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#1
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We are shortly cruising on QE to the Canaries. Would a black or a white Tuxedo be more appropriate.
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Vale of Glamorgan
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My husband usually takes both !
If he's only taking one the formal nights are likely to be on the way down to the Canaries and the way back so Black might be more appropriate.
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#3
Overlooking the Straights of Dover
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I'm taking black, white, and red velvet on Q737. One of the formal nights is between Gran Canaria and Lisbon so in warmer waters, the other two are on the way out and way back. In any case the formal dress code isn't actually Black Tie, that would cause all sorts of aggravation if applied and strictly enforced.
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Magnolia, Texas
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White dinner jackets are appropriate for warm climates, usually summer in the Northern Hemisphere. If he has one of each he can clearly wear as appropriate, if he has only black, he will find a majority of gents will be wearing black. It would be more unusual to wear white in a cool climate or weather.
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#5
South Gloucs
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Isn't there some unwritten guideline that it is naff to wear white Dinner Jackets in the Northern Hemisphere between Labour Day (early September) and Memorial Day (late May) except in the Carribean.
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Vale of Glamorgan
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As we don't celebrate either Labour Day or Memorial Day it doesn't really apply.

I'm liking the idea of red velvet though.
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#7
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According to my "Gentleman's Guide to Etiquette"

"The white dinner jacket's origin on cruises and at tropical resorts speaks to its specific role as a less formal alternative to traditional black tie. It is only appropriate at formal occasions in the tropics year round and in America during the summer season, typically at open-air social gatherings such as country club dances and yacht club parties.

While summer in the southern United States qualifies as being at least subtropical, the same cannot be said for the more temperate northern states and Canada. It is for this reason that numerous experts advise using discretion north of the Mason-Dixon line in order to avoid dressing for effect rather than for the occasion. Indeed, black-tie guests north of the 49th parallel would be wise to heed the example of their British cousins who do not consider the United Kingdom's temperate climate to be appropriate for white formal wear at any time of the year (with the notable exception of Last Night of the Proms).

And if a man is particularly serious about formal convention, a white jacket should never be worn “unless one has a napkin over his arm or a saxophone up to his lips” as Esquire once put it.

Don't forget that the white jacket is an alternative, not a directive. The black jacket is perfectly acceptable in any season and any locale and actually trumps the formality of the white version"

Or as PG Wodehouse wrote [about the white jacket]
Jeeves: I assumed it had got into your wardrobe by mistake, sir, or else that it has been placed there by your enemies.
Bertie Wooster: I will have you know, Jeeves, that I bought this in Cannes!
Jeeves: And wore it, sir?
Bertie Wooster: Every night at the Casino. Beautiful women used to try and catch my eye!
Jeeves: Presumably they thought you were a waiter, sir.
#8
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Joined Mar 2012
Easy.

British ship (well Bermudian/American) from the UK. British rules apply

The British convention for evening dress whilst at sea is black d/j north of Gibraltar and white south of it. Same thing with officers Rig of the Day. On Med cruises when the corner (Gib) is turned, it's whites.

So for a Canary Island cruise, you should pack both a black and white d/j.
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#9
Honiton, Devon, England
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I'm currently mulling a black velvet tux to add with my black standard tux for an up and coming QM2 cruise this month. I also think a red or blue velvet tux can also look smart. I would happily wear a white tux past NY to the Caribbean but unfortunately white doesn't suit me while on others it can look stunning.
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South Gloucs
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Originally posted by kohl57
Easy.

British ship (well Bermudian/American) from the UK. British rules apply

The British convention for evening dress whilst at sea is black d/j north of Gibraltar and white south of it. Same thing with officers Rig of the Day. On Med cruises when the corner (Gib) is turned, it's whites.

So for a Canary Island cruise, you should pack both a black and white d/j.
Perhaps that is the answer - only wear white when the officers do.

I wonder how the officers view passengers wearing white around Iceland?
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#11
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When I was serving aboard RMS ST HELENA in 1990, we were still in southern "whites" (shorts and kneesocks, too) whilst calling at Tristan da Cunha in the furthest reaches of the South Atlantic and it... was sleeting at one point during the day!
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Magnolia, Texas
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I think, this subject has been well covered, as it were. Red and Black Velvet, I think we're getting into smoking jackets here. one question will you wear a Fez with it?
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#13
Valley of the Sun, Arizona
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Originally posted by Host Hattie
As we don't celebrate either Labour Day or Memorial Day it doesn't really apply.

I'm liking the idea of red velvet though.
Hattie, at one point (in the early '70s) I had a burgundy velvet Tux. Worn with a burgundy velvet bat tie, a pink ruffled shirt, and two tone cream patent leather/burgundy suede shoes I was quite the fashion statement. Add the period correct afro hair do and I am forever grateful that I never wore this rig on QE2! And am also profoundly grateful that photographic evidence of the spectacle has been somehow lost over the years.....
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Vale of Glamorgan
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That sounds wonderful, are you sure there are no photographs ?
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#15
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Originally posted by Host Hattie
As we don't celebrate either Labour Day or Memorial Day it doesn't really apply.

I'm liking the idea of red velvet though.
You do, you just call them "Spring Bank Holiday" and "Summer Bank Holiday (a week early at that). The US holiday names try to convey a hope that it's more than "a day off."
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#16
Honiton, Devon, England
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Originally posted by Bigmike911
I think, this subject has been well covered, as it were. Red and Black Velvet, I think we're getting into smoking jackets here. one question will you wear a Fez with it?
I was thinking of wearing a black velvet tux jacket in the lounges after dinner but without the fez
#17
Mississauga, Canada
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Joined Oct 2000
Originally posted by RJChatsworth
Perhaps that is the answer - only wear white when the officers do.

I wonder how the officers view passengers wearing white around Iceland?
In the days before a dress code was published in the ship's daily bulletin, the Union-Castle Line made it easy to determine the appropriateness of white or black DJs - and indeed as to which nights were traditionally formal or not. The "rig of the day" was published and it said: The captain and officers will be wearing navy mess dress or white mess dress or navy uniforms or white uniforms. My recollection of my three voyages on Union-Castle was that no gent wore a white DJ when officers were in navy and a black DJ was always acceptable even if the officers were in their white mess dress. (I have never had a white DJ.)
#18
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Joined Jul 2004
Originally posted by robbie_3
I was thinking of wearing a black velvet tux jacket in the lounges after dinner but without the fez

Why not? Fez's are Cool!

Aloha,

John
#19
Honiton, Devon, England
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Joined Aug 2015
Originally posted by jcl410
Why not? Fez's are Cool!

Aloha,

John
I hear you John, unfortunately it''s rather like white dj's I just couldn't carry it off
#20
New Hampshire
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Joined Oct 2005
Originally posted by eliana
We are shortly cruising on QE to the Canaries. Would a black or a white Tuxedo be more appropriate.
We wore black. It hides the food stains just a bit better! That being said, white does look really nice.