Posted February 22nd, 2018, 02:30 PM
Unless you are buying my ticket, or own the ship, you can dispense with the bossiness.
I agree. I don’t understand how some come off like this?
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Unless you are buying my ticket, or own the ship, you can dispense with the bossiness.
Ultimate Dining Package. Lets you dine in specialty all week for one price. For ours it is $168. Much cheaper than the difference to switch to a suite or an expensive line. We don't do it because we are fine with the included options, but if better service and better food is the main gripe (not sure it is), then that might be a great way to get at least closer to what you were missing.Royal Caribbean should be sued for calling it the Ultimate Dinning Package. I am a foodie and the food and service of the specialty restaurants falls much short of being called the UDP.
Royal Caribbean should be sued for calling it the Ultimate Dinning Package. I am a foodie and the food and service of the specialty restaurants falls much short of being called the UDP.Well luckily for Royal, most people are more easily impressed. 😉
A dear friend of ours just went on a two week Viking Ocean cruise to experience what they had to offer....much smaller ship, 900 or so passengers. It did a very nice Southern Caribbean itinerary going into the Panama Canal (not all the way through). The food she did admit was marvelous. No menu was repeated over the two week timespan. They managed to cater to her food desires, which is for NOT very spicey or exotic food, yet not just hamburgers or chicken cutlets either. So she was happy. Soft evening entertainment is how she described it (but she did say, that me and my DH would probably have been bored in the evenings), interesting lectures during the at sea days and lots of leisure time.This is pretty much all true. The Viking Star was a gorgeous ship dripping with class and elegance. The food was absurdly good, and the best part about it is that you don't pay extra for really anything. All of the restaurants, etc. are all included in the one price you way (which is significantly more then Royal). But the service will leave you wanting for nothing.
After chatting with her.....I can say, it will be a few years until we venture on that kind of cruise. We are in our mid 60's, but we want and like the 'high energy nighttime' of Royal.
I have never cruised RCL. Carnival the pizza was okay. NCL Gem East Coast the pizza was horrible. I am curious to find out when I sail in May on the NCL Epic with Italy stops, what the ship pizza will taste like.
Ok, so comparing a 350sf/70sf PH on Oceania to a 370sf GS on Harmony is not good enough for you? I sense your head is firmly stuck in the sand and absolutely refusing to look at this objectively.I tend to agree. Viking Star was as all inclusive as you can get. While expensive, you had to only pay for drinks. All restaurants were included, even the Chef's Table. Internet was included. I mean, pretty much everything. Even your refrigerator was stocked with beer, small bottles of wine, soft drinks, and bottled water which were restocked daily and included in the cost of your suite. I remember doing some comparisons of that vs getting a suite that was the equivalent of a balcony suite on the Viking Star on a I believe it was an NCL ship, and once you added up all of the additional costs for everything. The Star ended up being a far better value once you factored all of those in as well. Even so, on the Viking Star which was a cruise of the Baltic Sea, dress was business casual in the main dining room unless you had reservations to eat at the Chef's Table, or Manfredi's the Italian Restaurant which required a jacket and tie, a polo and slacks were just fine. Who wants to wear a tie all the time on vacation.
Let's look at a simple interior then, shall we?
Oceania per diem on my sailing = $240 per person. This is exactly the price I booked at.
Now remember, this is inclusive of everything including alcohol, gratuities, free internet throughout the cruise, specialty dining, room service, you name it
So here's Harmony per diem of the exact same random sailing I picked in 2019 = $131
Comparing apples to apples add the drink package ($60/day), the ultimate dining package ($168/7), gratuities ($14/day), and voom ($10 per day)...
now it's $241.
You're wrong Paulette. If you "want it all" the luxury lines are totally a better value. If you want to pay for and buy absolutely nothing extra, then yes RCL is cheaper in an interior. You get to pick and choose what you want to pay for.
I agree with you, we were on Harmony a year ago. She is beautiful, lots to do, crew was great....but the dinning. Which has been in issue lately on all the ships we have been on. We started cruising 7 yrs ago on Serenade. The dinning was wonderful. But since (even on Princess) the lack of dressing up for dinner has suffered. If you don't want to dress up, go to the buffet. And something can be done about it if the cruise line would put rules in place and follow them.Why should I have to go to the buffet to have a meal? I paid for MDR too. I'm neat and clean. So I don't have a tie on and a jacket. Big deal. Times change. We don't dress like the 1700's anymore either.
