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#22
Boston, MA
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Originally posted by GUT2407
Maybe Cunard isn’t best for OP.
I think it's the best. If one thinks that dancing is romantic, the QM is for you. You just has to accept the idea that many other people think dancing on the ship is good idea and the two big dance venues get filled up with, dare I say it, dancers.

I read posts from people who compare Cunard to other ships and they complain the other ships keep the floors real sticky to be sure people don't fall. As a result, you can't dance on them. Or the dance floor is part of the bar/dining room where people or waiters walk through all the time. Not a good place to dance.

The OP wants a little dancing in the bars. Dance on the carpet. It's better than a sticky floor.
There's no rule that says dancing has to be done on wood. Dance wherever you can find space.

Correction to prior post:
My wife reminded me that it was the Golden Lion that had the small wooden dance floor, not the Chart Room.
#23
Kansas City
522 Posts
Joined Nov 2012
It is unfortunate that Cunard does not post basic "Ballroom Etiquette" on a wall in the corridor outside of the Queen Room so that those who are not familiar with ballroom style dancing will not feel uncomfortable or inconvenience other dancers. Basic information like where you should dance on the ballroom floor should have been taught during a person's very the first dance lessons, but that unfortunately is not the case for many.
#24
Pennsylvania
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Originally posted by paulista1950
"All these fancy-schmancy show-offs are very off-putting, intimidating"
This is the kind of comment I can't understand. What should Cunard, or any other cruise line btw, do?

Put a sign "do not intimidate your fellow passengers"?
Mario: You do have to agree that the Queens Room is often not a good place for casual dancing with all the Simply Ballroom crowd.

BostonSusie: Not the advice you're looking for, I recognize, but HAL offers what you seek with a dance floor in most venues that might have danceable music..
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#25
Boston, MA
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Originally posted by BobBranst
It is unfortunate that Cunard does not post basic "Ballroom Etiquette" on a wall in the corridor outside of the Queen Room so that those who are not familiar with ballroom style dancing will not feel uncomfortable or inconvenience other dancers. Basic information like where you should dance on the ballroom floor should have been taught during a person's very the first dance lessons, but that unfortunately is not the case for many.
I've been on four crossings, and on each one the cruise directors mentioned ballroom etiquette every night. They talked about line-of-dance, travelling couples dance on the outside and slow moving or stationary couples stay in the middle. And most important, that the dance floor is not a place for unsupervised children.

My wife & I joked that these talks were aimed at the American passengers. We assumed the Brits already know their way around a ballroom.
#26
SE Queensland, Australia
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Joined Oct 2007
Originally posted by Q-step
I've been on four crossings, and on each one the cruise directors mentioned ballroom etiquette every night. They talked about line-of-dance, travelling couples dance on the outside and slow moving or stationary couples stay in the middle.
But no mention of the line-dancers???
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#27
Sao Paulo, Brazil
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Joined Sep 2006
Originally posted by Underwatr
Mario: You do have to agree that the Queens Room is often not a good place for casual dancing with all the Simply Ballroom crowd.

BostonSusie: Not the advice you're looking for, I recognize, but HAL offers what you seek with a dance floor in most venues that might have danceable music..

I agree, but I can't see how to solve the "problem".
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#28
Kansas City
522 Posts
Joined Nov 2012
Originally posted by Q-step
I've been on four crossings, and on each one the cruise directors mentioned ballroom etiquette every night. They talked about line-of-dance, travelling couples dance on the outside and slow moving or stationary couples stay in the middle. And most important, that the dance floor is not a place for unsupervised children.
Do you recall at what time during the night the cruise director made this announcement? We have been on seven crossings and I never recall this happening while we were on the ship. During our December crossings, I had to personally ask the mother of a child that had been repeatedly running onto the floor during dances to keep her child off of the floor. Many people simply do not consider the danger this poses to the dancers, especially older dancers, and to the children themselves if a dancer were to fall on them.
Originally posted by Q-step
wife & I joked that these talks were aimed at the American passengers. We assumed the Brits already know their way around a ballroom.
We are Americans and unfortunately, I have to agree. Most (non-ballroom dancer) Americans have no concept of ballroom etiquette.
#29
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Joined Mar 2018
Stop being Snarky about who is and is not trained or educated in, or aware of "Ballroom Etiquette". I am well aware of the rules of the road on a large "formal" dance floor- You guys don't get it! My request was not to change the Ballroom, but to simply open up more venues on Cunard for slower, romantic, or older couples, one of the latter I sadly have become. Having sailed over 15 times on various cruises and ships the thread about "sticky" floors and clumsy waiters is a bunch of malarky! And for what it's worth, both Canadian and American schools generally offer Ballroom dancing as part of their Phys Ed programs, or as an alternative, there are lots of private dancing schools for teens and pre-teens. So save the outmoded jingoistic remarks for reality-based situations! Just someone, please, pass the word to Cunard that a little space in the lounges for a slow two-step foxtrot would be appreciated..That's all I wanted to bring forward for discussion.
#30
Pennsylvania
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Originally posted by paulista1950
I agree, but I can't see how to solve the "problem".
Does the Yacht Club (QV) have a dance floor? I haven't been on QV or QE in an eternity (literally for QE since I've never been) but that seems like a place where another line would have a dance floor and live music suitable for casual dancing (such as light jazz or " lounge music").

