Which Tuxedo

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#21
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Originally posted by milamber
According to my "Gentleman's Guide to Etiquette"

"The white dinner jacket's origin on cruises and at tropical resorts speaks to its specific role as a less formal alternative to traditional black tie. It is only appropriate at formal occasions in the tropics year round and in America during the summer season, typically at open-air social gatherings such as country club dances and yacht club parties.

While summer in the southern United States qualifies as being at least subtropical, the same cannot be said for the more temperate northern states and Canada. It is for this reason that numerous experts advise using discretion north of the Mason-Dixon line in order to avoid dressing for effect rather than for the occasion. Indeed, black-tie guests north of the 49th parallel would be wise to heed the example of their British cousins who do not consider the United Kingdom's temperate climate to be appropriate for white formal wear at any time of the year (with the notable exception of Last Night of the Proms).

And if a man is particularly serious about formal convention, a white jacket should never be worn “unless one has a napkin over his arm or a saxophone up to his lips” as Esquire once put it.

Don't forget that the white jacket is an alternative, not a directive. The black jacket is perfectly acceptable in any season and any locale and actually trumps the formality of the white version"

Or as PG Wodehouse wrote [about the white jacket]
Jeeves: I assumed it had got into your wardrobe by mistake, sir, or else that it has been placed there by your enemies.
Bertie Wooster: I will have you know, Jeeves, that I bought this in Cannes!
Jeeves: And wore it, sir?
Bertie Wooster: Every night at the Casino. Beautiful women used to try and catch my eye!
Jeeves: Presumably they thought you were a waiter, sir.

damn....wheres the like button when you need it...
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#22
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I cannot believe the timing of this post. I was just trying to convince my husband tonight to add a white D/J to his repertoire, though he does mix it up a but with a few different bowtie designs. And - thankfully - no pre-tied ties for him, though I hear the occasional consternation coming from the area in front of the mirror when he ties it. When he has to squeeze into a strapless gown & stilettos, I'll care.
Alas, our next voyage is QE Alaska, so no white dinner jacket. I read him the paragraph above from the Gentleman's Etiquette..it ended like this -

ME: You will look like Humphrey Bogart in Casablanca. He wore a white Dinner Jacket - it looks so handsome!
HIM: Morocco is south of the Mason-Dixon line.
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#23
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If I was going to take one tuxedo I would take Black.

Once in awhile we do take both on cruises (on our sailing on QM2 I took just the black).

I do feel the same way as Keithm. I do get nervous though with the white dinner jacket of stains so I have never taken a white one only on a cruise.

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Howdy,

Black or dinner jacket white or any color is a personal choice. Kind of like Church you do not wear things to get noticed..or do youall?

FYI:

The Tuxedo is an american invented suit.

Tuxedo and Tuxedo Park , New York.
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#27
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I had mine tailored in Singapore. It is made from blue silk with a gold Chinese pattern woven into with black silk lapels. I shall be wearing it next year on Queen Victoria as well as this year on a variety of other cruises. I can't wait to see the faces of the great and good who think everything should follow the rules!!

Peter
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#28
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Originally posted by Zombatar
I had mine tailored in Singapore. It is made from blue silk with a gold Chinese pattern woven into with black silk lapels. I shall be wearing it next year on Queen Victoria as well as this year on a variety of other cruises. I can't wait to see the faces of the great and good who think everything should follow the rules!!

Peter
That must be really stunning, hope to see your jacket on a future cruise.
#29
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Joined Dec 2013
Originally posted by Zombatar
I had mine tailored in Singapore. It is made from blue silk with a gold Chinese pattern woven into with black silk lapels. I shall be wearing it next year on Queen Victoria as well as this year on a variety of other cruises. I can't wait to see the faces of the great and good who think everything should follow the rules!!

Peter
We want pictures. Preferably with a drink in hand.
#30
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OK everybody I shall be on Silver Wind in three weeks. Trust me there will be pictures and most definitely drinks in hand . If the thread is still here, trust me I will post them!!

Peter
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