JUST OFF VICTORY- Almost had to call security!!!!

We just sailed on Victory last week. Although we had a fabulous time and usually don't let too many things bother us, we did have a major problem with the behavior of quite a few bachelor parties. We were traveling with my four children. One of which is a seventeen year old girl. I am used to young teens "checking her out" but I was not prepared for the ogling of twenty to thirty something year olds . It was quite disturbing. One of the more out of control parties happened to be on our floor a few doors down. They blasted music on their iPod in that they left in the hallway all day. They had a very offensive sign on their door which involved an unwrapped item used for birth control with a very lude saying next to it. I also saw them harassing young women in the casino area and were very out of control. I could not believe that security didn't handle this situation sooner. Someone must have complained because the sign was removed a day later but another offensive sign was put up in its place. I have sailed on Carnival many times but have never felt that unsure of my safety and that of others. And I am definitely not a party pooper and understand that bachelor parties and bachelorette parties get loud and obnoxious, but these definitely crossed the line IMO.

Sounds unpleasant but I didn't read any reason you felt unsafe I guess I'm not getting that part.

Most people do as you did, just shake his/her head and "tsk, tsk" the unacceptable behavior. Although I guess it was just offensive and disturbing behavior that was acceptable to you. If it is really unacceptable to you, consider calling security. They can't stop it if they don't know about it. They may not consider it a problem if only one person complains. Silence equals acceptance, and no need for the perpetrators to alter their behavior.

Sounds unpleasant but I didn't read any reason you felt unsafe I guess I'm not getting that part.

I believe the OP felt that maybe something might happen to her 17 year old daughter these guys were ogling.

Sharon

I feel bad for the poor girl who is marrying one of those punks!:eek:

So sorry to hear about your experience. Our kids are still little but, I can imagine how uncomfortable and worrisome that would make you. I am glad to, from what it sounds like, your daughter is safe and sound. Occasionally, you hear stories about unruly people taking advantage of being at sea to commit crimes. I am thankful you were not a victim of that.

We saw some of the worst behavior on our 4 night on the Victory out of Miami, luckily we did not have our teens with, but we kept saying, what if they were? We would not have left them out of our sight or let them hang with the teens on board. This is the only time we have seen this behavior on a cruise. That being said, after reading many reviews I am convinced that is kind of what you get on these shorter weekend trips out of Florida, a lot of bachelor/ette parties and girls and guys weekends, a lot of booze cruisers. From now on we choose week long more family cruises to avoid. Sorry to hear about your experience.

I can't believe there are a bunch of drunken partiers on Carnival. It's a family cruise line :rolleyes:

I don't think that it should be necessary to call security. You would think that with signs on the door and an I-pod in the hallway, at least one senior housekeeping person should come across the situation a few times a day... and put an end to it.

In the casino, if there's any harassment going on, the Cruise Host should be all over that.

As far as the ogling goes....unfortunately sometimes you do have to alert security to other pax behavior. The security staff are focusing on the bigger picture and monitoring club entrances, etc. I assure you, if anything other than a glance was cast towards any 17 y.o. of mine (or if I saw it towards another teen for that matter), I would have contacted security. The looks, I'm afraid, are unavoidable and unenforceable.

I don't mind loud and obnoxious...well I do, but I figure it's none of my business, but when you cross into invading someone's personal space or interfering with another's privacy (i.e. noise invading your cabin), then it's time for Carnival to step in. If it's a bunch of hoopla in a common area, then I would just move on if it were bothering me.

I guess there were many reasons I felt unsafe. For one, I feared my daughter would be a victim of something unwarranted. For another thing I was really nervous my husband would say something to one of these guys and get into it. I was also worried that they would find out that we complained and do something to us. This was a 4 day cruise.we had been on a 5 day cruise out of Jacksonville and didnt experience anything even remotely close to that. But I definitely would think twice before doing that one again.

