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  1. And that's exactly the point. If the question was... "Will constellation still be sailing from Venice" ....poor answer However if the question was...."Where in Italy will constellation sail from"...poor question. In my opinion Constellation will not be moved out of Venice due to port requirements, They are to keen to get some money back into the city after the shutdown. However whether it will sail at all because of the pandemic is a very different question PS i'm booked of constellation return Venice 4th October 21... Fingers crossed Stuart
  2. I’m not convinced celebrity will be moving . With the pandemic Venice is now more keen on keeping hold of any possible cruise income. There have been a number of demonstrations by port workers who could lose their jobs and pressure for MSC and Costa to include Venice as a port in their start up cruises Yes RCC moved departure port but I would not assume that celebrity will follow in the mad world we live in anything could happy
  3. Funny old world. Because of the timing I probable got it before most people in the US. Just as I got up for Breakfast at 6am
  4. Indeed who will go on any cruise as early as November? As you say, "I cant get to the sates", and a lot of others are also avoiding travel (Disney just laid off 28,000 after reopening!! Not all in Florida but most were). Totally agree with freedom of choice (as long as it's not impacting others) but it would appear that most people are voting with their feet. The extension of "cruise with confidence" makes it an easy choice for a lot of people Although the cruise companies want to start and there will be some costumers keen to be onboard. Any cruise this early will be more out of principle rather then profit.
  5. I've done two lift and shifts. Both online via the celebrity site even though I booked through a travel agent. Both were updated with my first choice and showed in "my celebrity" within 24 hours. I was then contacted by my TA to be advised if the changes in tax etc. One went up slightly, One came down slightly. 1. October 9th 2020 Silhouette 10 nights out of Southampton to Spain - Moved to 4th October 2021 Constellation 10 nights out of Venice to Greece .... I was surprised this was offered as a very different cruise but it was and I grabbed it! 2. April 9th 2021 Constellation 10 nights out of Tampa - Moved to March 21st 2022 10 nights out of Fort Lauderdale
  6. Agree it’s not looking good now all Europe removed from site that said they could be...working on new cruises which are shorter, only visit one country and have limited numbers onboard. A number of other lines are already doing this in Europe so would carry some logic so all is not lost yet BUT not looking good for those who want to sail
  7. Makes some sense if that is the case. However they appear to be moving on block (Reflection Silhouette Equinox and Summit) and heading for Havana Cuba WHY?
  8. Good question I can only assume it’s more to do with getting passengers to the ships. Both costa and msc carry predominantly European passengers or at least can make a cruise viable with drive to guests Celebrity’s main customers are from the US which still has substantial travel restrictions and to be honest it’s difficult to see this changing in the next few months I fear the only possibility cruises this year are a few out of UK as these tend to carry a large number of locals. Of course subject to the UK lifting it’s ban
  9. I moved my Tampa Constellation April 2021 to 2022 using the online tool about 2 weeks ago. Although I had booked through a TA it let me do it Never received any confirmation but "My Celebrity" was updated with the new cruise and cabin (which I was very pleased with) the very next day Have you checked it?
  10. Still the same. If there is one thing was know about this whole situation it's the world will be very different in 3 months time. Things may deteriorate further but we could have turned the corner and be looking forward to better times for everyone Time will tell
  11. So why have I posted this on the Celebrity board? Hurtigruten are not one of the big 3 cruise companies but with 16 ships they are NOT a small player either. The point is 14 of their ships will be back in service at the start of September. Visiting only home nations (depart Norway going round Norway / Depart UK going round UK) and almost exclusively for locals (called drive to passengers) It makes a lot of sense and results in automatic reduced capacity due to travel restrictions. It appears an ideal way to get started. It's getting to the point where Celebrity must be contemplation no restart until Spring 2021 but this would give them a start up option. I've said for some time that Apex will be the first ship back running a late summer season out of Southampton. My full restart guess!!!!!! Apex - Staying in Europe - starts FULL program in Spring 2021 - Does some of Silhouette Fall cruises out of Southampton starting late September Constellation - Cold layup in Med - Starts Europe program Spring 2021 - Or sold!! Infinity - Cold layup in Med - Starts Europe program Spring 2021 - Or sold!! Edge - First ship to restart in Caribbean - Will do the Infinity short duration cruises Winter Season Equinox - Will restart Late 2020/Early 2021 on planned itinerary as longer cruises become acceptable Solstice - Will cover either her Australia Winter 2020/Spring 2021 cruises or Cover Millennium Asia cruises depending on demand and flight availability Millennium - Cold layup - restart Alaska season 2021 Eclipse - Cold layup - restart Alaska season 2021 Summit - Cold layup - restart North East Season Summer 2021 Reflection - Cold Layup - restart dependent on demand But could be Europe 2021 Silhouette - Europe 2020 and South America 2021/2021 cancelled - New short Caribbean cruises introduced starting Early 2021
  12. I've made my view clear on Apex a number of times and with Europe starting (fingers cross) to get this thing under control I'm still of a view that Europe will start up first. Interestingly these have been a number of comments to imply that the ships are now in their start up positions. It seems logical to me that Apex, Constellation, infinity will ultimately stay in Europe and probably restart FULL cruising at the start of the 2021 Europe season on the Spring. That's not to say that, if things improve, they will not do some of the 2020 late Summer cruises but given the problems with getting Americans over, only thing Southampton could justify a restart this fall. The UK currently does not ban Americans but does require a quarantine. Critical however is the number of local passengers and Southampton has more "drive to" passengers than any other Europe port. Hence I think Apex might do some of the Southampton Silhouette late Summer sailings. Over the pond things don't look good. Short cruises will. in my opinion, be the order of the day. So the infinity fall programme is likely to be the first to start. But it would be a waste of money to bring her over from the med so my guess is the the these will be on Edge!! So hear goes Apex - Staying in Europe - starts FULL program in Spring 2021 - Does some of Silhouette Fall cruises out of Southampton starting late September Constellation - Cold layup in Med - Starts Europe program Spring 2021 - Or sold!! Infinity - Cold layup in Med - Starts Europe program Spring 2021 - Or sold!! Edge - First ship to restart in Caribbean - Will do the Infinity short duration Winter Season Equinox - Will restart Late 2020/Early 2021 on planned itinerary as longer cruises become acceptable Solstice - Will cover either her Asia Winter 2020/Spring 2021 cruises or Eclipse Australia dependent on demand and flight availability Millennium - Cold layup - restart Alaska season 2021 Eclipse - Cold layup - restart Alaska season 2021 Summit - Cold layup - restart North East Season Summer 2021 Reflection - Cold Layup - restart dependent on demand But could be Europe 2021 Silhouette - Europe 2020 and South America 2021/2021 cancelled - New short Caribbean cruises introduced starting Early 2021 Anyone agree!!
