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  1. 1 hour ago, TeeRick said:

    Interesting that you say that as I have been thinking very much the same.  I can just go by what the current vaccine distribution plan uses as a definition.  It seems that a dose is a single shot by that criteria.  So 100 million doses would vaccinate 50 million people.  Let's hope that for the J&J vaccine one dose = one shot and 100 million shots covers 100 million people.


    This is from the NPR article today.  https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/12/23/949541001/u-s-reaches-deal-with-pfizer-for-100-million-more-vaccine-doses

    "This is the second time the U.S. has moved to increase its vaccine supply in the past two weeks. On Dec. 11, the U.S. said it will buy 100 million more doses from Moderna, which will now supply a total of 200 million doses for $3.2 billion.

    Together, the two companies have committed to supply 400 million doses — enough to immunize 200 million people, as both companies' vaccines require two doses. The U.S. population is about 330 million."


    That's my guess as well, but it's never good to assume.


    Anyway, of that 330 million, approximately 75 million are 18 and younger.  They'll be the very last to be vaccinated.  So that actually leaves about 55 million of those 19 and older needing their shots and not getting them until later in the year.  Though based on those who will refuse to get the shots, I suspect everyone who wants one will get one by mid-summer and there'll be a surplus of available vaccine.

  2. 1 hour ago, TeeRick said:

    It appears today that the US has finalized a new agreement with Pfizer for another 100 million doses of vaccine in the first half of 2021.  The US will use the Defense Production Act to allow the manufacture of some of the raw materials needed to make and formulate the additional vaccine doses.  According to Pfizer as early as Sept 2020 it was routinely notifying the US Operation Warp Speed that it was limited in producing more doses because of critical shortages of some of the raw materials.




    Good news!  But one thing I'm hoping you can clarify because I'm not finding it anywhere:  When they say "doses", does that mean 2 shots or just 1?  This vaccine requires 2 shots to be effective, so to my way of thinking a "dose" would be the 2 shots 3 weeks apart, though I suspect that may not be the case.

  3. 9 hours ago, cruise kitty said:

    it's fantastic news, & also great that Moderna is stepping up & vaccinating all its placebo recipients immediately....  Pfizer is making us wait until we get sick,  die or hit our 6 month mark, whichever comes first 😞    Of course they would prefer one of the first two as that would provide more data points....  can you tell Im feeling a little bitter right now ?   Still glad I did it, & would not go back & change my decision.   


    How is Pfizer making us wait?  The US government didn't buy enough doses from them.  Whereas with Moderna, they bought quadruple the amount initially and that has recently bee doubled.  Unfortunately, the US put most of their eggs in the AstraZeneca basket and it was a losing proposition, at least in terms of how quickly they got it approved.  (In all fairness, I though they went with the right "horse".)

  4. On 12/17/2020 at 8:06 AM, TeeRick said:

    The US surgeon general just made a comment on his current view in a press interview. That is quite different than some type of official and lawful action.  No matter.  There will be no political will or otherwise for a vaccine to be mandated in the US.  Cannot even get a mask mandate in place.


    IMO, what the US surgeon general says has no bearing on what private corporations do.   As it stands right now (and I quote from a CC article) "if the ship's medical personnel determine that you're feverish, contagious or otherwise ill, they have the authority to prevent you from boarding."  So they have the right to dictate who gets on board.  If they require people be vaccinated, they can do it.  People can be as pissed as they want and I can see numerous lawsuits over it, but in the end they DO reserve the right to refuse people to board for any reason, especially if impacts passenger and crew safety & health.


    Personally speaking, and I've said this before, I'll be getting vaccinated as soon as I am able to do so.  Period.  If cruise lines require it, I won't fight it.

  5. On 12/11/2020 at 11:06 AM, TeeRick said:

    Or a branding iron?

    Remember the scar we all carried from childhood on our arms from the smallpox vaccine?  Or are you too young for that?


    They need to make the injections create a specific looking scar like the smallpox shot did!  :classic_laugh:

  6. 3 hours ago, Ken the cruiser said:

    It goes without saying, we all hope Pfizer is able to reduce their cold storage stability requirements. But in the interim it's comforting to hear the US just bought another 100m doses of the Moderna vaccine. That's, of course, it gets approved which it sure sounds like it's on track to do so in the next week or so.


    U.S. government buys another 100M doses of Moderna vaccine (politico.com)


    So this means 125 million people can get vaccinated in the US (250 million shots when you include the 50M Pfizer and the initial 100M of Moderna.)  Just under 40% of the US population.  According to recent polls, only 47% will get it, though I suspect that may change if airlines, cruise lines, etc., all require vaccination in order to travel, which a real possibility.


    Regardless, when it's my and my wife's time, we'll get our shots!  Cannot wait.

  7. 11 hours ago, emmas gran said:

    Why are people on this thread getting so argumentative???????????????


    Its a vaccine people will either get it or not it's a personal choice


    Well, if cruise lines require it for you to be on board, then you'll need to decide if you really want to cruise or not.  Granted, that still an "IF", but I can see it being a requirement if they want to sail again.

  8. 15 hours ago, Fly and Sail said:


    If Covid really causes that much long term damage as the media proclaims then society would do much better protecting young people first, not seniors who are already near the end of their lifespan.


