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#61
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Originally posted by 1 HappyCruiser
Although I personally wouldn't mind an all non smoking ship, Princess has to stay in business somehow & the restrictions that are in place now are probably going to be sufficient for most people. Just stay clear of the smoking areas & the casino and you'll be fine. The biggest problem in the past was the balcony problem & that has been solved.
I agree. This is what I saw from my balcony on my cruise last January. During the day and evening, there were 2-4 people chain-smoking on each of the balconies with ash trays. My balcony was essentially unusable due to my getting sick from smoke, and yes, it definitely carried to my balcony and wasn't "blown away" by the wind. I had a covered balcony on Baja and the smoke got under the cover (Aloha balcony) and stayed on mine. If I opened my balcony door, it got inside. I can live with a few smoking areas on the ship because I can avoid them.

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Originally posted by Pam in CA
I agree. This is what I saw from my balcony on my cruise last January. During the day and evening, there were 2-4 people chain-smoking on each of the balconies with ash trays. My balcony was essentially unusable due to my getting sick from smoke, and yes, it definitely carried to my balcony and wasn't "blown away" by the wind. I had a covered balcony on Baja and the smoke got under the cover (Aloha balcony) and stayed on mine. If I opened my balcony door, it got inside. I can live with a few smoking areas on the ship because I can avoid them.
Pam is right. This is exactly what we experienced on our last two Princess cruises. In both cases we followed advice from these boards to get the furthest forward cabin possible and in both cases we did, a Dolphin deck mini. In both cases we had chain smokers in the next cabin, a cabin further aft. This didn't matter. Smoke still invaded our balcony and came into the cabin, in the first case through the vents as well as when we opened the balcony door. So why did we do this twice? Well, considering there wouldn't be anyone forward of us the second time (that cabin is family suite and they lock the balcony on sea days) and considering that only 20% of the people smoke and most are not chain smokers, we thought the odds were in our favor. We are cruising again in a few days and if our balcony is not usable due to lack of enforcement, this will probably be our last Princess cruise for a while.
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Originally posted by Pam in CA
I agree. This is what I saw from my balcony on my cruise last January. During the day and evening, there were 2-4 people chain-smoking on each of the balconies with ash trays. My balcony was essentially unusable due to my getting sick from smoke, and yes, it definitely carried to my balcony and wasn't "blown away" by the wind. I had a covered balcony on Baja and the smoke got under the cover (Aloha balcony) and stayed on mine. If I opened my balcony door, it got inside. I can live with a few smoking areas on the ship because I can avoid them.

On our last trip in Nov the situation was better than normal for a balcony but had we known about the rule change upcoming in Jan we never would have booked it & just waited. I'm really anticipating a big improvement in April although a little apprehensive about all the bad reports I read about smoke from the promenade deck rising upward. Had we known about the possible post side smoking problem we would have booked starboard.
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We are new to Princess. We have sailed a lot on RCCL and X. We are considering a TA in December. My DW is very adamant against smoking and it would ruin her cruise if the cabin smelled smokey or there was someone nearby on a balcony smoking. I have read that Princess has a new policy that just went into effect in January. Should I be concerned?
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#65
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Just off the Grand. Had no problems with smokers. Did not witness any violations. Only a couple of areas allow smoking. One is the Casino the other is one side of Lido deck 14 just outside the Horizon Court. The Casino designates one night "non smoking" but the smell of smoke is still strong. Have an enjoyable cruise.
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Check where the smoking areas are and try for a cabin away from them. Since people can't smoke in cabins or on balconies, they will go to the other places where smoking is permitted.
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Just off 4 weeks on Princess (2 on crown and then 2 on Grand). I am a smoker and smoking was allowed on the Crown, but not on the Grand, so I've experienced the no smoking policy changes.

First off I don't think the cabin stewards are going to be reporting any smokers, as I don't think they will do anything to jeopardize a possible extra tip. They are there for one reason and one reason only, and that is to make money. Our cabin steward, who I will not name, on the Grand when the new policy started, actually told me if I wanted to smoke to use the bathroom and he wouldn't tell. I didn't, but I wonder how many more cabin stewards offered the same option and how many took them up on it.

The smoking areas were far more crowded than usual and I don't see that changing any time soon. Unfortunately the washrooms on the Lido are on the port side right where the designated smoking area is and people were going by holding their noses. On island night the band was set up on the port side as well and all the activity took place on that side. All the tables in the smoking area were full, mostly with non smokers who were very displeased with the smokers. I didn't go into the casino so I can't comment on it. The promenade port side deck was much busier with smokers as well and walkers would go by and make comments. In the morning there were even people in robes down there having a smoke.

