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#1
Ontario, Canada
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I was reviewing a spreadsheet that is posted on this board that lists the drink and wine prices. When looking at the wine prices Dom Perignon is selling for $179 plus a gratuity of $44.75. If you buy any wine
over $60
on board it would less expensive to buy it in port and pay the $15 corkage fee. The least expensive Merlot is priced at $27 plus $6.75 gratuity. Is it more work to serve
Dom Perignon than the Merlot? A standard gratuity should be applied to all bottles. Same should apply to mixed drinks and shots. Appling gratuity to the drink price is also outrageous. If you buy 2 drinks in a bar at home for $10 each I doubt you tip $3 each round.
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#2
South Florida
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Originally posted by The Wood Duck
A standard gratuity should be applied to all bottles. Same should apply to mixed drinks and shots. Appling gratuity to the drink price is also outrageous. If you buy 2 drinks in a bar at home for $10 each I doubt you tip $3 each round.
Well I certainly do.


I wonder if those who support the idea of tipping a flat amount per drink rather than a percentage of the check will genuinely proffer two drinks tip value during a BOGO happy hour. Or is it a "flat tip or percentage, whichever is lower" policy? Eh?
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Debarking is a cruel procedure done to dogs.
Upgrades, Upsellls and Move Over Offers are completely different things.
As are being denied boarding and being disembarked early.
And don't get me started on Port Charges vs. Government Taxes, Fees, and Port Expenses.
The Jones Act is for cargo. The PVSA is "that terrible law" that restricts USA domestic sailings. But without which there would likely be no cruise ships with casinos, duty free shops, and international crew members willing to work fantastically hard every single day.
Lots of people fly in the morning of the cruise and catch crazy early flights home. Why ask us if you can? Just to be harassed by the regulars?
No hotels have free shuttles, free breakfast, free wifi, or free parking. You pay in the rate. And could have found a better deal paying by the piece.
And don't forget: the cruise line is in complete control of the weather, political unrest, medical emergencies, and anything else that delays or re-routes your cruise. Be sure to demand compensation as it is you and only you who were affected.
#3
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Joined Apr 2013
Gratuity at a restaurant at home is typically based on price. It is no more work for a server to present a $10 hamburger than a $30 steak, but the tip would likely be different.

You are correct--if you want an expensive wine, use that as your "free" carrry on, or bring more and pay the corkage fee. The cost of buying on land is likely much less than on board, in addition to saving on the gratuity.
#4
Greenville, SC, USA
54,431 Posts
Joined Apr 2000
I am not sure about your number. Princess charges 15% gratuities on all beverages. For DP, it would be 26.85. For the Merlot it is $4.05

I think you are saying you would not tip $3 for a $20 tab. That is 15%, so I would
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#5
South Florida
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It appears the OP is misreading the spreadsheet. Though in their defense the format changes without adequate labeling.

For individual drinks Column C is the price before gratuity, Column D is the price with (C * 1.15).

For wines Column C is the price per bottle, Column D is the price per glass. Neither column reflects the gratuity.
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Debarking is a cruel procedure done to dogs.
Upgrades, Upsellls and Move Over Offers are completely different things.
As are being denied boarding and being disembarked early.
And don't get me started on Port Charges vs. Government Taxes, Fees, and Port Expenses.
The Jones Act is for cargo. The PVSA is "that terrible law" that restricts USA domestic sailings. But without which there would likely be no cruise ships with casinos, duty free shops, and international crew members willing to work fantastically hard every single day.
Lots of people fly in the morning of the cruise and catch crazy early flights home. Why ask us if you can? Just to be harassed by the regulars?
No hotels have free shuttles, free breakfast, free wifi, or free parking. You pay in the rate. And could have found a better deal paying by the piece.
And don't forget: the cruise line is in complete control of the weather, political unrest, medical emergencies, and anything else that delays or re-routes your cruise. Be sure to demand compensation as it is you and only you who were affected.
#6
Florida
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Joined Jun 2010
I buy a $4 beer at home at a bar and tip $1

I buy a $5.95 (same beer) on the cruise and the tip is $ .89

I buy a bucket of beer - all at the same time for $ 23.80 - buy 4 get one free

tip on the 23.80 = 3.57

does the person that gave me the bucket of beer deserve $ 2.68 more than the person that served me the single beer ???

