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  1. On 1/27/2021 at 3:54 PM, grandgeezer said:

    What market wants it besides the cruising industry? That's just a small percentage of the overall picture. The tail won't wag the dog.


    Well, there are several cities in Alaska that would want it.  Many ports in the US.  Not just the cruising industry is affected by this.

  2. On 1/26/2021 at 11:39 PM, Arizona Wildcat said:

    Won't happen.  There is no need as cruising is not an essential activity.  Would ask hypothetically if you could run "cruises to nowhere" or between only US ports where would that be?

    On the West Coast all ports from San Diego to Seattle have huge COVID numbers.  Same on the East Coast unless you can cruise from Maine.

    What is essential is having US flagged ships to move fuel and other goods between ports.  Do we want to depend on other countries?  Not likely as There are almost 41000 Jones Act vessels with thousands of US employees.  Many of those jobs would be lost to non US workers.

     It may not be essential, but if that law affects the economy in a highly negative way (which it currently does) it should be changed.  Don't forget, because of the Jones Act, vital assistance to Puerto Rico was delayed until the US government issued a waiver of the law temporarily.  The same can be done for PSVA until they ultimately change it.

  3. On 1/26/2021 at 10:47 PM, JRG said:


    That argument fell apart like a new cheap suit.   Here is why:


    You don't need to repeal it.    As soon as you say that some posters blow their smokestack because they can't differentiate between modification and repeal.


    Think in terms of making the necessary adjustments to the law so that the cruises from North America are not adversely affected by this steamship period law.      


    The need to change is there and its just a matter of time before the market gets what it wants.





    Exactly.  The law can be changed and it would infinitely help the cruise lines.  Imagine a 2 week cruise leaving Seattle, going to Alaska then to Hawaii and then back to Seattle with no stops in Canada.  Zero need for a passport (though to fly you'd need it).  That would affect Canada negatively, but there could be many cruises leaving from the west coast going back and forth to Hawaii with no foreign ports needed.

  4. 3 hours ago, Ken the cruiser said:

    My curiosity is when are the pharmacies going to be allowed to play a more active roll, as shot giving is one of their day-to-day business practices? I've been hearing Wal-Mart, Walgreens, Publix (in 3 states) and CVS as well as a few other locally based pharmacies are ready. Is it up to the state to include them in the their distribution process or does each company negotiate with the feds/pharmaceutical companies to get on their distribution list? I've got the feeling it's a whole different process when it comes to getting the annual flu shots distributed to your local pharmacy?


    In the Chicago area you can add in the grocery stores of Mariano's and Jewel/Osco (Osco is the "drug store/pharmacy" part of the store).  To date, however, if you don't already have one there's no way anyone new is getting an appointment.  Everything is booked solid.

  5. 20 hours ago, Wine-O said:

    If it's the Pfizer vaccine, how are they going to keep it at -70 degrees?  I just got my first Pfizer injection last week.  The nurse giving it reached back behind her and picked one of the 5-6 syringes laying there to inject me.  🍷 

     The shingles vaccine is kept at -50° and it's never been a problem.  So what's the issue...?

  6. 18 hours ago, Ken the cruiser said:

    More Than 26 Million Shots Given: Covid-19 Vaccine Tracker (bloomberg.com)


    Don't get me wrong, I truly appreciate all that everyone has done up to this point. However, it's time to get the show on the road, especially when folks are saying there is plenty of vaccine in the supply chain out there. In my state's case, we have been allotted 283,000+ doses and have only given 57,000+ shots up to this point since Dec 14th.


    I just want to focus on the part I bolded.


    I understand the frustration, but there's only so many medical professionals available to give the shots.  I know there was a call for retired nurses, doctors, etc., to assist in Illinois in order to alleviate the demand.  IMO, they need to pull out some medical students, those who are capable and can safely give shots of course, in order to help.


    This is a state-level failure which compounds the federal-level failure.  Right now, my wife and I are looking at the end of March, it we're lucky, before we can think about getting our shots.  We're both in phase 1C.  Early on the guess, according to state officials, was February. At this rate, I'm thinking end of April.  Fingers crossed.


    Edit to add:


    I can't quote your comment concerning the vaccine rollout (comment above this one), but this is good news! That means my wife can get her shot.  Fingers are still crossed!