We didn't get much use of our balcony as a result of the no smoking policy. We likely would not have used it much anyway because of a young brat beside us that was always out there yelling at the top of her lungs every time she didn't get her way that she hated pretty much everything in the world. First day on the Grand my wife went out on the balcony barefoot and did the 'holy hell my feet are on fire' dance, as there is only bare metal on them now. I understand they are putting the outdoor turf, like around the pool areas in them, but also a factor in balcony use.

Usually when I did go out on the balcony, I found there weren't many people using their balcony, especially at night and on port days, but still went to seek out a smoking area. On the Grand there is a very nice smoking area behind the One 5 lounge, which I don't think too many people realized. I didn't find it until the second week on the Grand, but it was far nicer to sit there and didn't get the comments from non smokers.

I too will vote with my wallet, and will think long and hard before booking another Princess cruise. I just don't need the snide comments from non smokers, when I'm on vacation.

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#68
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Originally posted by seadeck2
I agree with Pam. I will turn anyone in who is smoking on balcony or room.
Princess needs to make the entire Promenade deck non smoking so those choosing to run or walk has fresh air to breathe in. A pool area all non smoking would be nice also. We are looking forward to enjoying our balcony on next cruises. Would love to meet Pam on a cruise. Hoping the pizza place on Lido deck will not be surrounded by smoker(ers).
Perhaps you need to read the new policy….. if you are STILL not happy with it, it really is very simple....do not cruise on Princess.

Before this new policy, I don’t understand why non-smokers who get so sick from smoke would consider booking a balcony on Princess. If you made a decision to risk the extra cost without the ability to enjoy your own balcony, you only have yourself to blame…..smokers on balconies were doing nothing wrong. They too had their right to enjoy their own balcony. Now with the new policy in effect, when smokers are using the designated areas, you have no right to complain…..they are getting what they paid for and expect out of Princess.
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As long as I can sit by the pool & on my balcony (which I now can on Princess) without being smoked out I'm satisfied. Any other smoking areas on the ship can be avoided by just walking quickly or taking another route.
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We have been on several Princess cruises. Adherence to the new policy will eliminate my biggest peeve: Balcony smoke.

Casinos are casinos. Non-smoking nights still have a stale smell, but that is expected.

There are smoking areas on the lido deck, usually on side of the ship but I can't remember which.

My wife and I don't like smoke, but overall it isn't an issue for us.

Take care and enjoy!
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Thanks for the replies. Must be pretty comparable to X. We all expect smoke in the casinos and we know that those that smoke need to have a place. I just don't want it on the balcony next door!!!
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#72
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Originally posted by bbum

First off I don't think the cabin stewards are going to be reporting any smokers, as I don't think they will do anything to jeopardize a possible extra tip. They are there for one reason and one reason only, and that is to make money. Our cabin steward, who I will not name, on the Grand when the new policy started, actually told me if I wanted to smoke to use the bathroom and he wouldn't tell. I didn't, but I wonder how many more cabin stewards offered the same option and how many took them up on it.



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It would prove interesting to know how may people actually complain about the smokey cabins especially in his section. You can hide it from a smoker but not so much from a non smoker who is now especially keen to walking into a cabin smelling fresh unlike past cruises where it's been covered up by a strong cleaning solution smell. I'm also sure he'd be doing a lot explaining to his superiors about why his cabins always need the extra cleaning.
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As an ex-smoker, I'm highly in favor of the policy. It's very unfortunate that people can't be adult enough to follow the rules they are given when they get on board a Princess ship and still will smoke on their balconies (or in their rooms). It's also highly unfortunate that I might have to babysit them. But for my comfort and safety, you betcha I'd be calling Guest Services - repeatedly if the issue continued.
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I was on the Emerald for a few cruises before the smoking change and the two cruises since it. Here's what I've noticed:

I've not smelled ANY smoke in the hallway outside of our cabin (an inside cabin) since the change, whereas I frequently smelled it before.

The casino, except on non-smoking nights, is smoky beyond belief. I can't even enter it. Unfortunately, passengers attending the 8:30pm Princess Theater shows and entering from Deck 6 are lined up through the casino on both sides every night, waiting for the 7:15pm show to end and the theater to empty.

The port side promenade is quite smoky, but not as bad as the casino.

The port side tables and chairs by the Neptunes Reef and Calypso pools are pretty smoky, but not as bad as the casino.

The Terrace Deck port side is no worse than it was before the 1/17 cruise. Thank God. That was my own biggest concern.