I get better service at waffle house than I do sometimes on the ship ... and gladly tip way more than 20% usually... a $ 10 tab at waffle house easily gets a $ 5 tip...
#7
Georgia
273 Posts
Joined Jan 2004
Originally posted by voljeep

I get better service at waffle house than I do sometimes on the ship ... and gladly tip way more than 20% usually... a $ 10 tab at waffle house easily gets a $ 5 tip...
I'm thinking you may just have a thing for those Waffle House waitresses
#8
Ontario, Canada
91 Posts
Joined Feb 2018
Fellow posters, I was trying to make a point that if you buy a single bottle of $20 wine you would tip $3. The tip on a $200 cost $30. No more skill or effort to supply and serve either bottle. Why does the fee need be so high? My wife an I always tip as it is standard in Canada. 15% min. I am old enough to remember a 10% tip being generous, now we are pushing that standard to 20%. What next 25%.
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#9
pa
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Joined Dec 2007
Originally posted by The Wood Duck
Appling gratuity to the drink price is also outrageous. If you buy 2 drinks in a bar at home for $10 each I doubt you tip $3 each round.
In the U.S. where I live, if you are sitting at a bar rail and ordering drinks it is typical to tip $1 each for most drinks. That means a $3 pint gets the same tip as an $8 martini. If someone buys you a drink, you normally still leave a $1 tip. Of course some leave larger amounts and some smaller.
If you are seated at a table ordering drinks and food, then the drinks become part of the the total bill and it is normal to tip 15-20%. So the higher the drink price the higher the gratuity. The Princess experience in the DR's and lounges is closer to this than being seated in a local pub.
Doubt very much Princess will change its procedure. Many people do bring on their own wine and pay the corkage.
#10
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Princess like most cruise ships adds a 15% gratuity on top of anything ordered at the bar which includes even a bottle of water. This is the major source of the bar help's income. On land you certainly can stiff the bar help if that is what you want to do but on the ship you have to pay the fixed gratuity.
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#11
Greenville, SC, USA
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Originally posted by satxdiver
Princess like most cruise ships adds a 15% gratuity on top of anything ordered at the bar which includes even a bottle of water. This is the major source of the bar help's income. On land you certainly can stiff the bar help if that is what you want to do but on the ship you have to pay the fixed gratuity.
Well said
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#12
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Joined Jul 2004
Personally I tip 20% on food when the service is good to excellent. But allow an extra $5 - $10 for a bottle of wine regardless of the price.

There's just no reason to justify a $30 tip to pour a $200 bottle of wine requiring the same effort to serve a $25 one.
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#14
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Joined Jul 2002
Originally posted by majortom10
Is there anything on a ship that people buy without giving a tip its ridiculous.
The items in the shops don't have a gratuity added to them.
#15
nemo, texas
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Joined Jan 2011
I don't drink wine so I know nothing about this subject. I'm just curious. Is there a specific wine gratuity? Is it mandatory? That sounds really high.
#16
Ontario, Canada
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Joined Feb 2018
Tipping will always be an issue when it is added automatically. Until the cruise line starts to pay a "living wage" to all crew members we the consumer have to pay. Those who purchase beverages and such that have auto gratuity will pay much more for their cruise than do those who buy little or nothing. Some cruise lines offer all inclusive, yes they appear expensive, but take some time and do the math. I would rather know upfront the cost of my trip as you can with All Inclusive resorts. I prefer to tip in cash, that way I know who is getting the tip. We have no way to tell how fairly the cruise lines distribute the gratuities.
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#17
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Joined Dec 2007
Originally posted by 1965
I don't drink wine so I know nothing about this subject. I'm just curious. Is there a specific wine gratuity? Is it mandatory? That sounds really high.
Yes, 15% automatically added to any beverage purchased on the ship, alcoholic or non-alcoholic. If you purchase or have the Premium Beverage Package then the 15% is added to the price of the package. Thus a $12 drink has not more of a tip than a $6 one.
#18
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Originally posted by geoherb
The items in the shops don't have a gratuity added to them.
I am well aware of that but paying $11-50pppn in gratuities, extra in gratuities if eating in speciality restaurants and then tip on top of 15% already added on drinks giving extra $1-2 where does it end and think it is far too much.
#19
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Originally posted by The Wood Duck
Tipping will always be an issue when it is added automatically. Until the cruise line starts to pay a "living wage" to all crew members we the consumer have to pay. Those who purchase beverages and such that have auto gratuity will pay much more for their cruise than do those who buy little or nothing. Some cruise lines offer all inclusive, yes they appear expensive, but take some time and do the math. I would rather know upfront the cost of my trip as you can with All Inclusive resorts. I prefer to tip in cash, that way I know who is getting the tip. We have no way to tell how fairly the cruise lines distribute the gratuities.
We do not have to pay and as long as people do then cruise line swill carry on paying their staff appalling wages while making billions in profit. If we made a stand and refused to pay gratuities cruise lines would have to change. Some out there do have all inclusive cruises where no gratuities are expected or paid and RCCL have for sale a selection of cruises from the UK advertised as gratuities included so it can be done.
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It's the business model. All prices and gratuity are factored in. If you change the gratuities, it will affect pricing in other parts of the model. Just look at your total package per day (we do this on any trip, land or cruise) and see if you are getting a value that you appreciate which is different to each person.
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