  13. Totally agree Life is a bit sh*t at the moment but if your main focus is on celebrities refubs - you need to get a life I've also been fortunate enough to sail on both "revolution" and none revolution ships. Both have good and bad points. The thing that ALWAYS makes the cruise for me is not the new modern ideas and decor but the CREW So lets get over any 1st world problems, look forward to a great cruise and take a minute out to think of some people who have not been so fortunate. Anyone who can't do that can always vote with their feet
  14. Given that news is just breaking that NCL and all the other group brands have now suspended cruises through 30th September I thought it was a good time to report my OP The question is when will celebrity follow stuart
  15. I agree you make a fair point which I assume is based on the disruption changing ships would cause. However, and I know it's a wild shot, I shill think they will substitute the ships and Apex will pick up the late summer out of Southampton because 1. It's currently in Northern France. In fact it's finished but still in the shipyard so they could do any new changes required to comply with port corvid quickly 2. New ships only need 30% passengers to make a cruise viable (not to make a profit but to lose less money!!) 3. Flights are expected to be restricted for some time 4. Southampton is the ONLY Europe port to achieve the required 30% passengers from local residents. I agree this is a stronger argument for the round trip Southampton and it's weaker for the TA. Celebrity will have to make a call on that Just a call time will tell Stuart
  16. I agree no logic at all. I now expect all Silhouette cruises out of Southampton prior to this to be cancelled. It strengthens my argument the Apex will replace Silhouette for the late summer
  17. I still see the 15th as available - Confused
  18. Glass half full guy! YES - As the US starts to either accept Coronavirus or get over it. Close to home cruises particularly on the new ships will start up. So if you need to move Apex to the US you might as well carry passengers. This said I don't think it will go from Barcelona as planned. I've said for some time that Apex will substitute for Silhouette and start up out of Southampton. But only a guess. If the last few months have proved anything - Nothing is certain and things change daily Stuart
  19. A lot of airlines are offering some kind of adjusted refund policy at the moment Even without this discussion NOTHING can be relied on at the moment. Everything changes almost daily Might be wise to hunt one out of your planning to book air
  20. That was my view when I started the other topic Celebrity will want to keep the "modern luxury" marketing line so will logically keep the two refurbished "M" class The whole idea would be to reduce capacity and therefore keep up prices. Sorry to say I think, and it's only a guess, that their cruises will be cancelled or ships changed depending on sales. If say Tampa bookings are strong they are likely to substitute another ship All guess work and time will tell Stuart
  21. Good question - I think it's technically open. A bit like our train stations and public transport - open but empty with no cruises operating until August at best!! The bigger problem is filling them as the UK currently has a 14 day quarantine for all international arrivals. This makes it unpractical for almost all international passengers. Personally I don't think this will last long but Southampton is one of the few ports where Celebrity can get the required (reduced) passenger numbers from "drive to" customers. Furthermore, a number of the cruise ports around northern Europe are talking about reopening as well. So I remain confident that UK cruises will restart soon just not sure it will be anything more than a British cruise
  22. Still think the restart will be in Europe and Asia first!
  23. Which together with delaying new builds reduces short term capacity - Always like your comments!
  24. That's where I have my money and it does imply that things are start to take shape
  25. There has been a lot of talk about over capacity in the industry and that RCCL as a group will be looking to sell off or even scrap some of the fleet as the expected return to "normal" is potentially slow. I've never understood this argument for 3 reasons 1. Who will be in the market to buy cruise ships? 2. Royal/Celebrity still carry substantial debt against it's ships 3. Fleets are relatively new and cost effective to run. However overnight the following news came out https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/23074-pullmantur-ships-move-to-cold-lay-up.html Pullmantur is a RCCL joint venture running 3/4 old retired Royal ships. All their cruises are now cancelled until 15th November 2020 and once in cold layup the ships could take months to recommission. Furthermore all the crew contracts have been transferred to CELEBRITY! The RCCL group is clearly looking at options for this line. These ships could be brought back if things improve quickly or they might just disappear and be replaced by Constellation and Infinity. Reducing capacity and cutting out the "revolution" costs Views? Stuart
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