I guess there were many reasons I felt unsafe. For one, I feared my daughter would be a victim of something unwarranted. For another thing I was really nervous my husband would say something to one of these guys and get into it. I was also worried that they would find out that we complained and do something to us. This was a 4 day cruise.we had been on a 5 day cruise out of Jacksonville and didnt experience anything even remotely close to that. But I definitely would think twice before doing that one again.

Always trust your gut. Too many people wait for a brick wall to fall on them before they react. It's the best way to stay safe.

I guess there were many reasons I felt unsafe. For one, I feared my daughter would be a victim of something unwarranted. For another thing I was really nervous my husband would say something to one of these guys and get into it. I was also worried that they would find out that we complained and do something to us. This was a 4 day cruise.we had been on a 5 day cruise out of Jacksonville and didnt experience anything even remotely close to that. But I definitely would think twice before doing that one again.

All understandable. You must, however, remember it was the passenger mix that happened to be on your cruise. It makes no difference which ship. I myself had a slight scare/feeling of uneasiness with a group of young men. I think they were looking for anyone who'd enter their cabin. (at least that's how I felt based on their comments). A young girl might interpret things differently because they have had no experience in life yet, and don't yet see consequence.

Thanks for the report!

IF something is happening on the ship that upsets you this much you should have called security or at least passenger services to tell them about it!

The housekeeping staff is there to clean and they won't report passengers for bad behavior unless they themselves feel threatened in some way.

The ship cannot do anything about a problem that is not reported!!

No one would have mentioned your name as the reporting person. I think it is very important for folks to remember that staying silent can lead to all sorts of worse problems!!!

Sorry too hear of your adventure. Seems that the 3 and 4 day cruises are of this nature. Full of partiers.

Sounds unpleasant but I didn't read any reason you felt unsafe I guess I'm not getting that part.

You do not have a 17 yo daughter!

The more I think about this , the more upset I get that it was not reported! I guess it makes me worry that people will continue to get away with this sort of behavior unless we all report it.

I suppose I should stop thinking about it now!

Most people do as you did, just shake his/her head and "tsk, tsk" the unacceptable behavior. Although I guess it was just offensive and disturbing behavior that was acceptable to you. If it is really unacceptable to you, consider calling security. They can't stop it if they don't know about it. They may not consider it a problem if only one person complains. Silence equals acceptance, and no need for the perpetrators to alter their behavior.

Perfectly said.

I think I would have become the owner or at least temporary owner of a new IPOD with a note saying they could pick it up from me later after I had my peace & quiet lol.

If certain behavior is unacceptable, one must speak up. If not, that means it's okay, no one knows there's a problem and the situation continues.

Had there been rude comments to my daughter, they would have dealt with Mama Bear here...but looking at her....well, they don't know how old she is. perhaps a gentle statement like "jail bait for you or me, your choice?" might suffice.

Glad the rest of your cruise was great.

I personally have only had to call on problems on a cruise (regarding other passengers) twice. One was parents leaving their kids unattended and they were completely unruly. I wasn't the only complaint and the parents who brought their kid in diapers to the pool. Yes, if you come in the pool with a child in diapers, I'll inform staff. I don't want mine and my kids pool time ruined because you don't want to follow rules. :cool:

So, out of 13 cruises, I think it's not bad.

I guess there were many reasons I felt unsafe. For one, I feared my daughter would be a victim of something unwarranted. For another thing I was really nervous my husband would say something to one of these guys and get into it. I was also worried that they would find out that we complained and do something to us. This was a 4 day cruise.we had been on a 5 day cruise out of Jacksonville and didnt experience anything even remotely close to that. But I definitely would think twice before doing that one again.

A good friend of mine says only sail Carnival on at least a seven-day and only when football season on.

Mileage may vary.

You do not have a 17 yo daughter!

Actually I have had one twice. After the OP's explanation it made more sense, but I also know both of my daughters and trust me, neither of them would have remained silent if they felt the least bit uncomfortable.