Royal Caribbean should be sued for calling it the Ultimate Dinning Package. I am a foodie and the food and service of the specialty restaurants falls much short of being called the UDP.Well, it's "ultimate" for Royal - LOL!
Evil shareholders... I know on a daily basis at my job I think, thank goodness I'm not making more money, just as long as I'm delivering something special.Yes the strange idea people have that a business is in business for any other reason than making money. I can't imagine even once thinking I will focus today's efforts in managing this business (not my own) to delivering something special rather than making money for the owners, and hopefully keeping myself and my colleagues in a job
I certainly don't go on a cruise to see what the pizza is like.Everyone cruises for their own reasons. What one person is interested in may not interest me at all but I never feel the need to attempt to invalidate anyone else's reasons and interests.
We've been cruising for 20 years and all but 3 times have been with RCCL. To say the least, we've been very loyal and introduced many of our friends to RCCL. We sailed on January 27th on Harmony of the Seas and due to health issues, this was our first cruise in 3 years. The ship was beautiful and clean, the crew was friendly and helpful but the whole dining experience was very disappointing. Over the years we've noticed changes, of course, but what a difference 3 years has made! Back in the "good old days" the dining was elegant, food was delicious and presentation impeccable. Gone are the days when we would have a drink on our table when we arrived and the bar waiter would pass our table frequently. At the end of the meal, we would have the opportunity to have the after-dinner-drink of the day and who could pass these up in the pretty little glasses? The food served was so delicious there was no need to pay extra for eating in a special place on board. In fact, as I recall, there were no separate restaurants. On formal nights there was either a pianist or string quartet, and other nights as well. Our last night on the Harmony, I swear my selection was a frozen dinner! And don't even get me started of the lack of dress code. Are we the only ones objecting to this and should we just move on to another cruise line for older and stuffier cruisers?Hi, Margarita Cruisequeen!
Why should I have to go to the buffet to have a meal? I paid for MDR too. I'm neat and clean. So I don't have a tie on and a jacket. Big deal. Times change. We don't dress like the 1700's anymore either.You don't want the people who do dress up to judge you, and yet you accuse them of being in the 1700's. Throughout this entire thread, those who wish to dress up are calling those who don't "lazy," and those who don't are calling those who do "stuffy." (With both using additional descriptive names.) Seriously? You're ALL saying you don't want to be judged for what you wear. Then, in the next sentence, you say something judgemental about those who do things differently than you do.
You don't want the people who do dress up to judge you, and yet you accuse them of being in the 1700's. Throughout this entire thread, those who wish to dress up are calling those who don't "lazy," and those who don't are calling those who do "stuffy." (With both using additional descriptive names.) Seriously? You're ALL saying you don't want to be judged for what you wear. Then, in the next sentence, you say something judgemental about those who do things differently than you do.
I totally agree about the dining changes. I loved the old traditional multi level dining rooms with with the beautiful chandeliers, and I especially loved dining on formal nights. Now I don’t bother bringingOasis, Freedom, Voyager, Radiance, and Vision class all have multiple levels in MDR. MJ is old and does not. Don't remember Empress and never sailed Quantum class.
formal wear. It’s just not the same.
It’s a shame RCCL followed the NCL dining concept. However, for some reason it seems to work for me on NCL.
Perhaps "lazy" was a poor choice of words. Probably "lack of class" would have been more appropriate.I'm just trying to imagine how one goes through life letting what others are wearing affect their ability to enjoy themselves. No backlash here, just a bit of pity.
If you received a wedding invitation, or any invitation and the instructions were to wear "formal attire," you would adhere to the request, out of respect, right? I sure would hope so.
A cruise is no different. Formal attire is instructed for MDR on formal night. That's the whole purpose of said formal night. Don't like it, go to the buffet.
I'm aware my statements will cause a backlash, but if you don't like formal nights, perhaps Carnival is more your cup of tea.