It could be done, if Cunard and their passenger mix wanted.

I've had a couple of cruises on Holland America in the last year and as I've mentioned they seem to put a wood dance floor in almost every lounge that has live music.
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#31
US
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Joined Nov 2009
Not to be impertinent, but, if you do not like the food (you mentioned it was the worst), don't like the placement of the buffet items, don't like the ice cream machines, and don't like the style of dance or the fact that there are not enough entertainment venues pleasing to your tastes, then why are you booked to go again?
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#32
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Joined Mar 2018
OK- since you ask! My daughter is studying for an advanced degree at Uni. Duesseldorf and my husbnd has a mother in Germany- For health reasons I cannot fly long distances-Soooo,if I want to visit Europe I sail or swim! From anyplace between Toronto and Miami the only option is Cunard out of Brooklyn NY. Because necessity forces me to sail QM 2, that does not mean my opinions and evaluations and observations are not valid and worth considering! Anyway- Holland America beat out Cunard in cruise ship ratings this year and I can well understand why! As H. A. sails to Europe from Florida I am unable to sail with them. Too bad for me!
#33
Kansas City
522 Posts
Joined Nov 2012
OK, let's just be practical about this. The bean counters at Cunard/Carnival are highly unlikely to let 100 sq. feet of existing revenue producing space be replaced with a wood floor for more dance floor space. Dance floors, including the the one in the Queens Room, do not generate revenue while being used. It is the people drinking while seated at the tables around the floor that generates the revenue. While you are dancing, you are not drinking (at least not on this ship). This is why most lines other than Cunard no longer have large dedicated ballrooms.

Removing and replacing tables in any of the lounges where live music is performed would reduce potential revenue, and in the end, revenue is the name of the game. In addition, when most people are seated and listening to a band performing in a listening venue, in my experience, they prefer not to have to have their view blocked by dancers, even "romantic" dancers.
#34
SE Queensland, Australia
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Joined Oct 2007
Originally posted by BostonSusie
Stop being Snarky about who is and is not trained or educated in, or aware of "Ballroom Etiquette". I am well aware of the rules of the road on a large "formal" dance floor- You guys don't get it! My request was not to change the Ballroom, but to simply open up more venues on Cunard for slower, romantic, or older couples, one of the latter I sadly have become. Having sailed over 15 times on various cruises and ships the thread about "sticky" floors and clumsy waiters is a bunch of malarky! And for what it's worth, both Canadian and American schools generally offer Ballroom dancing as part of their Phys Ed programs, or as an alternative, there are lots of private dancing schools for teens and pre-teens. So save the outmoded jingoistic remarks for reality-based situations! Just someone, please, pass the word to Cunard that a little space in the lounges for a slow two-step foxtrot would be appreciated..That's all I wanted to bring forward for discussion.
And well said also. I have always noticed how well attended the Cunard Balls are - I can appreciate that for some/many they may well be too well attended. I have also noticed that ballroom dancing often brings out the "showoffs"
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#35
Vale of Glamorgan
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Joined Aug 2007
I like to watch the dancers in the Queens Room, I don't understand why people who have gone to the trouble of learning to dance are being described as "showing off".
We sometimes take to the floor on one of the party nights and I have even been known to dance in the Golden Lion after a few drinks !
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#36
Boston, MA
447 Posts
Joined Mar 2009
Originally posted by BobBranst
OK, let's just be practical about this. The bean counters at Cunard/Carnival are highly unlikely to let 100 sq. feet of existing revenue producing space be replaced with a wood floor for more dance floor space. ......Removing and replacing tables in any of the lounges where live music is performed would reduce potential revenue, and in the end, revenue is the name of the game.
You're right. Many dancers don't drink while dancing. Most land-based cocktail lounges and restaurants don't have small wooden dance floors. A dance floor takes up space that could go to tables. Cunard knows this. They took the wooden dance floor out of the Golden Lion and small floor out of the Winter Garden.

