this?


    It's simple:  Ignore the idiots and control only what you can control.  It's a shame that life isn't like a message board where you can put someone on ignore and you'd never see or hear their opinion again!  :classic_laugh:


    Regardless of ideologies, as long as someone respects me, I'll respect them.  I'm pretty easy going for the most part, but I have my "triggers" and I'll walk away if anyone "hits" them.  I refuse to sink down to their level and argue.  To quote:  “Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.” ― Mark Twain.

  6. 9 hours ago, lyndarra said:

    I heard today on ABC that the initial supply by Pfizer is 100 million doses and that the offer of a follow up order was declined by the US government. This would mean that 50 million will vaccinated and everyone else will now have to wait for supply from elsewhere or if/when Pfizer receives another order which it can fill sometime in the future after other countries' orders. Did I understand it correctly?


    No Pfizer vaccine in the US until at least June, mostly July.


    Wonderful. /sarcasm

  7. 1 hour ago, Ken the cruiser said:

    Why do you say that with Pfizer, Moderna and Astra Zeneca all close to getting their vaccines approved?


    This Thursday Pfizer meets with the FDA to apply for an EUA and Moderna does the same on December 17th.  No idea about AstraZeneca.


    By the way, excellent article about the vaccines here:  https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/covid-vaccine-almost-here-here-s-what-you-should-know-n1250269

  8. 3 hours ago, lyndarra said:

    As one who enjoys travel, and wishing to continue so long as my health holds out, I will be in the queue for the vaccine when my turn comes. I was a polio survivor, my younger sister was not as lucky, having life long consequences due to no vaccine being available at the time. I can't imagine the side effects (and I accept there will be some) being worse than the disease.

    I'm sure many of my countrymen despair as to what is happening as many of us have friends and family over there and we feel somewhat helpless. We can only look on and hope for the best.


    I posted this article in the other vaccine thread, but I'll share it here as well:  https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/05/health/covid-vaccine-trial-participant/index.html

  9. 59 minutes ago, terrydtx said:

    That is your choice and most will not have any problem with that.  However,  do not complain when you will have to stay home and not be able to board a cruise ship or fly Internationally for the next few years because of your choice.


    I got into a heated discussion about that yesterday.  The other person feels that travel industry shouldn't be able to dictate that people can use their service if vaccinated or not.  My response was it's a private business, so they can make their rules and they need to also keep their employees safe.  That didn't go over well.


    Mind you, this person is definitely very pro-mask, etc., but takes umbrage at that.  Personally, whether we can travel or not, I'll get the vaccine.  But if all of the travel industry requires people be vaccinated, I'm behind them 100%.  I'd prefer not to see people stuck in a foreign port on a ship while the virus runs unchecked again...

  10. 3 hours ago, RiotAct said:


    That article definitely needs a much better proofreader...


    "Shan Soe-Lin, Ph.D., a lecturer in global affairs at Yale University in New Haven, Connecticut, and a trained epidemoioglost who predicted in April 2019 that mask-wearing would continue until at least the spring of 2020, said that she believes the trend will continue as a social norm even as vaccines begin to be distributed."


    I think they mean 2020 and 2021 respectively.  But, hey, I won't call them trash or anything like that.  Mistakes happen after all.



  11. 12 minutes ago, LGW59 said:

    We are in almost exact situation.  Aug 28th, depart from and return to Barcelona.  Will Spain, Malta, Turkey and Greece let us in??? Hopefully we can have received the vaccine by summer and the rest will play out as needed.


    My situation is a tad better with my cruise in October and final payment due the end of July.  I'll only pay if my wife and I are inoculated by then.  I hope you're fortunate and you're able to go.

  12. 21 minutes ago, emmas gran said:

    I read this BBC regarding USA and vaccines


    President-elect Joe Biden says Americans won't be forced to take a coronavirus vaccine when one becomes available in the US.


    It may be true may not, just quoting what I read




    While I personally feel that they should make it mandatory, I understand the politics in why Biden is saying what he's saying.


    One thing to remember here:  If you're 55 and older and you catch this virus, you have a 92% chance of dying from it.  So those of us who are over 55, why wouldn't you get the vaccine then?  Oh, and that's NOT a made up number.  That number comes directly from the CDC (LINK)

  13. While I'm sure this has been posted here before (honestly, I'm not going to search through 1,500+ comments! :classic_laugh:), here's the CDC's recommendation for vaccine allocation:  https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2020-11/COVID-04-Dooling.pdf


    It's going to be a bit of a clusterf*** the next 46-90 days in getting things organized, but I strongly suspect by February 1st everything will be firmly in place and people will be getting vaccinated.  And that by June/July the majority of the people who want to be vaccinated will be.  The key to getting back to semi-normal is that at least 70% get vaccinated, but I unfortunately think that only 50% will get inoculated. 


    IMO, they need to treat the Covid vaccine roll out like they treated the polio vaccine early on: make it mandatory. Period. At least for 2 years.  Anti-vaxxers can piss & moan as much as they want, the needs of the many, etc., etc., etc.

  14. On 12/2/2020 at 8:48 AM, TeeRick said:

    In the very unlikely event that some cruise lines let passengers board without a vaccine, the ports and country entry points and airlines and airports might in fact require vaccination proof.  We will be living in a very cautious world the next few years.  Let's not fight it- just get vaccinated for all of our sakes!


    Agreed.  Hell, there are certain countries that will deny you entrance unless you're vaccinated for various diseases already.  I don't recall too many people crying about their rights being all trampled on.


    They really need to adopt your saying:  Let's not fight it- just get vaccinated for all of our sakes!

  15. 7 hours ago, d9704011 said:

    See the section ‘Groups Considered for Early Vaccination if the Supply is Limited’.  The inclusions in some of the groups can be quite broad.



     My wife falls under 2 of those conditions whereas I'm only under one of them:


    • People at high risk for severe COVID-19 illness due to underlying medical conditions
    • People 65 years and older


    My wife is older than 65 and we both are diabetic.


    Be that as it may, our only concern right now is being able to get vaccinated by the end of June, which I believe will be very possible.  Not only to provide us with the potential protection, but, for purely selfish reasons, we have a cruise where the final payment is due on July 29th.  I'll pay it if we're vaccinated by then.  If not, I cancel and move forward with a "back up" cruise that we have booked.  I won't take the position of "well, we might be vaccinated by the cruise..."  The only way we cruise now is with a vaccine being available and we've definitely been inoculated.  What others do is up to them. But I hope people aren't idiots and ignore science.  (Yeah, I know.....)

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