  7. On 1/2/2021 at 6:27 PM, Lastdance said:

    I have Galapagos booked for the end of June, with 11 nights on Flora.  Right now I give it a 50/50 chance.  However, I will cancel it before the 90 days and be a little upset, but understanding that I have no control over what is happening.  My vaccine should be this month because I am an essential worker, but I would not wager a bet on it.  Next cruises are in October, b2b/TA to FLL. Then, April 17, TP from Sydney etc and I feel pretty confident about that one, along with those that follow.  Furthermore,  I would also like them to extend final payment dates, but understand that is not a possibility at this point in time.





    I think, under the circumstances, all cruise lines should allow people to cancel 30 days out and get back 100%.  At least until things are back to semi-normal.

  8. Getting back to the question of the thread:  Will vaccines now be required?


    Here's what Dr. Fauci says about it:




    So take that for what it's worth. He also says it's, and I quote, "unlikely to be required from a federal-government perspective".  But if he thinks it's possible to be required for travelling, we better get prepared for it to happen. 

  9. IMO, a lot is determined by how the vaccinations are going by, say, the end of March.  If they feel they can get enough people vaccinated by the time cruising season is set to open for Alaska, then I can see a nearly full season.  Pure guess, but I'd say it'll start in June.  Granted, this is me being extremely hopeful, but it's just how I am seeing it.  Fingers crossed!

  10. 1 hour ago, TeeRick said:

    Interesting that you say that as I have been thinking very much the same.  I can just go by what the current vaccine distribution plan uses as a definition.  It seems that a dose is a single shot by that criteria.  So 100 million doses would vaccinate 50 million people.  Let's hope that for the J&J vaccine one dose = one shot and 100 million shots covers 100 million people.


    This is from the NPR article today.  https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/12/23/949541001/u-s-reaches-deal-with-pfizer-for-100-million-more-vaccine-doses

    "This is the second time the U.S. has moved to increase its vaccine supply in the past two weeks. On Dec. 11, the U.S. said it will buy 100 million more doses from Moderna, which will now supply a total of 200 million doses for $3.2 billion.

    Together, the two companies have committed to supply 400 million doses — enough to immunize 200 million people, as both companies' vaccines require two doses. The U.S. population is about 330 million."


    That's my guess as well, but it's never good to assume.


    Anyway, of that 330 million, approximately 75 million are 18 and younger.  They'll be the very last to be vaccinated.  So that actually leaves about 55 million of those 19 and older needing their shots and not getting them until later in the year.  Though based on those who will refuse to get the shots, I suspect everyone who wants one will get one by mid-summer and there'll be a surplus of available vaccine.

  11. 1 hour ago, TeeRick said:

    It appears today that the US has finalized a new agreement with Pfizer for another 100 million doses of vaccine in the first half of 2021.  The US will use the Defense Production Act to allow the manufacture of some of the raw materials needed to make and formulate the additional vaccine doses.  According to Pfizer as early as Sept 2020 it was routinely notifying the US Operation Warp Speed that it was limited in producing more doses because of critical shortages of some of the raw materials.




    Good news!  But one thing I'm hoping you can clarify because I'm not finding it anywhere:  When they say "doses", does that mean 2 shots or just 1?  This vaccine requires 2 shots to be effective, so to my way of thinking a "dose" would be the 2 shots 3 weeks apart, though I suspect that may not be the case.

  12. 9 hours ago, cruise kitty said:

    it's fantastic news, & also great that Moderna is stepping up & vaccinating all its placebo recipients immediately....  Pfizer is making us wait until we get sick,  die or hit our 6 month mark, whichever comes first 😞    Of course they would prefer one of the first two as that would provide more data points....  can you tell Im feeling a little bitter right now ?   Still glad I did it, & would not go back & change my decision.   


    How is Pfizer making us wait?  The US government didn't buy enough doses from them.  Whereas with Moderna, they bought quadruple the amount initially and that has recently bee doubled.  Unfortunately, the US put most of their eggs in the AstraZeneca basket and it was a losing proposition, at least in terms of how quickly they got it approved.  (In all fairness, I though they went with the right "horse".)

  13. On 12/17/2020 at 8:06 AM, TeeRick said:

    The US surgeon general just made a comment on his current view in a press interview. That is quite different than some type of official and lawful action.  No matter.  There will be no political will or otherwise for a vaccine to be mandated in the US.  Cannot even get a mask mandate in place.