The Queens Room is a draw for many on the QM2. That why we sail on Cunard. But we consume less alcohol when we know we'll be dancing the night away. At home we sometimes drink a whole bottle of wine with dinner. And maybe an after-dinner drink. But not on the Queen.

My suggestion to the OP is still the same, dance on the carpet. There no rule that says dancing can only be done on wood. And if enough people do it, maybe they'll put the floor back. But don't count on it.

BostonSusie - Are you local? Of so, let's get together and the 4 of us go out dancing some night.
#37
SE Queensland, Australia
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Joined Oct 2007
Originally posted by Host Hattie
I like to watch the dancers in the Queens Room, I don't understand why people who have gone to the trouble of learning to dance are being described as "showing off".
We sometimes take to the floor on one of the party nights and I have even been known to dance in the Golden Lion after a few drinks !
I did not say that all ballroom dancers were showoffs - but they do exist. Of course, it depends on your definition - mine is those whose dancing does not suit the conditions.!!! a small crowded dance floor on a rolling vessel is not the place to "show off' dancing prowess!!!
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A review of our 28 day cruise to Tahiti on Pacific Pearl.... Pacific Pearl to Tahiti

Pics of our "3 Queens" cruise with Cunard--May/Jun 2012...Plane, Cunard and train to Germany

Pics of our 14 nights on Voyager of the Seas -- to NZ...On a BIG ship to NZ

A report of the inaugural cruise by Pacific Dawn to Papua New Guinea ports...Pacific Dawn to PNG

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#38
Kansas City
522 Posts
Joined Nov 2012
Originally posted by bazzaw
I did not say that all ballroom dancers were showoffs - but they do exist. Of course, it depends on your definition - mine is those whose dancing does not suit the conditions.!!! a small crowded dance floor on a rolling vessel is not the place to "show off' dancing prowess!!!
Over the years we have been dancing, I've observed many very fine dancers on the Queens Room dance floor on the QM2. I have no idea how you define "show off", but I can tell you from experience that it takes a good dancer with an excellent sense of balance to dance well on rolling seas. Lesser dancers will usually only try it once before retiring to their seats to watch the good dancers do their stuff. "Real" dancers know their limits. It's the once a year dancers that I worry about.
#39
berkshire
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Joined Aug 2009
Originally posted by Q-step
I think it's the best. If one thinks that dancing is romantic, the QM is for you. You just has to accept the idea that many other people think dancing on the ship is good idea and the two big dance venues get filled up with, dare I say it, dancers.

I read posts from people who compare Cunard to other ships and they complain the other ships keep the floors real sticky to be sure people don't fall. As a result, you can't dance on them. Or the dance floor is part of the bar/dining room where people or waiters walk through all the time. Not a good place to dance.

The OP wants a little dancing in the bars. Dance on the carpet. It's better than a sticky floor.
There's no rule that says dancing has to be done on wood. Dance wherever you can find space.

Correction to prior post:
My wife reminded me that it was the Golden Lion that had the small wooden dance floor, not the Chart Room.
The Chart Room ( QM2) did indeed have a small ( circular 'marble effect', not wooden) dance floor almost adjacent to the piano area. The former Winter Garden also had a small area ( adjacent to the white piano) both were suitable for 'basic dancing'. I've never known the Golden Lion pub ( QM2) to have a dance floor, although there is a wooden staging area which is often used for the musician.
#40
US
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Joined Nov 2009
Originally posted by BostonSusie
OK- since you ask! My daughter is studying for an advanced degree at Uni. Duesseldorf and my husbnd has a mother in Germany- For health reasons I cannot fly long distances-Soooo,if I want to visit Europe I sail or swim! From anyplace between Toronto and Miami the only option is Cunard out of Brooklyn NY. Because necessity forces me to sail QM 2, that does not mean my opinions and evaluations and observations are not valid and worth considering! Anyway- Holland America beat out Cunard in cruise ship ratings this year and I can well understand why! As H. A. sails to Europe from Florida I am unable to sail with them. Too bad for me!
How interesting. We just sailed HAL in what we thought would be a comparable category minus the special dining, but found it quite bad. We now toss all HAL brochures in the trash - though some love it, so I suppose to each their own. I believe Disney sails TA's out of Dover each year to NY as repos, and the other way also, though they are 11 days. Perhaps you could give them a try. Very cheerful line, it is hard to be Grumpy on board. I detest flying to Europe so we do Iceland air when we must. A shorter 4.5 hours to Reykjavik with a night over to enjoy Iceland, then 4.5 hours to Europe.
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