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  1. Some apparent medical experts on these boards have assured us for weeks that influenza is much worse than covid-19 and on this particular thread that there's no problem with communal lotions/body wash etc. https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/wellness/hand-washing-coronavirus-moisturizer-dry/2020/03/06/ede43874-5fcb-11ea-b014-4fafa866bb81_story.html
  2. Bo- I'm sorry but you're wrong about its transmission. The airports we transited through were busy and congested. I saw two people wearing masks- the ear loop type- not N 95s. One was a TSA agent and another was a passenger at a gate. The cruise experience itself was excellent. I highly recommend the Edge. I wrote a review several days ago which still hasn't posted. I wonder why hotel reviews on tripadvisor (same owner) appear so quickly but not ship reviews. Good luck to all of us!
  3. We sailed last week on the Edge. Here are a few of the mistakes I observed: On embarkation, two different people asked to see our express pass (phone) and handled our phone (or other passengers' paper passes) one after the next, quickly moving people along. Personnel didn't sanitize their hands between handling devices and papers or offer sanitizing wipes to passengers to clean their phones or dispose of their paper passes after all that handling. Capt Kate announced at muster that there would be no hand shakes; however, our butler extended his hand and crew were high f
  4. Check out the Crystal board topic "Crystal and the Coronavirus." Some frustrated passengers on both Crystal and HAL posting tonight about their refund policies and not canceling Asian sailings. I'm glad that so far, Celebrity is doing the right thing and hope they keep it up! Also, some nice comments on how well Celebrity handled issues in the past.
  5. We loved our cruise several yrs ago on the Serenity and I'm sure the crew is still great but the new owner (Genting) is a different story. Carnival Corp (HAL, Princess) also dragging its feet about canceling and full refunds. Celebrity has canceled all Asian sailings and is offering full refunds! I know the Celebrity ships are too big for some but the suite experience is very nice. My husband loved Crystal but I'm going to remember how they've handled this situation next time we are booking a cruise.
  6. I hope David and Sally Abel and all the others will avail themselves of offers to get off the ship ASAP even if it means a potential separation from their partners. flyertalk china forum has many interesting posts- some by infectious disease experts. The Princess Diamond is described as the new global hot spot and some posting on the forum would rather be in an apt in Wuhan than on the ship! The elderly passengers who are being offered an opportunity to quarantine in a new location would also be helping the remaining passengers and crew by possibly decreasing the spread of in
  7. Re: the "minimal protection" of the initial "quarantine officers": They were protected minimally which is sad for them but how much infection did they spread? They weren't accompanied by anyone standing outside the room with a garbage bag for the used gloves and ear scan covers. How many pairs of gloves and how many ear scan thermometer covers were in each officer's pocket? How many could their pockets hold? Did they have dozens of each in their pockets? How did they retrieve these items each time from their pockets? Were they also fishing around in their pockets for pens and a note
  8. I saw a video or photos of what I assumed to be the "quarantine officers" when they first arrived on the ship- scenes from the corridors of passenger decks as they went about taking temperatures. My recollection is that none were wearing N95 masks- all had on the flimsy, ineffective "procedure" masks with ear loops that the general public is wearing in Asia. And they had on gloves. I don't recall seeing any foot coverings or disposable protective gowns on that first day. If I'm wrong, someone please correct me. I feel sorry for the infected "quarantine officer" if he and his collea
  9. I admire David Abel and his wife's good humor, patience and wit but I hope someone will go to bat for them and all the rest stuck on the ship. I can't imagine any independent infectious disease consultant recommending that the staff prepare food, serve it and continue to work on the ship rather than be in isolation themselves. Now that the infection is spreading among the staff, are meals being prepared off site? Who is serving the meals?
  10. All this talk of whiskey and more video entertainment is heartwarming but what the passengers and crew need now are strong advocates. I'd like to see Carnival announce that they've hired several independent MD infectious disease specialists (not on the company payroll) and will follow their recommendations. If their recommendations run counter to what Japan will allow, then Carnival Corp should lobby the Japanese govt hard!
  11. Who is preparing the food on this ship? Carnival Corp should step up and contract with a local Japanese company to prepare all meals off site to prevent contamination. Also, it's doubtful the non medically trained crew understands how to maintain precautions against cross contamination. Could outside workers be brought in to deliver meals? A new study is showing throat swabs might need to be taken from a deeper spot in the lungs- not normally accessible except by medical personnel in a clinic or hospital setting. See flyertalk China coronavirus forum. .
  12. In one of David Abel's first videos, he commented on the "medical guys" doing a "45 second" visit consisting of a few questions and a temp reading with an ear scan thermometer. According to him, the cover was not changed between his reading and his wife's. I'm glad that everyone onboard the ship has now been issued their own thermometers. But I'm wondering- who were these "medical guys"- Japanese public health workers or ship employees? In a hospital isolation room- gowns, masks and gloves would be carefully removed and discarded outside each patient's room each time personnel or visitors
  13. Thanks so much Karysa for your comments. Someone on the Celebrity board was just at Grand Case and really enjoyed the Rainbow Cafe. I had also considered Holland House for lunch but wouldn't swim there because of Great Bay pollution. Is Grand Case still in recovery and not a good choice? Any lunch recommendations on the French side? I appreciate your help!!
  14. Can anyone recommend a non polluted beach on the Dutch side? Has water quality at beaches on the French side been tested?
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