    IMO, what the US surgeon general says has no bearing on what private corporations do.   As it stands right now (and I quote from a CC article) "if the ship's medical personnel determine that you're feverish, contagious or otherwise ill, they have the authority to prevent you from boarding."  So they have the right to dictate who gets on board.  If they require people be vaccinated, they can do it.  People can be as pissed as they want and I can see numerous lawsuits over it, but in the end they DO reserve the right to refuse people to board for any reason, especially if impacts passenger and crew safety & health.


    Personally speaking, and I've said this before, I'll be getting vaccinated as soon as I am able to do so.  Period.  If cruise lines require it, I won't fight it.

  14. On 12/11/2020 at 11:06 AM, TeeRick said:

    Or a branding iron?

    Remember the scar we all carried from childhood on our arms from the smallpox vaccine?  Or are you too young for that?


    They need to make the injections create a specific looking scar like the smallpox shot did!  :classic_laugh:

  15. 3 hours ago, Ken the cruiser said:

    It goes without saying, we all hope Pfizer is able to reduce their cold storage stability requirements. But in the interim it's comforting to hear the US just bought another 100m doses of the Moderna vaccine. That's, of course, it gets approved which it sure sounds like it's on track to do so in the next week or so.


    U.S. government buys another 100M doses of Moderna vaccine (politico.com)


    So this means 125 million people can get vaccinated in the US (250 million shots when you include the 50M Pfizer and the initial 100M of Moderna.)  Just under 40% of the US population.  According to recent polls, only 47% will get it, though I suspect that may change if airlines, cruise lines, etc., all require vaccination in order to travel, which a real possibility.


    Regardless, when it's my and my wife's time, we'll get our shots!  Cannot wait.

  16. 11 hours ago, emmas gran said:

    Why are people on this thread getting so argumentative???????????????


    Its a vaccine people will either get it or not it's a personal choice


    Well, if cruise lines require it for you to be on board, then you'll need to decide if you really want to cruise or not.  Granted, that still an "IF", but I can see it being a requirement if they want to sail again.

  17. 15 hours ago, Fly and Sail said:


    If Covid really causes that much long term damage as the media proclaims then society would do much better protecting young people first, not seniors who are already near the end of their lifespan.


    Otherwise you'll have two generations with various underlying conditions such as lung damage in 5-10 years while the generation they're now seeking to protect has died of old age.


    Gee, aren't you a winner.  I bet you're a laugh riot at parties.  Are you the one to push women and children aside to be first on the lifeboats as well?

  18. 8 hours ago, 4774Papa said:

    I have yet to see any racism on cruises or even on these boards.    That word is thrown around way more than it should be.  Needless to say, were I to encounter racism among cruisers, I would condemn it and avoid any at its source.


    I, unfortunately, have.  I could not just avoid it at the moment that it reared its ugly head since it was during dinner.  I won't go into details, but one person used a very derogatory term in describing a person of Mexican descent.  Myself and others told him and his wife that they would not be welcome back to the table for the remainder of the cruise, and I knew I used a few words that might even shock a sailor.  (The table sat 8 people, by the way.)  But to make sure they wouldn't come back, the 6 of us went to the Maître D' after dinner and explained it.  He said he'd take care of it and he did.  I never saw that asshat the rest of the cruise thankfully.


    Anyway, I apologize for the thread drift, but racism or prejudice of any kind is something I never tolerate.

  19. On 12/3/2020 at 2:37 AM, iamaqt2 said:

    I'm hoping my July Alaska cruise on the Solstice survives, having already cancelled 3 cruises.  The hardest thing I'm struggling with though, is dealing with patently different idealogies going forward.  Even on roll calls of cancelled cruises, I've had people calling this the China virus, or the Wuhan Flu.  
    There's a very different set of values between me and the people who say those things.  And they will also be cruising and wanting to join the meet and greets.  
    How will people be able to move forward from their differences of opinions and just enjoy cruising and meeting other people after this?


    It's simple:  Ignore the idiots and control only what you can control.  It's a shame that life isn't like a message board where you can put someone on ignore and you'd never see or hear their opinion again!  :classic_laugh:


    Regardless of ideologies, as long as someone respects me, I'll respect them.  I'm pretty easy going for the most part, but I have my "triggers" and I'll walk away if anyone "hits" them.  I refuse to sink down to their level and argue.  To quote:  “Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.” ― Mark Twain.

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