thermal passes? are they included with all haven suites?

we have a rear corner with separate master and it was pricy. wondering if the thermal day passes are included?

No, only with rooms that are specifically referred to as Spa Suites.

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we have a rear corner with separate master and it was pricy. wondering if the thermal day passes are included?

No, they are not. Except for spa haven suites. We were in the DOS on Epic last year and got them and we wished we had not. It was not as we had hoped. I think we are the exception, not the rule though, as most rave about the spa.

We found the spa very loud and very crowded. Very un-spa like. I think of a spa as a relaxing place. This was not. With many, many attemps I only got a tile lounger twice and once was a port day when I stayed on the ship.

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Sorry dup