I would say that, on whole, it's a huge step in the right direction.
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If a cabin steward were to look the other way when confronting smoking in the cabin, he would have to explain to his superiors why the next cruisers occupying the cabin are complaining about the tobacco smell.
If I were to walk in and smell the smoke, I would insist on a deep clean. The previous occupants would probably be billed.

The steward gets his tips from a pool whether you stiff him or not. If you are a smoker that would stiff him if he reminded you of the rules, then that doesn't say much for you.

There was plenty of advance notice to the new smoking rules.
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Originally posted by PescadoAmarillo
I was on the Emerald for a few cruises before the smoking change and the two cruises since it. Here's what I've noticed:

I've not smelled ANY smoke in the hallway outside of our cabin (an inside cabin) since the change, whereas I frequently smelled it before.

The casino, except on non-smoking nights, is smoky beyond belief. I can't even enter it. Unfortunately, passengers attending the 8:30pm Princess Theater shows and entering from Deck 6 are lined up through the casino on both sides every night, waiting for the 7:15pm show to end and the theater to empty.

The port side promenade is quite smoky, but not as bad as the casino.

The port side tables and chairs by the Neptunes Reef and Calypso pools are pretty smoky, but not as bad as the casino.

The Terrace Deck port side is no worse than it was before the 1/17 cruise. Thank God. That was my own biggest concern.

I would say that, on whole, it's a huge step in the right direction.
That's pretty much as I expected it to be. The one or two bad posts I did read were only about the port hallway on the Lido deck & a cabin directly over the promenade deck near the elevator.
Did you notice any smoke in the show lounge. That was a problem in the past from smoke filtering in the doorway entering on deck six. Depending on wind conditions it was sucked in through the hallway and could be smelled in the lower section.
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Originally posted by Mom33
If a cabin steward were to look the other way when confronting smoking in the cabin, he would have to explain to his superiors why the next cruisers occupying the cabin are complaining about the tobacco smell.
If I were to walk in and smell the smoke, I would insist on a deep clean. The previous occupants would probably be billed.

The steward gets his tips from a pool whether you stiff him or not. If you are a smoker that would stiff him if he reminded you of the rules, then that doesn't say much for you.

There was plenty of advance notice to the new smoking rules.
I don't know if the Princess expects cabin stewards to report smoking in the cabin or not. I would not assume that they do expect that to be a stewards responsibility. Also there are others who check the cabins. The chief housekeeper for example to check that the stewards are doing their job.

One other thing. Once when I was on a bridge tour they showed me a board that was part of the fire detection system that they used to detect fires because they don't have the smoke detectors make an audible alarm in the cabins. Instead they have the alarms on the bridge. Some of the lights on the board were lit up and they claimed that those were detecting smoke from smokers in those cabins but that if the system detected higher temperatures the sprinkler system would go off. So they might be able to detect smoking without anyone reporting it.
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I'm looking forward to a smoke-free balcony. Our last cruise wasn't unbearable, we just got alot of used butts that landed on our balcony....thankfully nothing landed on us.

As for the casino, now I just have one more excuse to stay out of it and keep my money for other activities.
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I used to think about getting a balconcy cabin as a $1,000 gamble. I would be gambling $1,000 that I could enjoy the use of my balcony. Now, with my upcoming British Isles cruise this summer, that is my guaranteed smoke free place of relaxation. If this impacts too many other areas on the ship, we'll consider booking more on Celebrity. As it is, our 2013 cruise is on the Allure of the Seas and and I am back to hoping that we can enjoy our balcony with the smell of the ocean rather than the stench of cigarette smoke.
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Originally posted by Charles4515
I don't know if the Princess expects cabin stewards to report smoking in the cabin or not. I would not assume that they do expect that to be a stewards responsibility. Also there are others who check the cabins. The chief housekeeper for example to check that the stewards are doing their job.

One other thing. Once when I was on a bridge tour they showed me a board that was part of the fire detection system that they used to detect fires because they don't have the smoke detectors make an audible alarm in the cabins. Instead they have the alarms on the bridge. Some of the lights on the board were lit up and they claimed that those were detecting smoke from smokers in those cabins but that if the system detected higher temperatures the sprinkler system would go off. So they might be able to detect smoking without anyone reporting it.
I can attest to that being very true. We had lunch with one of the engineers one afternoon & he was explaining that they even get silent alarms from people smoking cigars on the balconies that they have to respond to in order to check it out. Of course that was prior to 1/15/12 and now I suppose it's even more critical to check since there are very few people smoking on balconies any longer.