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  1. https://www.cruiselawnews.com/2011/09/articles/flags-of-convenience/why-cant-you-cruise-from-one-us-port-to-another-us-port/#:~:text=The law requires that all,and crewed by U.S. citizens.&text=So the entire US based,one US port to another. AND current status and penalties... https://shouldbecruising.com/2020/07/01/passenger-vessel-services-act/
  2. That would be the 1st law waiver I'd ask for, if I was the industry. Start with US passengers only to US ports only. There's plenty of both, and that way, you don't have the worries that happened in the spring if you get an outbreak...start small and work up as you prove "proof of concept" on the safety and passengers' willingness to abide by the rules.
  3. But even then, that doesn't always hold for the elderly and immuno-compromised, who almost universally get the flu shot (especially those in LTC and senior living), and still succumb to the illness in large numbers every year...
  4. It also has a 2nd non-discussed benefit of virtually eliminating cross-contamination for those with allergies. As I've developed 2 food allergies in my 40's (I got to live 40 years with no allergies, and then wham, back to back - sometimes it's sucks growing older - but it beats the alternative:), the benefits of knowing the food is "clean" of unintended cross-contamination is getting priceless to me. I don't eat buffets now b/c I can't guarantee what's in the food is actually what's in the food. So, my family has a buffet while I table order at the Asian restaurants we still go
  5. If they are sick...I wouldn't go back out on your balcony again for the rest of your stay. That sucks, but that will also keep you as safe as possible. If the stateroom attendant brings you and your neighbor things, they are also probably not changing gloves and masks in between, so I would wash your hands once you bring it in (and wash anything you can), and then try to not touch what's given (so eat everything with a cleaned-by-you knife and fork...drink everything from a disposable straw you take out of a wrapper, etc)...
  6. I actually expect we'll see what I proposed a few days ago - a multi-port drop off plans - Americans in FL, Canadians in Canada, and Europeans at a European-affiliated port...
  7. So, it does sound like this is gonna be the "port in multiple places" plan...if so, I'd expect them to continue up the coast after a FL drop off to set up a Canadian or European one...
  8. Is there any reason cruise lines haven't sent their people home to their home countries and truly docked these ships empty? It's getting almost ridiculous how many crew members are getting medi-vaced off per day on ships that have been through their cruises long ago...
  9. Take what's there now...there may be nothing left later...
  10. But I think for those 3 places - the US, Canada, and Europe - the pressure from their citizens to get their own people off might make it possible... And better an incomplete solution than no solution... There may be much more willingness to help 300 vs 2000 by each main government...and then with 1000 off, the problem now becomes a 1000 person issue, not a 2000 one...
  11. I haven't seen anyone discuss the possibility that rather one debarkation and having to move everyone by chartered flights...there could be as many as 3-4 debarkations - one for US passengers in the US, one for Canadians in Canada, and one for Europeans somewhere in Europe or at a European point (since Europe has used some islands as a charter jump off point), before coming back to South America with whomever is left. It is probably "more containable and possible" for countries to accept their own passengers back and start dealing with the smaller number, than to also work on the l
  12. So, South American cruises may be the last ones ever to come back after this virus. I honestly think this ship will have a 2 week quarantine from the point of getting everyone tested (if they can separate healthy and not healthy on the ship) before it has any chance of porting. So, it might be a long and hard continued trip for them. Everyone knew about the virus by early March. Yes, some were downplaying it...but we had also seen the Princess ship fiasco. Anyone who chose to cruise, especially in a cruise that began and ended outside their home country, was gambli
  13. There will still be "grab and go" dining, but it will be food court like - go up and have a person serve you a burger, salad, chicken sandwich, soup, etc...like hitting the mall. You never serve yourself, and you go up and wait at each restaurant at the food court...
  14. I think they will be...I expect more a "food court" concept to replace the buffet concept...and for there to be a stronger emphasis on seated dining again...
  15. At this point, there may be a decision to have people ride it out on both ships. I'm sure they are hoping the Rotterdam will be allowed to port somewhere with healthy folks, but it's almost certain the Zaandam will become a floating hospital ala the NY cruise terminal becoming a hospital for NYC...
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