Most cabin stewards are not familiar with colloquial English and would not be likely to pick up any lewd written references. Should the British crew call out any guest who references a fanny pack?

Sounds unpleasant but I didn't read any reason you felt unsafe I guess I'm not getting that part.

She has a 17 year old daughter and older drunken men making eyes at her. Whats not to get?

She has a 17 year old daughter and older drunken men making eyes at her. Whats not to get?

I think I explained it in a previous post, however I wouldn't feel unsafe, and I really don't think either of my daughters would have either. Annoyed absolutely but then they would have just walked away, or knowing my youngest put them in their place. I remember a time when I was actually a little younger than the teenager talked about in this thread. My best friend and I were taking the El into Chicago from the western suburbs when a gross man decided he were going to expose himself to us. My friend didn't miss a beat, and said "Sir, put that silly toy away." and we just got up and moved from the seats we were in (he was sitting behind us and decided to put his "toy" on the side of the seat next to the wall and "wiggle" it in our direction. My point is my daughters were raised similar. Get up and walk away, but when leaving tell them to stop if necessary. Of course they would also know not to go anywhere on the ship alone, or at least NOT in secluded spots, even if there weren't drunk guys being obnoxious. Plus, being on a cruise with family, daddy would be nearby. No one messes with a 225lb+ guy, especially if he thinks someone is messing with his daughters.

Sounds like the future bride has hooked a real gem. He sounds like he is nowhere near mentally ready for marriage.

I am not a prude and was quite the wild dog in my day but I just don't get the whole bachelor / bachelorette party thing. If you don't have it out of your system that close to your wedding day when will you.

Sometimes I think it is more for the friends of the groom or bride than the bride or groom. They feel like they are losing a close friend so they want to blow it out one last time.

As stated earlier I just don't get it.

Sounds like the future bride has hooked a real gem. He sounds like he is nowhere near mentally ready for marriage.

 

I am not a prude and was quite the wild dog in my day but I just don't get the whole bachelor / bachelorette party thing. If you don't have it out of your system that close to your wedding day when will you.

 

Sometimes I think it is more for the friends of the groom or bride than the bride or groom. They feel like they are losing a close friend so they want to blow it out one last time.

 

As stated earlier I just don't get it.

Oh I think you're completely correct with regards why they tend to be on the wild side.

I think I explained it in a previous post, however I wouldn't feel unsafe, and I really don't think either of my daughters would have either. Annoyed absolutely but then they would have just walked away, or knowing my youngest put them in their place. I remember a time when I was actually a little younger than the teenager talked about in this thread. My best friend and I were taking the El into Chicago from the western suburbs when a gross man decided he were going to expose himself to us. My friend didn't miss a beat, and said "Sir, put that silly toy away." and we just got up and moved from the seats we were in (he was sitting behind us and decided to put his "toy" on the side of the seat next to the wall and "wiggle" it in our direction. My point is my daughters were raised similar. Get up and walk away, but when leaving tell them to stop if necessary. Of course they would also know not to go anywhere on the ship alone, or at least NOT in secluded spots, even if there weren't drunk guys being obnoxious. Plus, being on a cruise with family, daddy would be nearby. No one messes with a 225lb+ guy, especially if he thinks someone is messing with his daughters.

Believe me , we have no problem protecting our children.I just didn't want to have my husband have to get into it with 20 guys. He did have to a bit in the casino when they started harassing our friends 30 year old girls. I also told them if they didn't leave them alone I would call security. And they didleave them alone after that. It was just very unpleasant passing their open door stateroom 15 hours a day with music blasting and drunken men for 5 days. And as for my daughter telling them where to stick it- she is a very beautiful, tall blonde who is very young in many ways and didn't even realize how they were looking at her. I guess that's where my momma bear instincts kicked in. Plus she doesn't have nearly enough experience dealing with older men to even know how to begin to handle herself.