    Otherwise you'll have two generations with various underlying conditions such as lung damage in 5-10 years while the generation they're now seeking to protect has died of old age.


    Gee, aren't you a winner.  I bet you're a laugh riot at parties.  Are you the one to push women and children aside to be first on the lifeboats as well?

  9. 8 hours ago, 4774Papa said:

    I have yet to see any racism on cruises or even on these boards.    That word is thrown around way more than it should be.  Needless to say, were I to encounter racism among cruisers, I would condemn it and avoid any at its source.


    I, unfortunately, have.  I could not just avoid it at the moment that it reared its ugly head since it was during dinner.  I won't go into details, but one person used a very derogatory term in describing a person of Mexican descent.  Myself and others told him and his wife that they would not be welcome back to the table for the remainder of the cruise, and I knew I used a few words that might even shock a sailor.  (The table sat 8 people, by the way.)  But to make sure they wouldn't come back, the 6 of us went to the Maître D' after dinner and explained it.  He said he'd take care of it and he did.  I never saw that asshat the rest of the cruise thankfully.


    Anyway, I apologize for the thread drift, but racism or prejudice of any kind is something I never tolerate.

  10. On 12/3/2020 at 2:37 AM, iamaqt2 said:

    I'm hoping my July Alaska cruise on the Solstice survives, having already cancelled 3 cruises.  The hardest thing I'm struggling with though, is dealing with patently different idealogies going forward.  Even on roll calls of cancelled cruises, I've had people calling this the China virus, or the Wuhan Flu.  
    There's a very different set of values between me and the people who say those things.  And they will also be cruising and wanting to join the meet and greets.  
    How will people be able to move forward from their differences of opinions and just enjoy cruising and meeting other people after this?


    It's simple:  Ignore the idiots and control only what you can control.  It's a shame that life isn't like a message board where you can put someone on ignore and you'd never see or hear their opinion again!  :classic_laugh:


    Regardless of ideologies, as long as someone respects me, I'll respect them.  I'm pretty easy going for the most part, but I have my "triggers" and I'll walk away if anyone "hits" them.  I refuse to sink down to their level and argue.  To quote:  “Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.” ― Mark Twain.

  11. 9 hours ago, lyndarra said:

    I heard today on ABC that the initial supply by Pfizer is 100 million doses and that the offer of a follow up order was declined by the US government. This would mean that 50 million will vaccinated and everyone else will now have to wait for supply from elsewhere or if/when Pfizer receives another order which it can fill sometime in the future after other countries' orders. Did I understand it correctly?


    No Pfizer vaccine in the US until at least June, mostly July.


    Wonderful. /sarcasm

  12. 1 hour ago, Ken the cruiser said:

    Why do you say that with Pfizer, Moderna and Astra Zeneca all close to getting their vaccines approved?


    This Thursday Pfizer meets with the FDA to apply for an EUA and Moderna does the same on December 17th.  No idea about AstraZeneca.


    By the way, excellent article about the vaccines here:  https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/covid-vaccine-almost-here-here-s-what-you-should-know-n1250269

  13. 3 hours ago, lyndarra said:

    As one who enjoys travel, and wishing to continue so long as my health holds out, I will be in the queue for the vaccine when my turn comes. I was a polio survivor, my younger sister was not as lucky, having life long consequences due to no vaccine being available at the time. I can't imagine the side effects (and I accept there will be some) being worse than the disease.

    I'm sure many of my countrymen despair as to what is happening as many of us have friends and family over there and we feel somewhat helpless. We can only look on and hope for the best.


    I posted this article in the other vaccine thread, but I'll share it here as well:  https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/05/health/covid-vaccine-trial-participant/index.html

  14. 59 minutes ago, terrydtx said:

    That is your choice and most will not have any problem with that.  However,  do not complain when you will have to stay home and not be able to board a cruise ship or fly Internationally for the next few years because of your choice.


    I got into a heated discussion about that yesterday.  The other person feels that travel industry shouldn't be able to dictate that people can use their service if vaccinated or not.  My response was it's a private business, so they can make their rules and they need to also keep their employees safe.  That didn't go over well.


    Mind you, this person is definitely very pro-mask, etc., but takes umbrage at that.  Personally, whether we can travel or not, I'll get the vaccine.  But if all of the travel industry requires people be vaccinated, I'm behind them 100%.  I'd prefer not to see people stuck in a foreign port on a ship while the virus runs unchecked again...

  15. 3 hours ago, RiotAct said:


    That article definitely needs a much better proofreader...


    "Shan Soe-Lin, Ph.D., a lecturer in global affairs at Yale University in New Haven, Connecticut, and a trained epidemoioglost who predicted in April 2019 that mask-wearing would continue until at least the spring of 2020, said that she believes the trend will continue as a social norm even as vaccines begin to be distributed."


    I think they mean 2020 and 2021 respectively.  But, hey, I won't call them trash or anything like that.  Mistakes happen after all.



  16. 12 minutes ago, LGW59 said:

    We are in almost exact situation.  Aug 28th, depart from and return to Barcelona.  Will Spain, Malta, Turkey and Greece let us in??? Hopefully we can have received the vaccine by summer and the rest will play out as needed.


    My situation is a tad better with my cruise in October and final payment due the end of July.  I'll only pay if my wife and I are inoculated by then.  I hope you're fortunate and you're able to go.

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